Why do Somali's tend to cry so much when Arabs call them abd

[MaliPrince]

Guess the AA are your brothers according to this, the term Berber encompassed more than u think, 1740 negro laws http://genealogytrails.com/scar/negro_law.htm

The berbers of today are nothing like the berbers of the past. Just as modern day Egyptians are nothing like the Ancient Egyptians. Today's Berbers are the result of mixing between African males and European females. the DNA confirms it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_hi ... chromosome

The Berber mitochondrial pool is characterized by an overall high frequency of Western Eurasian haplogroups, a somehow lower frequency of sub-Saharan L lineages, and a significant (but differential) presence of North African haplogroups U6 and M1.

So while Berbers share the same paternal ancestry as Somalis, they're maternal ancestry is different. Their maternal ancestry is mostly European while ours is mostly African.

[MaliPrince]

Speak for yourself you Jareer/Bantu wannabe. Go make a Twitter post about "Black Lives Matter" and continue to identify yourself with these slave-descendants. Go ahead, you're suffering from an identity-crisis anyways.

This is what happens when a father plays no part in raising his son. The son turns out like Saxony. Identity-less, madhow-wannabe, and effeminate.

We are Somalis here. We don't have any tolerance for your jareer bullshit.

wallahi reading this niggas posts are so hilarious. he must be throwing a fit cause someone called him black today.

[MaliPrince]

Speak for yourself you Jareer/Bantu wannabe. Go make a Twitter post about "Black Lives Matter" and continue to identify yourself with these slave-descendants. Go ahead, you're suffering from an identity-crisis anyways.

This is what happens when a father plays no part in raising his son. The son turns out like Saxony. Identity-less, madhow-wannabe, and effeminate.

We are Somalis here. We don't have any tolerance for your jareer bullshit.

Your the one crying like a faggot about blacks on an Internet forum, why don't you go confront them in real life if you true,y have problems. Your North affican berber butt buddies are also slave descendant btw. I'm identity less because I know history . I'm the proud one, you have inferiority complex towards blacks if u didn't they wouldn't be on your mind this hard, why is it that you speak this much about them yet they don't even acknowledge you? Ask yourself why that dynamic exists. Stop muddying up the forum because some Jamaican fucked your sweetheart, go get counseling

co-sign. this clown keeps claiming the jareer did something to us because we don't share his hatred. obviously there is something he doesn't want to share with us.

[TheMailMan]

What the hell are you talking about? I already acknowledged that the Maasai are just as close to us as the Berbers, possibly even closer. But the Berbers (especially the Tuaregs) are far more closely related to Somalis/Oromos/Afars than a West African or a Zulu is, and this is a scientific fact. This proves my point that "Blackness" is bullshit.

That's all I was saying the entire time. Audhubilah. I'm emphasizing the great distance which exists between Horn Africans and West Africans and highlighting this important point. That we Somalis certainly don't fall under the same umbrella as Cameroonians or Liberians.

We Somalis don't even come under the same category as those people. And there's nothing wrong wit that, alhamdulilah. There's beauty in diversity.

[MaliPrince]

This is how I know you're retarded and unable to connect dots:

1. You're an inferiority-complex ridden Somali who insists on including himself in with Madhows. I personally have said numerous times on this forum that we Somalis are neither Madhow nor are we Arab. And I brought the DNA evidence proving my assertion. And I've emphasized that concept more times than you can count.

2. My problem is with identity-less Somalis such as yourself. Those who claim Arab, those who claim Madhow, those who turn Atheist, etc. THOSE are the ones I have a huge problem with. Pay attention to my posts and stop smoking the geytho. It's f-king with your mental faculties.

3. I've said on this forum numerous times that I resent Somalis who focus on Jareer-American issues while neglecting their own. And that the typical Jareer in America can't even locate Somalia on a map, yet for some reason we have identity-less Somalis holding up posters of "Black Lives Matter" while they reside in the U.K. and live off benefits. Somalis are dying every single day in our country yet we have self-hating Somalis ignoring this aspect and obsessing over what happened in Ferguson Missouri. Stop f-king focusing on what Jareers do in America. I couldn't give 2 shits what these people do. Dadkeeyga ma ahan.

4. You define yourself based on White-American slave laws created in the 1700's. If that's not cooning, I don't know what is.

5. You sound like a complete airhead. Accusing me of doing what I'm criticizing other Somalis of doing.

Either you were born stupid, or you have reading comprehension problems. Or both. But either way, you've proven yourself as a f-king stupid character.

Congratulations. You are now the 5th most retarded person I've spoken too all week. You're moving up in the rankings.

ok. i'm now 100% convinced you are some kid who gets beat up at school by madoow. nothing else can explain these juvenile posts. you shoulda stopped a few pages back. at least back then I had some respect for you. I thought you were just an old school Somali who was just proud to be himself. now you look like a petty child.

