The Somali President at the Arab League

[Twisted_Logic]

The government is a weak transitional one. It needs every one. But some are useless militia armies who are for salaries and making bad name for the same government that they represent while others are ready to go and take the fight to the AS. Have you been following the original plans of the armies that have been trained for the FSG in Kenya? I hope you do know what I am talking about but you need to collect some fast facts to make you points.

JL= Jubaland, ML= Mudug land. If you understood what PL stands then you could understand from the context I guess.

Anyhow I believe the naive Sherif is good only at tour classes by Walled Abdella and money collection. It is been year and half, yet ho got nothing to show except useless pics on the net.

Your rhetoric doesn't match the reality.

The Somali troops being organized and assembled in Kenya are not clan militias as you hope but part of a plan by the International Community to bolster the government by recruiting, arming and organizing troops for the TFG. The Kenyan government wants to restrict the power projections of Al Shabab and its ability to threaten Kenya by arming and training troops for the Somali government that are meant to create a buffer-zone for the Kenyans. The Ethiopians, Jabuti, Uganada are also doing the same thing. The organization of militias along clan-lines are counter-productive and will only complicate the Somali situation and no-one in their right minds will allow this for numerous reasons and chief among it is that it undermines the power and legitimacy of this government that the International Community has invested in so much. So, it is a ignorant simplification to label the troops that are being organized in Kenya as a clan militia. If these clan-elders that you talk so highly of, they would be organizing and recruiting on the Somali side of the border and not Kenya

I don't understand JL because I deal with entities that exist. There is no way you are going to compare Jubbaland with Puntland

Sh Sharif is only "naive" to you. He has reached this far because of his naivete.

The reality on the ground doesn't show single success of the naive Sherif. On top of that wiilasha laga soo aruurshay in the mid of Gariisa and the refugee camps were trained to fight around the border and heart of JL( not in Moqadhiso which has enough troops already). The exdefense minister Professor Gandhi was nominated to follow up as a planning head the contract and he recruited around 2500 soldiers who are brave enough to weaken the power of the opponents with the hep of the locals, educators and elders of Gedo and JL. The international( and the local) communities, FSG and Kenyan government are aware of the transplant plan of the contract mission. But as long as KT Zenawi don't feel comfortable with a such a plan just out of fear was suspended.

It's federal transitional government, and if you don't see importance of JL or other to be born states (and wants of the local people ) how would you win against your opponents?

The clan militia of Cabdiqadiid, qanyare, Farole and Adan Xaashi who were trained in Ethiopia or DJabouti are not more significant than those who are being denied to go after AS in Jubaland.

The reason I call the Sherif naive and stupid is he doesn't know his friend from his foes.
What would he achieve in begging the Arab world that he can't keep up with the magnitude of the danger political wave that is going under his table? You might need to read more in to it !

You need to accept the fact that the government troops being trained along the Kenyan border are part of the TFG and Prof Ghandi is a member of the TFG. No sensible country will undermine this government by forming clan militias to fight Al Shabab. The task of the stabilization of the country is the job of the government and even credible powers like ASWJ understand this. If some people are planning to create a Jubbaland administration, then that will be a good step forward. But it will have to be one that is acceptable and supported by people in that region and not a clan ploy to subdue others. Jubbaland is diverse both in terms of clans, and interests and whatever administration that takes shape will have to live with this reality.

The "clan militias" of Abdi Qabydiid, Indocade and others are now part of the government and work according to its mandate and regulations. The same is true for the ones that are being trained in Jabuti, Uganda, Ethiopia and Kenya. Only the government can have a monopoly over security and again, no credible and sensible country will undermine the TFG.

About Sharif, again, this is according to you. No-one has to buy your simplistic and deluded descriptions. Whatever decision he makes will have to be one that is in the best interest of the Somali people and not what pleases some obscure opportunists with their own ideas.

[Twisted_Logic]

You support Faroole because he sells innocent Ogadeen to Ethiopia

Speaking of Ethiopia

Where did Ahlu shirki wal bidca and TGF made the joint goverment agreement?

