All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders

[oldenglish]

Oldenglish u need to understand my political position..i am darod idealogist...i believe in the supremacy of darod over other somalis and anything else is unacceptable..and therefore i research my facts and bring my case forward for all to see the LIGHT..

I dont care for that BS. A darood supermicist is a Maakhir nationalist, any anti-Maakhir or the Kingdoms reninstatement is against Darood.

[Khalid Ali]

yes we know All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders, but before they came and devided the lands and made their fake borders, who lived in that land and who didnt-they did not have a clue-or cared. they just devided lands and made fake borders, which created people from the same tribe being seperated, or people who originally owned this land being forced out to move and so on. which then created hostility and endless wars between tribes/groups.

Yes but we should respect the colonial borders we once try to over come these borders and look what happened a whole nation became refugees.
Is that what you want.

[surrender]

Surrender i get the point you trying to make - at the end of the day - each region of the former 5 should stick to its former colonial borders - there is no way somaliland will change its borders just to please others - thats how it - its simple if hartis are not happy about it - then they either fight for it - or immigrate to pland . there is no going back just because few hartis live in the east side of Sland - doesnt mean they have the powers to demand the change of colonial borders - in the bases of just because your qabil lives there - they can demand a choice of which their land can join - sland government has rights for its all former borders so nothing will change - just like pland has rights for up to north galckayo , bari , nugaal , mudug

excuse me? you sound like you threatning somone? dont lose sleep over it sure SS owners will fight for what they own, and they will force the isaaqs to immigrate to hergaiysa and its bushes. lol claiming something that dont belong to you is stupid, ignorant and utter rubbish trying to force your way in! if somaliland want to follow the rule of the white fool who took the pen and start drawing lines in Africa, thats up to them, but somalia belong to somalis, and they will fight for it, untill they win., and its known fact waxaadan xaq ulahayn inaad kuraysid hasugin!!

ps: lol@few harti live east side of sland. is that your bedtime story your were fed when u was a kid!?lol hada over 3/4s of SSC is harti alone!? who you trying to convince SSC belongs to isaaq? we all know who lives in lascanod, lasqoray and all its cities, towns, and villages. just because you have support of one man, it dont mean SSC will suddenly be yours.

FYI: there's difference between s/land and pland. 1)pland dont force others to join them. 2) pland havent been playin the sympathy card for nearly 2decades 3) pland dont claim lands that dont belongs to them. 4) pland is not tryin to make white fools fantasy come true!!!!

[surrender]

yes we know All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders, but before they came and devided the lands and made their fake borders, who lived in that land and who didnt-they did not have a clue-or cared. they just devided lands and made fake borders, which created people from the same tribe being seperated, or people who originally owned this land being forced out to move and so on. which then created hostility and endless wars between tribes/groups.

Yes but we should respect the colonial borders we once try to over come these borders and look what happened a whole nation became refugees.
Is that what you want.

you only saying that because its the interest of the isaaq's lol. had it been the other way around boi i like to see you reaction than!!! fyi: i rather be a refugee than let my land that belongs to me- and rightly so-give away.

[Ducaysane_87]

Surrender i get the point you trying to make - at the end of the day - each region of the former 5 should stick to its former colonial borders - there is no way somaliland will change its borders just to please others - thats how it - its simple if hartis are not happy about it - then they either fight for it - or immigrate to pland . there is no going back just because few hartis live in the east side of Sland - doesnt mean they have the powers to demand the change of colonial borders - in the bases of just because your qabil lives there - they can demand a choice of which their land can join - sland government has rights for its all former borders so nothing will change - just like pland has rights for up to north galckayo , bari , nugaal , mudug

excuse me? you sound like you threatning somone? dont lose sleep over it sure SS owners will fight for what they own, and they will force the isaaqs to immigrate to hergaiysa and its bushes. lol claiming something that dont belong to you is stupid, ignorant and utter rubbish trying to force your way in! if somaliland want to follow the rule of the white fool who took the pen and start drawing lines in Africa, thats up to them, but somalia belong to somalis, and they will fight for it, untill they win., and its known fact waxaadan xaq ulahayn inaad kuraysid hasugin!!

ps: lol@few harti live east side of sland. is that your bedtime story your were fed when u was a kid!?lol hada over 3/4s of SSC is harti alone!? who you trying to convince SSC belongs to isaaq? we all know who lives in lascanod, lasqoray and all its cities, towns, and villages. just because you have support of one man, it dont mean SSC will suddenly be yours.

FYI: there's difference between s/land and pland. 1)pland dont force others to join them. 2) pland havent been playin the sympathy card for nearly 2decades 3) pland dont claim lands that dont belongs to them. 4) pland is not tryin to make white fools fantasy come true!!!!

