why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

[Voltage]

Walle Somali Amir is Imam Ahmed Gurey incarnate, bal eeg siduu ukala yaqaan dalkaas Etoopiya iyo dadkeeda.

The Reer-Hasan (Marexaan) and the Oromo were fighting in Libaan region in Nagelle as far as lat year, so the Somalis still have a foothold there Somaliamir.

there are still fighting but since 1995 the Merahan were pushed all the way to filtu by the Borana who want all of liban including the Territory settle by the Somali

Incorrect, last I heard the Oromo were complaining to the Ethiopian government that "arms from Somalia" are helping the Marehan in the Nageyle wars.

[Voltage]

I think Somalis r not assmilitionist;
Your relation is based on Blood unlike we Oromos who r openly assilitionist

James Dahl take note please. You hear from an Oromo what I have long said to you. Oromos are a people united by language, there is no abtirsi and there is no blood relation clan origins.

[abdikarim86]

are jaarso and akisho from babille original oromo

[Voltage]

Jaarso, Akiisho, and the Noolee Oromo are all the dispersed remnants of Imam Ahmed's Somali army. They are pure Somali who just happened to become bilingual. Ask a Noolee from Harrar what he is, he will say "Oromo", ask him his abtirsi and he goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub or something else Somali. Daba gal bay ubaahanyihiin dadkaas.

Even their genealogy is the name of their regions. "Baabile Barantuma". Babile their region became their tribe's name after being dispersed because that's where they congregated to each other.

[abdikarim86]

so where do they fit in?

jaarso and akisho

[James Dahl]

I think Somalis r not assmilitionist;
Your relation is based on Blood unlike we Oromos who r openly assilitionist

James Dahl take note please. You hear from an Oromo what I have long said to you. Oromos are a people united by language, there is no abtirsi and there is no blood relation clan origins.

Genetic studies have said the same thing, it is one of the things I have taken into account.

[Ashwaaq90]

BAreento,

Who can dislike beautiful women


Its sad to see people losing their native religions

What are you trying to say

[Voltage]

so where do they fit in?

jaarso and akisho

Where they always fit in. Somali power was dramatically reduced by the coming of colonialism when Ethiopians were favored and showered with weapons and we were targeted.

Look at this map in 1890, Oromo are practically on the border of Sudan and the Habesha in their usual highlands.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historic ... a_1890.jpg

The displacement of the Somali power led to multi-lingualism in the area with the advent of both foreign European and foreign Ethiopian dual colonialization. But the process was impacted by time which is why the dispute of Jaarso, Akiisho, Nolle, etc is very much raw and has not be made irrelevant by time.

[James Dahl]

I'm pretty sure Akisho are Madaxweyne Dir. Akisho just means "the fat one" in Oromo or so I've heard. I have an abtiris for Akisho it's Maxamuud (Akisho) Cali Madaxweyne Dir.

Jaarso, at least according to tradition, are descended from Dagaa, son of Kallo, though if my theory is correct then they are very close relatives and Jaarso would have been Dir's second cousin.

[Voltage]

James, to use street language everybody and their momma knows Akiisho and Jaarso are Somali. The real dispute is over Nolle, the so-called "Oromo" of Harrar. They are the remnants of Imaam Ahmed's army. I know a Nolle and the abtirsi goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub, the parents pay "qaaraan" with the Shiiqaal in this city, they speak Somali but if you ask what they are the reply is "Oromo". It is mind blowing I tell ya!

[Voltage]

Is there any dispute Harrar was Somali-ruled since time immemorial? I mean here the last great Sultan was fighting the Oromo incursion into the vicinity of Harrar, and judging from colonial maps and the fact we know the first time Ethiopia laid real power over Harrar was when Haile Salassie's father was named "governor" there with the treaty with the British, we know he succeeded!

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... ujahid.jpg

[bareento]

Jaarso, Akiisho, and the Noolee Oromo are all the dispersed remnants of Imam Ahmed's Somali army. They are pure Somali who just happened to become bilingual. Ask a Noolee from Harrar what he is, he will say "Oromo", ask him his abtirsi and he goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub or something else Somali. Daba gal bay ubaahanyihiin dadkaas.

Even their genealogy is the name of their regions. "Baabile Barantuma". Babile their region became their tribe's name after being dispersed because that's where they congregated to each other.

Hi voltage,

I thing things r a little bit more complexe than the way u put it.

In ancient times Oromos used to name places or provinces by thoe name of those inhabiting the place.
Hence u have Baabile.

In fact Baabbile, Daga (jaarso + Noole) , Alaa were part of once powerful Oromo Confederation known as Afran Qallo, (the four of qallo)
Out of these tribes the Baabbile and Jarso intensively interacted with some Somali or Somali-Oromo mix tribes known as Gherri Koombe (i might not be right for this name, sorry). This interactions lasted for three centuries.
During this time some Somali clans were Oromomized and some Oromo clans r Somalized; this is normal course of things.

Thats why applying nationalist view of Somalinimmo or Oromumma on these particular people is difficult.
Its my opinion that if they have to be separated they have to chose whom they want to join.

I never heard of any Somalized Noole, execept for Akichu who had the misfortune of being cut off the large body of Oromoland.

Peace

B

[bareento]

I think Somalis r not assmilitionist;
Your relation is based on Blood unlike we Oromos who r openly assilitionist

James Dahl take note please. You hear from an Oromo what I have long said to you. Oromos are a people united by language, there is no abtirsi and there is no blood relation clan origins.

Exactly the same way Somalis r a people united by language

Believe me an Issa galbeed is more related to his Afar or Karayyu foes than the Rahawweeyni in South Somali

[James Dahl]

James, to use street language everybody and their momma knows Akiisho and Jaarso are Somali. The real dispute is over Nolle, the so-called "Oromo" of Harrar. They are the remnants of Imaam Ahmed's army. I know a Nolle and the abtirsi goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub, the parents pay "qaaraan" with the Shiiqaal in this city, they speak Somali but if you ask what they are the reply is "Oromo". It is mind blowing I tell ya!

If their abtiris goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub in particular, that would mean Noole (or at least your friend's branch) are actually Martille Hiraab Hawiye, as Aw-Qudub in particular is the Hawiye branch of Sheekhaal.
How does he trace Noole to Aw-Qudub?

[Voltage]

In ancient times Oromos used to name places or provinces by thoe name of those inhabiting the place.
Hence u have Baabile.

In fact Baabbile, Daga (jaarso + Noole) , Alaa were part of once powerful Oromo Confederation known as Afran Qallo, (the four of qallo)

That would be a convenient excuse and would make sense but every single map as late as the colonial maps showed you did not even settle in those lands. What came first the land or the people? If the people came first, then what you are saying would make sense but the reality is the first time you settled and were seen in any of these lands were a little over a hundred years ago, hence you did not give the land its name but the land gave you its name.

There is an Oromo tribe called Kaffa but if you read the article on Imam Nuur, he named the place Kaffa where he defeated a band of Oromos. THe Oromos then came to be synonymous iwth that land and adopted its name which is what I said happened with Baabile and stuff.