Shariif dameer is Melez Zanawi favorite biij he gives better blow job than all former Somali presidents and prime ministers, I wonder why his lips are so red nacala tullah

Futoole is Ethiopia favorite prostitute. Selling innocent Ogaden people to Ethiopia for petty favors. To make it worse, under his rule, Ethiopia enters Puntland and does house-arrests.

You support him same way you supported Abdullahi Yusuf. Your survival depends on Ethiopia

And now your shariif dameer does more tricks than Abdulahi and faroole combined [/quote]

From Amina Boqor Osman to Abdullahi Yusuf to Futoole, your knees have been on the bend. Prostitution is the only art you excel and all Somalis know this. Futoole continues this tradition when he sells innocent Ogaden civilians to Meles Zenawi

[Faranacab]

It seems you are in defensive mood, not to mention that you are not informed well about this case. But the point is that the original plan of the troops in Kenya remains untouchable. Gandi does not have the capacity or decision making authority to send these troops to Mogadisho, behind this are elders, JL public and the government of Kenya who put much time and effort into bringing this project together.The new plan to dissolve these troops or send them to Xamar is been pushed by Ethiopia who see the Ogaden influence in the Jubba regions as a threat as it can harbor the ONLF of whom it see's as great threat to its fake "Ethiopia". So the pressure on Gandi is nothing more than an act of aggression, his stance is an act of patriotism.There is no need for a compromise, the Sharif regime are taking people as fools.

That said professor Gandhi is more smart and influential than his counterparts. He understands the importance to keep the moral, Spirit and unity this troops who can fight well in JL compared to Mogadisho where they have little environmental knowledge. KT Melez can't keep interfering the business of the minister and that of Somali entity transitional government. It's time some real politicians take initiative steps to bring peace and stability in the region. The drama of the Ethiopian policy and that of internal community should end at some where my dear friend. The naive sherif is a naive for not understanding simple Somali politics , till he gets and regains the support that he had at the time when he was elected back February in 2009, he will remain as a naive incompetent president of a failed state no matter what good pictures you post in the clan portals!

The president is naive by definition but every one would wish he was smart president .

How deep do you follow the opposing shows and drama queens that are going on in Addis and Nairobi? No need to answer as it can be read from your post!

[hanqadh]

Farancab

As a member of the TFG Gaandi must abide by its programs.

It is true that Gandi has been given the "Cold" Shoulder by Sharif, Shariif is not doing himself any favours by alienating the "Honest" politicians such as Gandi,Oomar,Cadde,etc.These figures have done much to improve the integrity of the TFG.

Gaandi did more than any other politician who has taken the position of "Defence Minister" during the Civil War his demotion came as a shock to us all, many have pointed the finger at Addis Abbaba.Following this event, Gandi has continued his role as the leading proponent of the "Jubbaland Force" which was sanctioned by Sharif.For the second time Sharif has fell out with Gandi, now over where these forces will operate, its quite clear they were trained for the planned offensive's Jubbaland task.But here again we see the hand of Addis, where it is pressuring Xamar to place these forces in Mogadishu instead of Kismayo.Ethiopia fears patriots like Gaandi and they know he will not fall into there company of 'Trecherous Somali politicians" on its bankroll.It fears a region with "Ogadeni" leaning's will accelerate the resistance against it, and that is warranted because it will happen.The sad thing is Xamar is giving into Addis, Sharif cannot flip-flop on this issue, the stage has been set.These troops will march to Kismayo.

[Twisted_Logic]

It seems you are in defensive mood, not to mention that you are not informed well about this case. But the point is that the original plan of the troops in Kenya remains untouchable. Gandi does not have the capacity or decision making authority to send these troops to Mogadisho, behind this are elders, JL public and the government of Kenya who put much time and effort into bringing this project together.The new plan to dissolve these troops or send them to Xamar is been pushed by Ethiopia who see the Ogaden influence in the Jubba regions as a threat as it can harbor the ONLF of whom it see's as great threat to its fake "Ethiopia". So the pressure on Gandi is nothing more than an act of aggression, his stance is an act of patriotism.There is no need for a compromise, the Sharif regime are taking people as fools.

