Ethiopia: No Somaliland recognition, its up to SOMALIA

[PrinceOfDarwiishLand]

When Puntland captures LasAnood and SSC region, the Somaliland project is dead and buried. Mark my words, they have no legs to stand on when Harti control half of their so called land.

I just realized that Dhulbahante is bigger than Habr Jeclo, and Habr Jeclo is to be compared to Harti.

Mohamad Abobakar can be compared to Dhulbahante.

Dhulbahante has more land than Habr Yonis and Habr Jeclo.

[ahmad guray]

'Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid,' phagland

[gurey25]

Let me just say one thing..

Somalilands recognition is the only thing gaurenteeing the saftey of your clan..
This is not a threat, its just fact...

if i was you i would be praying for Somalilands recognition.

[kambuli]

^^ Bal qofkan hanjabaya eega...Yaa kaaga futo xun dagaal?

[waayeel101]

Abdikariim,

Maybe you are very young Awdal was a part and parcel of the Faqash..ask any SNM...guy...You guys did the Mujaahid stuff on Reer Awdal remember

reer koonfurku iyagu nadadooda haka shaqeyan iyo siday dawlad u samaysan lahayen, reer ssc iyaguna dantoda ha ka shaqeyan.
calanka buluga ah in laga tago hargaysa, burco iyo berbera mar labad oo reer hargaysana xamar yimadan shaqadas reer awdal aya iska leh. marka yaan la isku xad gudbin waa nin iyo shaqadiis.

[juzme123]

Waar meel naga fadhiiso qabiil dawlad ah lama arage

qabil maxay ah adigay wax ka soo guuxaan eeh ma dawadi xaraanta eeh siyaad bare eeh daroodismka eeh qudhunka bad na mooday

Siyaad Barre's government is long gone...it's been 21 years ago since that government ruled SOMALIA.


Who are you running away from hada?

Have you not been paying attention over the past

21 years

then?

So far, you have not provided a legitimate reason Somaliland should remain part of Somalia. Apart from name-calling and arguiing against Somaliland, it might actually help to validate your viewpoint if you state reasons as to why Somaliland should be and remain part of Somalia. Furthermore you, again, fail to state why the independence of Somaliland would harm Somalia or its people; and you ignore the ways in which Somaliland's independence might benefit Somalia and its people.

1) You have to look at the past to understand the present. Somaliland was once a country seperate from Somalia, it was under the British and before that it was never a 'country' with Somalia; though you may dissmiss this, that does not make it any less pertinent. A large section of the country's people were mistreated, and that is putting it mildly; you all know what went on so i shall not bother to explain. In contrast the south is still engaged in war, and Puntland was majorly unstable until as recent as 2006 (and currently faces piracy, bombings, assasinations and it is inconflict with its western (Somaliland) and southern (Galmudug) neighbours.

2) The politicians that were always sincere in their endevours and wanted peace, prosperity and development for Somalis have suceeded to do that and their results are evident. The politicians or warlords who were always power-hungry, oppertunistic also have been highlighted. An exelent example of the latter being Abdulahi Yusuf (look at his history, it didn't start or end with puntland, he has always been an oppertunistic and self-oriented @:%****; those are the kind of 'leaders' and 'politicians' who deceive genuine Somalis by telling them that they are acting on their behalf in their interest for 'somalinimo' or 'Somalia'. So lets look at who is genuine and sincere and whose past and present actions and achievements support.

3) Where others focused on fighting or trying to take control of other lands, Somaliland(ers) focused on their own territory: (a) establishing peace (b) a government (c) law and order (d) a military and investing in (e) schools (d) hospitals.

4) Awdal is, always was and will continue to be part of Somaliland so this is a dead-end argument. Secondly, there is no such thing as SSC apart from on paper; it should be parts of sool and sanaag (PSS) or 'buuhoodle town'. Thirdly the people who live in the most eastern parts of Somaliland were part of the shir beeleds through which Somaliland was created.

"Addressing the first of the developments that is the so-called ‘SSC’ militia. First of all this militia is very small and is unlikely to represent the people living in that area; the fact that it is/was set up and funded by certain people in the diaspora further diminishes its claims and legitimacy; furthermore they are restricted within the perimiters of the small town of Buuhoodle. The militia is not sustainable in the long term; it is simply too small and it is a symptom rather than a cause in that the people in south-east Somaliland want to be heard more and need to be integrated more into Somaliland. Somaliland has correctly recognised that the elders of these regions are the people that it should be talking to."

These people in the diapora, are unsincere and are power hungry. There is no Somalia of which PSS can be part of, there is no Somalia government and PSS would almost certainly be taken over by either (a) puntland or (b) Alshabaab; it is simply too small, it has no geniune case and they do not know what they want. I urge these members of the diasporara to stop being oppertunistic and stop splaying with the peace of the people who live in those areas without a clear alternative; there is no place for clan-based politics as it is unviable, illogical and only leads to instability.

