when Sheikh Isaxaaq died...

[Ugaas Diini]

[quote]the real name is Saciid Ismaaciil Sheikh Isaxaaq[/quote]

So Garxajis was a nickname too? Should it not be Siciid Garxajis ISaaq?

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

siciid ismaaciil sheekh isaxaaq


dauud ismaaciil sheekh isaxaaq

[Ugaas Diini]

So what are the other sons of Isaaq besides Ismaciil?

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

Garxajis (Ismaciil Isaaxaq) which consists of Siciid Ismaaciil Habar Yoonis, and Dauud Ismaaciil Eidagale.

Ayuub Isxaaq

Habar Awal (Awal Sheekh Isaxaq) which consists of Saad Muse, Issa Muuse.

Arab or (Ali Arab) Isaaq

Ayuub Isaaq

Habar Jeclo which are 4 Isaq clans. Muuse Isaaq the largest of the 4, Imran Isaaq and Ibrahim Isaaq, and Sanbuur Isaaq.

Ilma Habar Xabuusheed are known as Habar Jeclo which consist of Muuse, Ibrahim, Imran and Sanbuur

Ilma Habar Magaado consist of Garhajis, Habar Awal, Arab and Ayoub.

[X.Playa]

Waar dadkani Isaaq ba ma aha, even Gedo Boy a mareexaan have noticed Xdigta and biko's mistake.

Habar Yoonis or Bah-Abo Yoonis (Geri Koombe) is a maternal segmentations not a nick name you silly little kids. Care Siiciid Garxajis was the man who was married to the Geri Koombe (Aba-Yoonis) woman who he had his largest sections , Ismaaciil Care, Muuse Care and Dandaan Care. The rest are not from his Aba-Yoonis wife, Kool Care , Makaahiil Care and Isxaaq Care are not. Cali Siciid Garxajis is their uncle and the brother of Care Siciid and hence isn't among the sons of that Geri Koombe woman.

So the Mareexaan Kid was right, H.Y is a segementation that came 200 years after Sheekh Isxaaq.

Iam amazed Xidigta, and the rest didn't notice, iam not surprised by the Jabuutian fag biko he is a Jabutian and he is a Ciise wife and knows nothing of Isaaq history.

[musika man]

^^^^

biko is not isak.

[Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah]

waa ciise

[KUN-DILE]

"Bah-Abo Yoonis "

That was the original name I think. But it was also a divisive name and it divided the Carre+Celi Saciid family further down.

[biko]

ogaslabe.

[Samatr]

[quote="X.Playa"]Waar dadkani Isaaq ba ma aha, even Gedo Boy a mareexaan have noticed Xdigta and biko's mistake.

Habar Yoonis or Bah-Abo Yoonis (Geri Koombe) is a maternal segmentations not a nick name you silly little kids. Care Siiciid Garxajis was the man who was married to the Geri Koombe (Aba-Yoonis) woman who he had his largest sections , Ismaaciil Care, Muuse Care and Dandaan Care. The rest are not from his Aba-Yoonis wife, Kool Care , Makaahiil Care and Isxaaq Care are not. Cali Siciid Garxajis is their uncle and the brother of Care Siciid and hence isn't among the sons of that Geri Koombe woman.

So the Mareexaan Kid was right, H.Y is a segementation that came 200 years after Sheekh Isxaaq.

Iam amazed Xidigta, and the rest didn't notice, iam not surprised by the Jabuutian fag biko he is a Jabutian and he is a Ciise wife and knows nothing of Isaaq history.[/quote]

[Ashlee~]

Dandaan carre

[Ugaas Diini]

[quote]The rest are not from his Aba-Yoonis wife, Kool Care , Makaahiil Care and Isxaaq Care are not.[/quote]

But don't they all claim to be HabarYonis these days although technically they are not?

[Ben Dover]

[quote="Ashlee~"]Dandaan carre [/quote]

^^ Its Dandan you Dhandhan...

[Ashlee~]

^ in english its Crazy carey

[X.Playa]

Gedo Boy,

Of course not all Siciid Garxajis are H.Y , but since 80% of Siciid Garxajis are from the H.Y segment few people bother to differentiate between the 2.

Iam sure its the same for the Habar Gidir , not all Habar Gidir sections are from Gidiro but since the majority of Habar Gidir are from that maternal segment the rest of the minor section are refered to as simply Habar Gidir. Also if there was no other maternal segment in the Habar Gidir it will be pointless to group some in their maternal lineage, so there has to be other grouping.

In the old Somali the word 'Habar' had a different meaning then it has today, the word "habar" didn't mean "Islaan" as some people use it today in the north , it was more like the southern people use it today: meaning "Mother" and not old lady. You often hear kids in the south saying " Habartaa waxaa ku samee" as in mother and not as in old lady.

Later through the eveloution of language the word "bah" gradually replaced the old "habar" , but even in 'Bah' or 'baho" a distingshing must be made between the 'bah' in legitmate maternal grouping and the "baho" as the grouping of different unrealted maternal smal clans, the later was used by all somali clans in grouping small sections of a tribe for defense and 'dia' paying group.

For instance the the first H.Y suldaan Diiriye Sugule (1750-1810) grouped the unrealted small clans of the H.Y such as reer Abokor, Idareys and reer Rooble as "baho" Ismaaciil, to equal te others and share both "dia" and denfence.

Also the Ogaadeen poet Maxmed Cali Beenalay grouped his sub-clan along Saleebaan, Xandule , and Suubaan under "bah-habar Celi" .

The difference between Daarood and Isaaq is, in Isaaq the maternal segmentation of "habar' take place in the primary 8 sections of Isaaq or the 8 sons of Isaaq since sheekh Isxaaq had 3 wifes. As in Daarood it doesn't take place at the upper primary stage of the 8 Daarood sons since Daarood had all his sons from a single wife , so you don't see "habar" in Daarood in the 8 primary sons , but down the segmenations you would hear so many "habro' since some decendent of Daarood had many wifes.