That said professor Gandhi is more smart and influential than his counterparts. He understands the importance to keep the moral, Spirit and unity this troops who can fight well in JL compared to Mogadisho where they have little environmental knowledge. KT Melez can't keep interfering the business of the minister and that of Somali entity transitional government. It's time some real politicians take initiative steps to bring peace and stability in the region. The drama of the Ethiopian policy and that of internal community should end at some where my dear friend. The naive sherif is a naive for not understanding simple Somali politics , till he gets and regains the support that he had at the time when he was elected back February in 2009, he will remain as a naive incompetent president of a failed state no matter what good pictures you post in the clan portals!

The president is naive by definition but every one would wish he was smart president .

How deep do you follow the opposing shows and drama queens that are going on in Addis and Nairobi? No need to answer as it can be read from your post!

You are dealing with conspiracy theories and other shenanigans which is harming your ability to make a coherent and sensible interpretation about what is going in Somalia.

The intention,planning and order to recruit troops for the Somali government from Kenya came from the Kenyan government and has nothing to do with the wishes of some obscure elders, as you claim. As I said, if these elders you talk of had any relevancy, they would be recruiting troops from the Somali side of the border and not from the Kenyan side. The dynamics you see in the situation in the Kenyan border are really nothing more than a convergence of interests. The TFG wants troops, the Kenyans wants to address the Al Shabab threat and the oppressed people of the Jubba Valley are in need of a helping hand. The steps being taken by the Kenyan government are in line with the charter and understanding behind the creation of the TFG itself which is based on the understanding that the only credible way to solve the Somali problem is through a sustained and determined investment in the TFG. The Kenyan initiative to recruit troops for the Somali government are a manifestation of this understanding. Prof Ghandi could be in charge of these militias or he might not be. This is not the appropriate question because Prof Ghandi is a member of the TFG and whatever steps the Kenyan government has to be done within the frame-work of IGAD and the AU.

About the transportation of these government troops in Kenya to Mogadishu, this report is only presented on kismaayonews which is hardly a source for credible news. Besides, the strategy of this government is to open multiple fronts against Al Shabab in their anticipated offense and hence the sudden transportation of the Somali troops in the Kenyan-border to Mogadishu will go against common-sense and will only work in favor of Al Shabab. With regards to Ethiopia, I think you need to understand that its interest also lies in a stable Somalia and any further deterioration will only harm its long-term interest. You also need to understand that the ONLF is simply an irritant force and doesn't pose an existential threat to Ethiopia and neither will it in the foreseeable future. Besides, Al Shabab has no love for ONLF and going by your logic, it would make perfect sense for Ethiopia to arm and sustain Al Shabab

[Twisted_Logic]

Farancab

As a member of the TFG Gaandi must abide by its programs.

It is true that Gandi has been given the "Cold" Shoulder by Sharif, Shariif is not doing himself any favours by alienating the "Honest" politicians such as Gandi,Oomar,Cadde,etc.These figures have done much to improve the integrity of the TFG.

Gaandi did more than any other politician who has taken the position of "Defence Minister" during the Civil War his demotion came as a shock to us all, many have pointed the finger at Addis Abbaba.Following this event, Gandi has continued his role as the leading proponent of the "Jubbaland Force" which was sanctioned by Sharif.For the second time Sharif has fell out with Gandi, now over where these forces will operate, its quite clear they were trained for the planned offensive's Jubbaland task.But here again we see the hand of Addis, where it is pressuring Xamar to place these forces in Mogadishu instead of Kismayo.Ethiopia fears patriots like Gaandi and they know he will not fall into there company of 'Trecherous Somali politicians" on its bankroll.It fears a region with "Ogadeni" leaning's will accelerate the resistance against it, and that is warranted because it will happen.The sad thing is Xamar is giving into Addis, Sharif cannot flip-flop on this issue, the stage has been set.These troops will march to Kismayo.

These reports of a rift between Sharif and Ghandi only exists on Kismayonews and on the minds of certain SNET members. It has no basis in reality and neither does Ethiopia intervene in what happens in Villa Somalia. I think we should be dealing with the facts and not with conspiracy theories and heresy.

[hanqadh]

TW

I think your under-estimating Ethiopia's paranoia over the "ONLF's" resistance and i dont think you have a feeling of the level of pressure this group is posing on the Ethiopian State as a whole.One of the reason why it attacked the ICU other than the well-known execuse of protecting the TFG and fighting "Terror" was to stop the growing relations between ONLF and the ICU.