- what i was implying when i said there is few hartis in the eastside was - that they are minority in sland - actually somaliland is not even that forcing - some dhullos and warsans did join the somaliland parliament out of their choice and nobody forced them - at the end of the day harti is divided you got guys like xaabsade who work for sland and his sub clans of dhulbahante , Baharsame , Jamac Siyaad all support him in the case to support sland - and commit to sland.


do you even know when you say SSC? it should be like S.E .S.C - that will make sense - since hartis live in the east side of sanaag and not all of sanaag makes sense


lets get to the reality - of the hartis of sland - Dhulbahante are very divided between Sland and Pland - those who want to stay with sland are mostly those who have strong relations and intermarry with isaaqs alot. and those who want pland is those who are closer to pland then sland like the eastern dhullos of sool. with that said.


The Warsangeli - mainly have no interest in Pland - after their lost in the recent pland elections Ilka Jir - the Warsangeli are in the plan of something called Makhiir- which most of their people dont even support -their garaads are in hargeysa begging the sland adminstration for a positions in the Guurti and government




1 more last question Surrender - do you realise that Dhullos - some are closer and want to stay part of sland - and some are closer to pland and want to be part of Pland. so this is the only plan Pland has any chance of - you have the Pland dhullos - and we will have the Sland Dhullos



even this is what the UN says about the relations between Mjs and Dhulbahantes - how comes Dhulbahante have better relations with ogaden who live in ogadenia - rather then next door neighbours Mj -


"Relations with the Ogaadeen are generally good, perhaps better than the Mijerteen whose history with the Dhulbahante is complicated by infrequent skirmishes and blood feuds. The Dhulbahante 'capital' is at Las 'Anood, across the border in Somaliland. Following several years of dependence upon Bosaaso as an outlet for trade, the Dhulbahante are turning increasingly to Berbera, both for its proximity and in consequence of a general warming of Dhulbahante-Isaaq relations under the Somaliland administration."

[Khalid Ali]

you only saying that because its the interest of the isaaq's lol. had it been the other way around boi i like to see you reaction than!!! fyi: i rather be a refugee than let my land that belongs to me- and rightly so-give away.

yes we know All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders, but before they came and devided the lands and made their fake borders, who lived in that land and who didnt-they did not have a clue-or cared. they just devided lands and made fake borders, which created people from the same tribe being seperated, or people who originally owned this land being forced out to move and so on. which then created hostility and endless wars between tribes/groups.

Yes but we should respect the colonial borders we once try to over come these borders and look what happened a whole nation became refugees.
Is that what you want.

you only saying that because its the interest of the isaaq's lol. had it been the other way around boi i like to see you reaction than!!! fyi: i rather be a refugee than let my land that belongs to me- and rightly so-give away.


There are isaaq people in Djibouti and kilinka shanad how is it in their interest Somaliland is in the interest of all of its people not one single clan

[Khalid Ali]

Surrender i get the point you trying to make - at the end of the day - each region of the former 5 should stick to its former colonial borders - there is no way somaliland will change its borders just to please others - thats how it - its simple if hartis are not happy about it - then they either fight for it - or immigrate to pland . there is no going back just because few hartis live in the east side of Sland - doesnt mean they have the powers to demand the change of colonial borders - in the bases of just because your qabil lives there - they can demand a choice of which their land can join - sland government has rights for its all former borders so nothing will change - just like pland has rights for up to north galckayo , bari , nugaal , mudug

excuse me? you sound like you threatning somone? dont lose sleep over it sure SS owners will fight for what they own, and they will force the isaaqs to immigrate to hergaiysa and its bushes. lol claiming something that dont belong to you is stupid, ignorant and utter rubbish trying to force your way in! if somaliland want to follow the rule of the white fool who took the pen and start drawing lines in Africa, thats up to them, but somalia belong to somalis, and they will fight for it, untill they win., and its known fact waxaadan xaq ulahayn inaad kuraysid hasugin!!

ps: lol@few harti live east side of sland. is that your bedtime story your were fed when u was a kid!?lol hada over 3/4s of SSC is harti alone!? who you trying to convince SSC belongs to isaaq? we all know who lives in lascanod, lasqoray and all its cities, towns, and villages. just because you have support of one man, it dont mean SSC will suddenly be yours.

FYI: there's difference between s/land and pland. 1)pland dont force others to join them. 2) pland havent been playin the sympathy card for nearly 2decades 3) pland dont claim lands that dont belongs to them. 4) pland is not tryin to make white fools fantasy come true!!!!