If anything, this can only be called 'buuhoodle town' or parts of sool and sanaag (PSS). Though i am hopeful that this will be resolved (peacufully), the people in PSS could benefit from being in Somaliland. Somaliland is inclusive, unlike Puntland it is a multi-clan democracy, they would have equal rights and oppertunities; they would have better development oppertunities because of the better environment, the peace is also more stable qallowing the people to focus on development rather then peace maintenance. If all else fails, PSS will be resolved and it is not likely to undermine Somaliland's independence


politically, we have taken different courses;

Somaliland poeple love peace and have done a lot to preserve that peace, the establishment of 'Somaliland' country has filled the power vacuum left by the siad barre government and assured the peace of Somaliland; something south Somalia failed to do; Something puntland failed to do untill very recently and is still in the process of doing. So we have assumed a different identity that is Somalilander, the peaceful, democratic, progressive, inclusive (many clans and hundreds of thousands of refugeed from the south), developing side of Somalis.

To say that Somalilanders are somehow rejecting Somalinimo is bullshit, we have just decided a more peaceful political path; i mean it has been 20 years, how long do you expect Somalilanders to wait for southern Somalia? 25, 30, 40, 50 years. Could Somaliland not do more to establish peace if it were independent and had greater economic resources and it was assured (because of its independence) that if it tried to interfere and bring peace to the south, this would not be at the cost of its own peace and existence; as in djibouti's case.

2) Does Puntland not have a flag, government, police, army and its people call themselves 'Puntlanders' - and in contrast to Somaliland, Puntland can be defined as a 'one clan country' - that is majeerteen and other clans are allowed very little political activity. I have above, explained the reason for Somaliland independence; why is it so inconceivable that Somaliland have a flag seperate of Somalia anyhow?

3) If you argue that Somaliland has to be part of Somalia becuase of the dream of Somaliweyn (which i kind of agtree with by theway; SOmaliweyn that is, not re-union) why are you so myopic that you still consider that the only mechanism through which this can be achieved is through Somalia; bringing peace to (Southern) somalia is a very complex matter, if Djabouti and Somaliland are independent and peacefull, and Puntland is 'autonomous' within Somalia, does this not allow a framwork to achieve a union similar to the E.U in which Somali countries can work together to achieve their objectives (1) peace in Somalia (2) free Ogaden (which is vital for Somalia's long term existance) (3) free the NFD (4) independence of Oromia (5) working together with Egypt, (North) Sudan and Eritrea. The first (peace in Somalia) could possibly be achieved withoutout compromising their own peace and stability. The biggest misconception is that Somalia is the only mechanism through which Somali unity/independence can be achieved. One has to ask what the purpose of Somali weyn was, it was a means to an end not an end itself.

There are differnt ways to do the same thing, different routes to reach the same destination so as your situation changes so must you strategy. When your car breaks down, take the bike, when its tyres puncture hitch a hike, then run, walk, crawl etc you get the idea.

A qoute goes along the lines of:"We have no perpetual enemies or allies, we have perpetual interests and it those that it is our duty to persue".

4)



Yes Somaliland is inhabited by several clans but, to say that 3/4 of these clans don't want Somaliland then that is flase; further still this is even more false if one does not consider the propoertions of these clans in terms of the population; even further still, this is even less true if one does not consider the percented of each clan that does support Somaliland. So it can be said that a proportion of 1 out of the 4 clans does not support Somaliland; which is a small percent considering that say, clan 1, is 60%, in addition to the other two clans for, the opposing segemnt of the one clan represent a vert small percentage of the population. In any case, if the alternative to Somaliland is Somalia, a failed anarchic state, then the name aside, each country's attributes will bring it or lose it support; that means war, anarchy, hunger, disease, lawlessness, corruption, warlords, piracy, bombings and assasinations v.s. peace, development, oppertunities, inclusiveness, democracy, law and order. Hmm where would you go.

5)


It is inconceivable to me that you portray Somaliland and its people as moving away from Somalinimo when infact they are salvaging it, that you say they are taking away from Somalia when they are enabling themselves to contribute more. It is inconceivable to me that you focus on and create harms that may come from Somaliland independence for Somalis, whithout equally showing that advantages. It is inconceivale to me that you argue against and deligitimise Somaliland, the only mainly peaceful, democratic and developing thing to come forth from the old Somali republic and one which takes in hundreds of thousands of refugees every year from the south, without providing any genuine reasons or even an alternative.