The Goverment plan to relocate the troops was not reported by KN at all actually, Cumar Abdirashiid's trip to Nairobi recently was to meet with Jubbaland Elders/Politicians/Businessman to discuss the issue in which they dismissed the Goverment intention to take the troops to Xamar.The rift has been widely covered in the media.

Sxb dont give Ethiopia the benefit of the doubt just because your arguing for Shariif here, we know they are constantly in the mix as with the last 14 Goverments to look out for its interests...We dont need to discuss the negative role of Ethiopia in Somali politics, the evidence is abundant.

[hanqadh]

Approximately 2,500 youths were recruited by clan elders and commissioned agents both from within Somalia (exclusively the Juba Valley) and Northeastern Kenya, including the Daadab refugee camp," states the UN report.

The Star established that the youths cannot be deployed to Somalia as there was a stalemate between Kenya, Ethiopia and Somalia about where they would be most useful.

While the Kenyan security forces want to have the youths deployed in the southern Somali regions of Juba and Gedo to create a buffer zone with the militant Al Shabaab, Ethiopia and the Somalia transitional government want them sent to Mogadishu to help repulse the Al Shabaab who have taken control of large parts of the capital.

Somalia President Sheikh Shariff later fell out with his Defence minister Mohamed Ghandi, an Ogadeni, whom he suspected of pushing for the deployment of the youths in Juba and Gedo to not only fight the Al Shabaab but also lay the foundation for the establishment of an Ogaden autonomous region.
Ethiopia's fears the deployment of the contingent in Ogaden might bolster and give the Ogaden National Liberation Front a launching pad for its attacks against Ethiopia.

The Ogaden clan live in the central Ogaden plateau of Ethiopia, the North Eastern Province of Kenya, and the Jubaland region of Southern Somalia. In Kenya, the Ogadeni have served the government in key positions since independence.

[Twisted_Logic]

TW

I think your under-estimating Ethiopia's paranoia over the "ONLF's" resistance and i dont think you have a feeling of the level of pressure this group is posing on the Ethiopian State as a whole.One of the reason why it attacked the ICU other than the well-known execuse of protecting the TFG and fighting "Terror" was to stop the growing relations between ONLF and the ICU.

The Goverment plan to relocate the troops was not reported by KN at all actually, Cumar Abdirashiid's trip to Nairobi recently was to meet with Jubbaland Elders/Politicians/Businessman to discuss the issue in which they dismissed the Goverment intention to take the troops to Xamar.The rift has been widely covered in the media.

Sxb dont give Ethiopia the benefit of the doubt just because your arguing for Shariif here, we know they are constantly in the mix as with the last 14 Goverments to look out for its interests...We dont need to discuss the negative role of Ethiopia in Somali politics, the evidence is abundant.

No-one dismisses the fact that the ONLF poses a threat to Ethiopia; but, this threat is exaggerated and not in tune with the reality. Hits and runs can only do so much. The spread of religious extremism poses more threat to Ethiopia and the other countries in our region than anything else. If the ONLF was more of a threat to Ethiopia as you presume, Ethiopia would be arming and supporting Al Shabab which has declared the ONLF as an enemy, but then again the reality is simply quite different from the assertions being made in this discussion. Ethiopia intervened in 2006 because its interests were being threatened by the emergency of religious extremism and it had credible concerns about the next stage of the Somali conflict and wanted to prevent the likelihood of the war spilling into Ethiopia.

Jubbaland is too diverse and politically complicated for one clan to be used as a representation. Same way as you claim Ogaden troops are being trained in Kenya, by the same flip, Marehan militias are being trained and sheltered in Ethiopia. In the end, all the people of the Jubba Valley have to come together and create a means to defeat Al Shabab and chart a post-war strategy that is just and satisfies all the peoples of this region. This is why I disagree with the assertions being made in this discussion that the troops being trained and organized are clan militias as farancab simplistically hopes. Whatever strategy the Kenyans or anyone for that matter pursues will be done within the framework and auspices of IGAD and the AU which calls for the support, investment and reinforcement of the TFG. Not the weakening of it through proxy groups. ASWJ issue was tackled precisely for this reason. Security is the monopoly of the state and an important tool in the restoration of the writ of the government.