[TheMailMan]

I wanna ask you a question:

You claim that I "hate" Bantus and that I must have been bullied by some Madhows while growing up as a kid. That's completely not true, but let's just say it is.....Do you say the same thing to the Somalis who get angry at Arabs who incorrectly claim that, "Somalis are just dark-skinned Arabs and are the same as us." When a Somali gets enraged at the Arabs who claim this, do you say to him, "Oh you were just victimized by Arabs as a schoolkid, and that's why you hate them so much"

It's not hate. It's self-love. I love myself and my people. And I despise it when I hear Arabs claim that we're one of them. The same way I despise when West Africans or Southern Africans claiming that we are the same as them, that we fall under the same umbrella. Wallahi there are very real differences between Somalis and Zambians. Somalis and Liberians. We aren't the same as them genetically. We don't have a similar history. We don't have a similar culture. We don't even have a similar language.

So if a Somali rightfully gets enraged at an Arab misappropriating his heritage, why can't the Somali also be enraged at West Africans for doing the exact same thing?

What the hell happened to your pride?

What's with the double standards? Why can't you just say you're a Horn African Somali and leave it at that?

[Phinks]

Mailman

Why bother arguing with retards?

I've said it before and I'll say it again;

Somali's are black, we are African and we are muslim. But we are NOT "black" as defined in the western world (jareer, Bantu, madow etc)

We are a different sub-set of Africans from the Horn.

There is a notable difference between a Italian man and a Scandavanian man. There is a notable difference between a Japanese man and an Indian man just as there is a difference between a Somali/ethiopian man and a Nigerian/Kenyan man.

We are not Bantu.
We are not Arab.
We are not white.
We are not Asian.
We are Somali and African.

Somali =/= Bantu

[TheMailMan]

Phinks, that's exactly what I'm saying saaxib. Why are these madhow-lovers making things so complicated? Why are they so interested in grouping us in with Jareers and Bantus? We are Somalis, and we fall under the same umbrella as Oromos and other Horn Africans. Just leave it at that.

Allah created us differently. How is this a bad thing?

[MaliPrince]

What the hell are you talking about? I already acknowledged that the Maasai are just as close to us as the Berbers, possibly even closer. But the Berbers (especially the Tuaregs) are far more closely related to Somalis/Oromos/Afars than a West African or a Zulu is, and this is a scientific fact. This proves my point that "Blackness" is bullshit.

That's all I was saying the entire time. Audhubilah. I'm emphasizing the great distance which exists between Horn Africans and West Africans and highlighting this important point. That we Somalis certainly don't fall under the same umbrella as Cameroonians or Liberians.

We Somalis don't even come under the same category as those people. And there's nothing wrong wit that, alhamdulilah. There's beauty in diversity.

Actually that is not true. While PATERNALLY there is some distance between us and the Bantu (our ancestors diverged from theirs about 30,000 years ago), we do share very recent common ancestry when it comes to MATERNAL DNA. Here is one of the few comprehensive studies on mtDNA in East Africa. http://ethiohelix.blogspot.co.uk/2013/0 ... n-has.html

If you look at the first chart, you'll see that Somalis have roughly 65% of their maternal ancestry from haplogroup L (which originated in Africa) and about 35% from haplogroups M and N (which are thought to be Asian). The Kikuyu on the other hand have 92% of their maternal ancestry from haplogroup L and only 8% from haplogroup N. This study is very interesting because it shows that the AFRICAN component of our maternal ancestry in the Horn is similar to the Bantu. The main difference is that we have NON-AFRICAN ancestry on our mother's side in greater proportions than the Bantu.

So while your closest male relative to the Bantu may have lived 30,000 years ago. Your closest female relative to the Bantu is living RIGHT NOW.

[MaliPrince]

Mailman

Why bother arguing with retards?

I've said it before and I'll say it again;

Somali's are black, we are African and we are muslim. But we are NOT "black" as defined in the western world (jareer, Bantu, madow etc)

We are a different sub-set of Africans from the Horn.

There is a notable difference between a Italian man and a Scandavanian man. There is a notable difference between a Japanese man and an Indian man just as there is a difference between a Somali/ethiopian man and a Nigerian/Kenyan man.

We are not Bantu.
We are not Arab.
We are not white.
We are not Asian.
We are Somali and African.

Somali =/= Bantu

Actually its more complicated because about 30% of Somali DNA is of non-African origin (primarily on our mothers side). That is alot more than you see in the Bantu or Nilotic populations. And on our fathers side, eventhough our ancestry is 80% African, its a different type of African from the Bantu. But on our mother's side, our African maternal ancestry is similar to the Bantu.

And this is what produces all the confusion. On the one hand we're the same as the Bantu. On the other hand we're different. And then throw in some non-African ancestry to boot and you have the modern Somali people. A mixture of different African groups with some non-African ancestry as well.

[TheMailMan]

MaliPrince, you're actually repeating yourself here. And I've already addressed these points in previous pages, and I hate to repeat myself.

Just leave it at that. You're literally just repeating yourself, and if I reply to this post....I'd be repeating myself as well.