Honey here is where you go wrong you comparing a clan state to somaliland puntland says its a clan states and it only belongs to the harti clan of the jeberti that’s , all somaliland is a multy trible society , and you know it. Now you went in to clan lines now u said ssc is ¾ harti do you have proof for that
Now let’s start cayn ama gobolka buhuudle
quriluqud Isaaq
Galgal salamadow and wacays adan
Magaalada buhuudle Dhulbahante

Lets go in gobolka sool
4 districts
Caynabo isaaq
Xudun sacadyoonis naaleye axmed
Talleex Dhulbahante
And lascanood Dhulbahante faqashini
Gobolka sanaag
3 districts
Ceelafweyn isaaq
Ceerigabo isaaq
Badhan Warsangaly

Wa bilahi tawfiiq
Hadaan meel been ku sheegay idinka sheegii doona

[Ducaysane_87]

Emperior your wrong about Sanaag let me correct how Minority Harti are in Sanaag

Mayd District - Muse Carre -HY
Ceerigabo District - Gadhweyn Majority - other Minorities
Xiis - District -Uduruxmiin - HJ
Garadag- Bicide -Hj
Ceelafweyn- SY Majority , Bicide , Muse Turwaa
Dararweyn - Strictly -Sacad Yonis
Badhaan - Warsans
Buraan Warsans -

[ina aadan]

Waraaq uu 1891 Menelek Boqorka Itoobiya u qoray Gumeeysigii Europe: Ingiriiska, France, Germany, Italy & Russia si ay u Siiyaan Dhulka Soomaali Galbeed

Menelik II


Being desirous to make known to our friends the Powers (Sovereigns) of Europe the boundaries of Ethiopia, we have addressed also to you (your Majesty) the present letter.

These are the boundaries of Ethiopia:-
Starting from the Italian boundary of Arafale, which is situated on the sea, the line goes westward over the plain (Meda) of Gegra towards Mahio, Halai, Digsa, and Gura up to Adibaro. From Adibaro to the junction of the Rivers Mareb and Arated.

From this point the line runs southward to the junction of the Atbara and Setit Rivers, where is situated the town known as Tomat.

From Tomat the frontier embraces the Province of Gederef up to Karkoj on the Blue Nile. From Karkoj the line passes to the junction of the Sobat River with the White Nile. From thence the frontier follows the River Sobat including the country of Arbore, Gallas and reaches Samburu.

Towards the east are included within the frontier the country of the Borana Gallas and Arussi country up to the limits of the Somalis, including also the Province of Ogaden .

To the northward the line of the frontier includes the Habar Awal, the Gadabursi, and Essa Somalis , and reaches Ambos.

Leaving Ambos the line includes Lake Assal, the province of our ancient vassal Mohamed Anfari, skirts the coast of the sea, and rejoins Arafale. While tracing today the actual boundaries of my Empire, I shall endeavour, if God gives me life and strength, to re-establish the ancient frontiers (tributaries) of Ethiopia up to Khartoum, and as Lake Nyanza with all the Gallas.

Ethiopia has been for fourteen centuries a Christian island in a sea of pagans. If powers at a distance come forward to partition Africa between them, I do not intend to be an indifferent spectator.

As the Almighty has protected Ethiopia up to this day, I have confidence He will continue to protect her, and increase her borders in the future . I am certain He will not suffer her to be divided among other Powers.

Formerly the boundary of Ethiopia was the sea. Having lacked strength sufficient, and having received no help from Christian Powers, our frontier on the sea coast fell into the power of the Muslim-man.

At present we do not intend to regain our sea frontier by force, but we trust that the Christian Power, guided by our Saviour, will restore to us our sea-coast line, at any rate, certain points on the coast .

Written at Addis Ababa, the 14 th Mazir, 1883 (10th April, 1891).
Translated direct from the Amharic.)
Adis Ababa, 4 th May, 1897.
This letter was addressed to Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Russia.
*Public Records Office (London), Foreign Office 1/32 Rodd to Sallisbury, No. 15, 4 th May. Also see The Somali Peninsula, p. 86

[Khalid Ali]

No I am talking about the 3 degmos siyaad barre made for sanaag of the 3 .2 of them are isaaq. But if you look at the map your right Badhan is is useless compared to the capital city ceerigabo and its districts.

[ina aadan]

Khalid & ducaysane isaaq ma dhul la`aan baa haysa

[oldenglish]

LONG LIVE THE SULTANATE OF MAAKHIR

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid & ducaysane isaaq ma dhul la`aan baa haysa

maya sxb dad ba dhulkayaga sheeganaya markaasanu runta oo sheegayney

[Ducaysane_87]

No I am talking about the 3 degmos siyaad barre made for sanaag of the 3 .2 of them are isaaq. But if you look at the map your right Badhan is is useless compared to the capital city ceerigabo and its districts.

haa those degmos siyad bare made are long -gone - but this is the present day districts - harti are really minority in sanaag - also in sool i would say dhullos are 50 percent there - and 50 percent is isaaq- Caynabo -Hj - Xudun -SY -with some naaleeye ahmed - so you see everyday harti are becoming minority

[oldenglish]

Bal Aan Maakhir Haybsado