I am not arguing for Sharif and nor do I have to. The facts and reality are on side and I am arguing from this premise. Just because you criticize and condemn Sharif doesn't mean that you have access to the truth and reality. The situation in Somalia is much more complicated than what some people will have you believe. We need to step beyond the black and white and start seeing the grey shades also.

[Twisted_Logic]

Approximately 2,500 youths were recruited by clan elders and commissioned agents both from within Somalia (exclusively the Juba Valley) and Northeastern Kenya, including the Daadab refugee camp," states the UN report.

The Star established that the youths cannot be deployed to Somalia as there was a stalemate between Kenya, Ethiopia and Somalia about where they would be most useful.

While the Kenyan security forces want to have the youths deployed in the southern Somali regions of Juba and Gedo to create a buffer zone with the militant Al Shabaab, Ethiopia and the Somalia transitional government want them sent to Mogadishu to help repulse the Al Shabaab who have taken control of large parts of the capital.

Somalia President Sheikh Shariff later fell out with his Defence minister Mohamed Ghandi, an Ogadeni, whom he suspected of pushing for the deployment of the youths in Juba and Gedo to not only fight the Al Shabaab but also lay the foundation for the establishment of an Ogaden autonomous region.
Ethiopia's fears the deployment of the contingent in Ogaden might bolster and give the Ogaden National Liberation Front a launching pad for its attacks against Ethiopia.

The Ogaden clan live in the central Ogaden plateau of Ethiopia, the North Eastern Province of Kenya, and the Jubaland region of Southern Somalia. In Kenya, the Ogadeni have served the government in key positions since independence.

Saaxib, a random news item with no corroborations and evidence by some shady Kenyan journalist doesn't become reality.

[GENERAL_SNM]

TL just wants MOgdisho and the OG's want greater Somalia.

[Twisted_Logic]

TL just wants MOgdisho and the OG's want greater Somalia.

Why wouldn't I want Greater Somalia? What reasons do I have to undermine this fundamental Somali belief?

[hanqadh]

TW

Keep denying sxb...

The Elders who met in Garissa recently even made a point out of it to include in there concluding Statement at the end of the summit in which the Prof Gandi was present.

Go’aanadii shirka lagasoo saaray waxa ay u qornaayeen sedan

1 Goluhu Wuxuu si wayn u ayidsan yahay in Ciidamada Tababarku u dhamaaday loo daayo talogalkoodii hore oo ahaa in ay sugaan amniga gobalda koonfureed sida Gedo iyo jubooyinka.

2 Guluhu wuxuu si cad oogu iftiminyaa madaxda sare ee DFK ah Fikrada ah ciidanka jooga loo qaado Muqisho in ay ka danbeyaan Dagaal oogayaal ka soo horjeeda in ay deegaanadu ka tashadaan aayahooda raban in iyaga loo afduubnaado.

3 Goluhu wuxuu u talinyaa in Cidamo hor leh laga soio xareeyo Gobalda Jubooyinka iyadoo goluhuhu qayeb wayn ka qaadan doono soo uruurnta ciidamada Cusub si dii horeba uu uga qayb qaatay soo uruurinta Ciidamadii Tababarka dhamaystay.

4- Goluhu wuxuu Dawalada ku meel gaadha ah ka codsanyaa in ay gacan ka siiso dadyawga deegaanada Gedo iyo Jubooyinka sida ay u dhisan lahaayeen Maamul Gobaleed Dawlad dhexe hoos tag Gacansiointaas oo noqonesa mid dhaqaale iyo mid Farsamoba si loga hor tago Dagaal ooga yaasha isha u haya Fursada kasta oo Alshaabab meesha ka saarta in ay ka faa iidaysataan.

5-Goluhu wixii intaas kabadalan wuxuu u arkaa Mijaxaabinb lala damacsan yahay DFK ah iyo dadyawga u dhashay degaanda Gedo iyo Jubooyinka.