Somalis are distinct from West Africans and Southern Africans. There's a great genetic variation between a Somali and a West African, and we don't fall under the same umbrella.....If you can't see that, then there's something wrong with you.

[MaliPrince]

I wanna ask you a question:

You claim that I "hate" Bantus and that I must have been bullied by some Madhows while growing up as a kid. That's completely not true, but let's just say it is.....Do you say the same thing to the Somalis who get angry at Arabs who incorrectly claim that, "Somalis are just dark-skinned Arabs and are the same as us." When a Somali gets enraged at the Arabs who claim this, do you say to him, "Oh you were just victimized by Arabs as a schoolkid, and that's why you hate them so much"

It's not hate. It's self-love. I love myself and my people. And I despise it when I hear Arabs claim that we're one of them. The same way I despise when West Africans or Southern Africans claiming that we are the same as them, that we fall under the same umbrella. Wallahi there are very real differences between Somalis and Zambians. Somalis and Liberians. We aren't the same as them genetically. We don't have a similar history. We don't have a similar culture. We don't even have a similar language.

So if a Somali rightfully gets enraged at an Arab misappropriating his heritage, why can't the Somali also be enraged at West Africans for doing the exact same thing?

What the hell happened to your pride?

What's with the double standards? Why can't you just say you're a Horn African Somali and leave it at that?

I think its just as foolish to get mad at an Arab if they say we are one of them. You need to get over this. This issue is not that big a deal. If an Arab says we are one of them, just say thank you brother but i am a somali.

There is no reason to get offended and respond with anger and vitroi. It makes you look petty. And also makes it look like your scared of something.

[Phinks]

Phinks, that's exactly what I'm saying saaxib. Why are these madhow-lovers making things so complicated? Why are they so interested in grouping us in with Jareers and Bantus? We are Somalis, and we fall under the same umbrella as Oromos and other Horn Africans. Just leave it at that.

Allah created us differently. How is this a bad thing?

There are two kinds of people in the world saaxib:

people who listen to what you say and recognize that each word has a specific role to play in making your point clear so there is no misunderstanding,

and

people who won’t/can’t understand your point because they’re too busy making assumptions to listen properly.

These guys fall in the latter group. The thing they don't understand is that we don't want to associate ourselves with ANYONE but Somali's. I f-king despise most Arabs as it is, I remember this one Arab dude who said "Mashallah you have hair just like me brother mashallah!!" and it honestly kinda pissed me off. Arabs don't like us plain and simple. They're f-king hypocrites because they said that Mo Farah was an Arab (I'm serious look it up) just because he was a gold medalist Olympics runner. What a f-king joke!

I am African, I am Muslim and I am black. But don't you DARE categorise me as being the same as a Bantu and grouping me as one. I am a proud Somali man who loves his nation and people with a burning passion and hope to see our nation return to its prosperous state and days of glory. I reserve pride for the things we have accomplished like the recruitment of female pilots in our airforce way before other African countries. To say I'm a Bantu would be like SPITTING on my forefathers who've fought tooth and nail for this great land. Inheriting a rich and worthy culture to pass on to the next generation would be an honour. We have the ugly scars of famine, civil war and clan warfare. We've done and are doing what we can to make amends for our past indiscretions. This is a beautiful nation and despite our faults, I am proud to have been a man of Somali heritage and descent and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Somalia haa nolato!

[MaliPrince]

MaliPrince, you're actually repeating yourself here. And I've already addressed these points in previous pages, and I hate to repeat myself.

Just leave it at that. You're literally just repeating yourself, and if I reply to this post....I'd be repeating myself as well.

Somalis are distinct from West Africans and Southern Africans. There's a great genetic variation between a Somali and a West African, and we don't fall under the same umbrella.....If you can't see that, then there's something wrong with you.

did you even read the link in my last post? http://ethiohelix.blogspot.co.uk/2013/0 ... n-has.html

I love how before I posted it, it was about how we share no link to the Bantu. Now that I've posted evidence of a MATERNAL DNA link between Somalis and the KIKUYU Bantu, its about us being "distinct from West Africans and South Africans."

Talk about moving the goal posts.

[Itrah]

did you even read the link in my last post? http://ethiohelix.blogspot.co.uk/2013/0 ... n-has.html

I love how before I posted it, it was about how we share no link to the Bantu. Now that I've posted evidence of a MATERNAL DNA link between Somalis and the KIKUYU Bantu, its about us being "distinct from West Africans and South Africans."

Talk about moving the goal posts.

That study had Somali Bantu and Benaadiri Swahili, Bajuuni etc samples taken from a refugee camp in Yemen. It even says so in the study that they had some Bantu samples. They carry some maternal lineages I have never seen on the +60 confirmed ethnic Somalis on 23andme (a genetics platform). Even though, with jareer samples they had collectively like 40% non-African M/N.

This study is more representative of ethnic Somali mtDNA, as they took in Copenhagen, Denmark with mainly ethnic Somalis:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x13 ... lltext.pdf

frequency image: http://i.imgur.com/7wSxjGL.png