Somaliland's existence and independence, whether recognised or not, serves to protect the peace, lives and futures of its people. And there is such a thing as de-facto independence (in-fact/in reality) and de-jure independence (legal).Somaliland is independent whether recognised or, De-Facto; Somalia doesn't exist, De-Facto. There is no Somalia to speak of, there is only war AMISOM and ALshabaab. regarding Puntland, well they are just they don't know who they want or are; they don't want the SOmalia government unless they dictate it (a case of my way or the highway) and they certainly don't want anything to do with Somaliland.

And those who say that Somaliland should take control of 'SOmalia' and make it peaceful and all this whoohaa nonsense. That is either the most disengenous/deceptive thing i have every heard or just really ill thought through. If the capital was moved to Hargeisa and a new government established there would this resolve the war in the south NO. Would this discourage of stop Alshabaab NO. Would this stop AMISOM, The U.S Ethiopia and IGAD who have their own agendas NO. Would this make Mogadishu any less important or strategic NO. It would create a power vacuum in th south for Alshabaab to fill and closing that war front it would open a new war front against the northern 'states' with HARGEISA being the new capital to fight for. Do you people actually think that Ethiopia, IGAD, U.S, U.N want what is best for Somalia NO. They will not provide the manpower, money or support that the TFG, SOmaliland or Puntland Need. They will not intervene to get rid of Alshabaab. Yet they have said that when it looks like that Alshabaab is winning (i.e. one viable power emerges as the one who runs Somalia) they will intervene. Hence the only logical conclusion is that they want the status quo to continue.

So far, no anti-Somaliland person has provided a legitimate reason Somaliland should remain part of Somalia. Apart from arguiing against and name-calling Somaliland, it might actually help to validate your viewpoint if you state reasons as to why Somaliland should be and remain part of Somalia. Furthermore, all of you, again, fail to state why the independence of Somaliland would harm Somalia or its people; and all of you ignore the ways in which Somaliland's independence might benefit Somalia and its people.

[juzme123]

Waar meel naga fadhiiso qabiil dawlad ah lama arage

qabil maxay ah adigay wax ka soo guuxaan eeh ma dawadi xaraanta eeh siyaad bare eeh daroodismka eeh qudhunka bad na mooday

Siyaad Barre's government is long gone...it's been 21 years ago since that government ruled SOMALIA.


Who are you running away from hada?

you argue against and deligitimise Somaliland, the only mainly peaceful, democratic and developing thing to come forth from the old Somali republic and one which takes in hundreds of thousands of refugees every year from the south, without providing any genuine reasons or even an alternative.

Somaliland's existence and independence, whether recognised or not, serves to protect the peace, lives and futures of its people. And there is such a thing as de-facto independence (in-fact/in reality) and de-jure independence (legal).Somaliland is independent whether recognised or, De-Facto; Somalia doesn't exist, De-Facto.

To question the ability of Somaliland to achieve independence is one thing, to question the merits or demerits of Somliland is also one thing; but to question the existance of Somaliland when it have proven that it is viable and progressing over the last 20 years (with more to come inshallah) is wrong; especially when there is no alternative. Once there is an alternative it would be possible to debate SOmaliland's independence (not that you'd win that debate either) but untill then it just doesn't make sense to verbally attack Somaliland for no good reason.

[FBISOMALIA]

politically, we have taken different courses;

2) Does Puntland not have a flag, government, police, army and its people call themselves 'Puntlanders' - and in contrast to Somaliland, Puntland can be defined as a 'one clan country' - that is majeerteen and other clans are allowed very little political activity.

sland president = isaaq

Sovereign ministries = isaaq

head of parliament = isaaq

head of garaads = isaaq

and you saying puntland waa majeerteen ....!!!!

puntland presdient = mj

sovereign ministries = (dublahantii - warasanglii - mj )

head of ismo = dulbahantii

head of parliament = awartable

next time sxb stick in your sland recognition or isaaqland

[juzme123]

politically, we have taken different courses;

2) Does Puntland not have a flag, government, police, army and its people call themselves 'Puntlanders' - and in contrast to Somaliland, Puntland can be defined as a 'one clan country' - that is majeerteen and other clans are allowed very little political activity.

sland president = isaaq

Sovereign ministries = isaaq

head of parliament = isaaq

head of garaads = isaaq

and you saying puntland waa majeerteen ....!!!!

puntland presdient = mj

sovereign ministries = (dublahantii - warasanglii - mj )

head of ismo = dulbahantii

head of parliament = awartable

next time sxb stick in your sland recognition or isaaqland

Lol is that (puntland may be a clan regime but so is Somaliland) your response . let me tell you there is quite a big difference between sub-sub clans of the same subclan and different clans altogether loool. Isaaq, Dhulbahante, Gudabuursi AND mj & dhulbahante is not the same . And even if it is the same, that is part of the point i was making.

Puntland = Pan-Daarodism with Majeerteen as leadership and under the guise of Somali nationalism'; with the 'Puntland' back-up plan of independence.