6-Ugu danbayntii Goluhu wuxuu u mahadcelinyaa Dawalada iyo shacabkeda Kenya Taageerada hagar la aaneed ee ay mudad dheer lagaba taaganayeen Shacabka Soomaaliyeed Sidoo kale Goluhu wuxuu Balanq aadayaa in uu kala shaqayn doono Dalada Kenay Amaanka Xuduudaha

Sikasba ha ahato waa markii oogu hooreysey ee Wasiir dawlada ka tirsan uu cadeeyo in Cidamo Dawalad Sooomaaliya ka Jogaan ama lagu tababaro Wadanka Kenya.

[GENERAL_SNM]

TL just wants MOgdisho and the OG's want greater Somalia.

Why wouldn't I want Greater Somalia? What reasons do I have to undermine this fundamental Somali belief?

Its not a reality or possible today, maybe in the future. My point was that the OG need greater somalia for survival you is just belief an idea. If it becomes reality great if not its not the end of the world to them it is.

Its like me a Somalilander greater somali sounds like a great idea but its just that and idea.

[Twisted_Logic]

TW

Keep denying sxb...

The Elders who met in Garissa recently even made a point out of it to include in there concluding Statement at the end of the summit in which the Prof Gandi was present.

Go’aanadii shirka lagasoo saaray waxa ay u qornaayeen sedan

1 Goluhu Wuxuu si wayn u ayidsan yahay in Ciidamada Tababarku u dhamaaday loo daayo talogalkoodii hore oo ahaa in ay sugaan amniga gobalda koonfureed sida Gedo iyo jubooyinka.

2 Guluhu wuxuu si cad oogu iftiminyaa madaxda sare ee DFK ah Fikrada ah ciidanka jooga loo qaado Muqisho in ay ka danbeyaan Dagaal oogayaal ka soo horjeeda in ay deegaanadu ka tashadaan aayahooda raban in iyaga loo afduubnaado.

3 Goluhu wuxuu u talinyaa in Cidamo hor leh laga soio xareeyo Gobalda Jubooyinka iyadoo goluhuhu qayeb wayn ka qaadan doono soo uruurnta ciidamada Cusub si dii horeba uu uga qayb qaatay soo uruurinta Ciidamadii Tababarka dhamaystay.

4- Goluhu wuxuu Dawalada ku meel gaadha ah ka codsanyaa in ay gacan ka siiso dadyawga deegaanada Gedo iyo Jubooyinka sida ay u dhisan lahaayeen Maamul Gobaleed Dawlad dhexe hoos tag Gacansiointaas oo noqonesa mid dhaqaale iyo mid Farsamoba si loga hor tago Dagaal ooga yaasha isha u haya Fursada kasta oo Alshaabab meesha ka saarta in ay ka faa iidaysataan.

5-Goluhu wixii intaas kabadalan wuxuu u arkaa Mijaxaabinb lala damacsan yahay DFK ah iyo dadyawga u dhashay degaanda Gedo iyo Jubooyinka.

6-Ugu danbayntii Goluhu wuxuu u mahadcelinyaa Dawalada iyo shacabkeda Kenya Taageerada hagar la aaneed ee ay mudad dheer lagaba taaganayeen Shacabka Soomaaliyeed Sidoo kale Goluhu wuxuu Balanq aadayaa in uu kala shaqayn doono Dalada Kenay Amaanka Xuduudaha

Sikasba ha ahato waa markii oogu hooreysey ee Wasiir dawlada ka tirsan uu cadeeyo in Cidamo Dawalad Sooomaaliya ka Jogaan ama lagu tababaro Wadanka Kenya.

Saaxib, I hope you respect the nature of the discourse, that when I extend respect to your opinions that you would also do so in kind. Posting information for a tabloid that obviously has a stake in this issue is not credible and is disrespectful. Your source which you have chosen to hide is http://www.ogadentoday.com/print.php?type=N&item_id=880 which has an obvious motives. Among other crazy claims, it asserts that the PM Abdi Rashid Ali Sharmarke wants the troops in Mogadishu ( and not Sharif as you claimed), claims that the International Community intervened and that the PM was threatened to be fired. For heaven sake, saaxib, these are all non-sense and why I called this story fabricated. The people who were in that meeting also happen to be government ministers and Prof Ghandi at the end of the day, comes under the PM. This issue is exaggerated and spiced by people with ulterior motives and who want to exploit the fight against Al Shabab for their own interests.

Let's stay grounded and obey the rules of gravity and not get high of emotions and heresy.