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melo wrote:You think Salafis are one monolithic group. You think they have the same principles. It is you who is extremely obtuse. The split in Salafiyya is at a religious level primarily. They do not agree on Shariica, Jihaad or even Imaan. It might have begun as a political split- Like the Shia-Sunni split, but it has now developed into a religious battle. I suggest you step out of this conversation before you further embarrass yourself

So, wait...hold up a minute. Let me get this straight. There are different types of Salafis?

Would it be right to say, nowadays, every Religious group within Islam is politically motivated?

The_Emperior5 wrote:What i dont like about these people is these people love the life of this earth and the wealth of this earth and they are the one who pay the least zakaat and other than that they come with nonsense such as your prayers are not accepted As if they Are God yaba akhiro isla tegey how do you know it is accepted or not. But that Said Follow the teachings of prophet Muhammad csw And The Quran and his Sunnah and do not attach your self to any group or sect.

You brought up a really good point in the end, Emperiorow. But, what I'm laughing at is what you said about "Prayers are not accepted". Who on Earth has the right to Judge someone else's prayers, whether they are accepted by Allah or Not?

When did Islam become wrong?

There is no reason for confusion, let's just agree to follow in the footsteps of the prophet(pbuh). Understand the two text quran and hadiths through the understanding of the companions and their students. If we do this than is all good

Enlightened~Sista wrote:When did Islam become wrong?

Zindiiqa

Murax maxaad ii caayaysaa bishan barakeesan

Enlightened~Sista wrote:Murax maxaad ii caayaysaa bishan barakeesan

How is it a insult?

Murax wrote:

Enlightened~Sista wrote:Murax maxaad ii caayaysaa bishan barakeesan

How is it a insult?

You spelled it wrong, its Zindiq.

^^

You are addressing a female. Zindiq is for mudakar zindiqa for mu'anath

Murax wrote:^^

You are addressing a female. Zindiq is for mudakar zindiqa for mu'anath

My bad, google engine a little slow today.

So, wait...hold up a minute. Let me get this straight. There are different types of Salafis?

Would it be right to say, nowadays, every Religious group within Islam is politically motivated?

It's politics mixed with diin. The split amongst salafiyya has a huge religious component to it. I should put salafiyya in background, because i do not recognize one of the groups as being worth the name salafis. The salafi group that called our sheikh, Shariif cabdniuur a mubtadi

There is no reason for confusion, let's just agree to follow in the footsteps of the prophet(pbuh). Understand the two text quran and hadiths through the understanding of the companions and their students. If we do this than is all good

I agree, but only if it were that easy

melo wrote:

So, wait...hold up a minute. Let me get this straight. There are different types of Salafis?

Would it be right to say, nowadays, every Religious group within Islam is politically motivated?

It's politics mixed with diin. The split amongst salafiyya has a huge religious component to it. I should put salafiyya in background, because i do not recognize one of the groups as being worth the name salafis. The salafi group that called our sheikh, Shariif cabdniuur a mubtadi

There is no reason for confusion, let's just agree to follow in the footsteps of the prophet(pbuh). Understand the two text quran and hadiths through the understanding of the companions and their students. If we do this than is all good

I agree, but only if it were that easy

I know bro, is just that there are people who don't know what salafiya is all together so discussing major differences will confuse them.

Ali ra said talk to people in their level.

As for those who attack our scholar sh sharif abdinur Allah will judge between them on judgement day. Scholars wrote books on these type of stuff. There are times when two noble scholars can differ on issues and even attack each other personally because their human beings. And by this I mean what happened between sh muqbil and sharif. Ibn al jawzi has a book titled xaasid culama.. we don't go extreme on either side. Personally I think sh sharif abdinur is the biggest somali scholar alive and a few issues of ijthad like the people of Gedo asking them if they can defend themselves against invading ethiopian army will not change that fact.

A sufi brother refused to pray with me cause I was a "kaafir" according to him, judging on an association at the time. He didn't know my name, let alone what I believed.

I am not for labeling yourself as "Salafi". To make a claim with such weight is far too risky. I wonder how many of us can prove everything we say, do, and believe is in concert with the sayings, actions, and beliefs of the Sahaaba? I certainly cannot.

As for where to go to learn? In the "West", most of us know of TROID and SPubs and the chaos they caused. In my opinion, they filled a vacuum for a brief moment, wherein availability and accessibility of knowledge was made easy. Not that the individuals running the centers had great knowledge, but they utilized the internet far more than any other source. The vacuum which they filled was the language barrier between those with knowledge in and around respective cities, and the youth who may not have been looking for the deen, but were very much in need of it. In Toronto, we have the likes of Shaykh Bashiir, who is known even in the Islamic University of Madinah, to the point were teleconfrences were held with shuyukh. We also have Imam Abdulmun'im of QSS, who has been shuttling shuyukh from the mid-east and north Africa into Toronto for nearly two decades. The problem was the lack of identifying the importance of those events and the reasons they were occurring, as well as the language being spoken with the youth and the use of the internet. Alhamdulilah it seems now they've caught on. But I still find it to be a shame that Shaykh Bashiir, who is easily one of the most knowledgeable people in North America, cannot or chooses not to give open lectures to the general masses in English. So many people would benefit. Myself foremost.

As for the rifts all over the Muslim world between those who ascribe to Salafiyyah, I think it was addressed best by Murax, if I remember right. Even in the Saudi schools, you'll find one clique sporting a shaykh or group of, debating or arguing with another. Nonsense.

In the end, labels are labels, and no scholar or school will be able to help you when it truly matters.