It is also deceptive that Puntland under the guise of being pro Somalia, presents Somaliland as against Somalia and tries to benefit from that situation.

Evertime I see Puntlander making a pass as being against Somaliland because they are pro-Somalia, as if they are mutually exclusive, and then present Puntland as being pro Somalia, as if, in contrast, Puntland existance and Somalia are not mutually exclusive, it makes me laugh. What a deception. What a bullshit.

[juzme123]

Puntlanders in general and FBI in particular, You can argue against Somaliland's (total) independence, but you can't argue against it's existance or its autonomy, that is without equally doing so for Puntland. The irony.

And now since the Puntland government has rejected the Transitional Federal Government of SOMALIA , your ability to even this has been marginalised. It seems like they want to dictate to the TFG and when they didn't get their way they took the highway (My way or the highway!). So Puntland and Puntlanders are disengenious about their intentions and identity and they only back Somalia HALFHEARTEDLY to make use of the aid and international assistance made avaliable to 'Somalia'. More oppertunistic than sincere and Faroole also uses Puntland relative stability as a weapon; what did he do when the last prime minister whom they supported, was sacked and replaced with Farmaajo: he threatended to pull out puntland's symbolic spport for the TFG, and i must emphisise SYMBOLIC.

And FBI were you not the one who wrote:

TFG doing soloo government for south ppl only and its like that we should care to our business

? So STFU then.

[FBISOMALIA]

holoo holoo man now im get exacting

Puntlanders in general and FBI in particular, You can argue against Somaliland's (total) independence, but you can't argue against it's existance or its autonomy, that is without equally doing so for Puntland. The irony.

my fellow friend sland is mamool everyone Recognized that same goes to galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb so don't worry regarding this point

and the only system can bring sland back is federalism and trust me sland will come back sooner or later as federal state of somalia

And now since the Puntland government has rejected the Transitional Federal Government of SOMALIA , your ability to even this has been marginalised. It seems like they want to dictate to the TFG and when they didn't get their way they took the highway (My way or the highway!). So Puntland and Puntlanders are disengenious about their intentions and identity and they only back Somalia HALFHEARTEDLY to make use of the aid and international assistance made avaliable to 'Somalia'. More oppertunistic than sincere and Faroole also uses Puntland relative stability as a weapon; what did he do when the last prime minister whom they supported, was sacked and replaced with Farmaajo: he threatended to pull out puntland's symbolic spport for the TFG, and i must emphisise SYMBOLIC.

bro first of all puntland problem begin when sheikh sariif thing as the true ruler of all somalia (siyad bari before)

sheikh sariif and the other one sariif they eating all the money of TFG ....just check when the last time salary were giving to somalia militray in xamar not mention 1000 puntland solder there saving their ass ....so im asking if we let this guy became our Representative would he give some of aid to puntland mamool do help its ppl ..everyone knows Drought heats all somalia if he is our president why he don't send us a single water or any aid ...???

until this guy remove from his place puntland will stick to its point until end .

puntland as Constitution says and ppl of state is part of somalia federalism no more no less don't forget that

And FBI were you not the one who wrote:

FBISOMALIA wrote: TFG doing soloo government for south ppl only and its like that we should care to our business

? So STFU then

im talking regarding Somalia new constitution team all of them from south ppl none from puntland

[juzme123]

holoo holoo man now im get exacting

LMAO; sxb what the hell does that mean?

[FBISOMALIA]

holoo holoo man now im get exacting

LMAO; sxb what the hell does that mean?

hooloo = hold on (iran street words) some of my fellow friends from iran so when we exacting we said hooloo it in place of "hold on"

[udun]

politically, we have taken different courses;

2) Does Puntland not have a flag, government, police, army and its people call themselves 'Puntlanders' - and in contrast to Somaliland, Puntland can be defined as a 'one clan country' - that is majeerteen and other clans are allowed very little political activity.

sland president = isaaq

Sovereign ministries = isaaq

head of parliament = isaaq

head of garaads = isaaq

and you saying puntland waa majeerteen ....!!!!

puntland presdient = mj

sovereign ministries = (dublahantii - warasanglii - mj )

head of ismo = dulbahantii

head of parliament = awartable

next time sxb stick in your sland recognition or isaaqland

[udun]

politically, we have taken different courses;

2) Does Puntland not have a flag, government, police, army and its people call themselves 'Puntlanders' - and in contrast to Somaliland, Puntland can be defined as a 'one clan country' - that is majeerteen and other clans are allowed very little political activity.

sland president = isaaq

Sovereign ministries = isaaq

head of parliament = isaaq

head of garaads = isaaq

and you saying puntland waa majeerteen ....!!!!

puntland presdient = mj

sovereign ministries = (dublahantii - warasanglii - mj )

head of ismo = dulbahantii

head of parliament = awartable

next time sxb stick in your sland recognition or isaaqland