Muslims for Progressive Values

[Shirib]

They won't be satisfied until you disbelief with them

[accident]

Genetic

I won't go out of my way to kill a faggot but I will not protect them or endorse their despicable actions. I don't want mountains to crush me.

[Shirib]

Oh please let's not pretend. This is going far and beyond the human rights act. What you are saying is you want Islam to be Holland and then some. If a Muslim in the west decides to be gay or transgender or abort a baby then go for it and it's between you and your Lord but then saying that Islam as a religion and we as Muslims should accept, promote through accepting and failing to condemn, practising homosexuality, crossdressing, abortion etc is stepping too far.

A sin is a sin, if you are Muslim live by the rules of Islam repent when you sin but do go around trying to change it into something else.

A balanced approach would be to for example, to allow people of different faiths to live peacefully amongst Muslims in a Muslim country but to accept blasphemous, derogatory or insulting texts to be published is going too far, intellectual debates and discussions aside. Outlawing forced marriage and promoting the benefits of family planning is wonderful, making abortion legal is a step too far, health reasons aside. Trying to find ways of helping homosexuals deal with their issues instead of rushing to harsh punishment is balanced, making homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle in Islam is too much, no exceptions.

You see we have a religion already. You can't rewrite it to fit in with how society is today. If Allah said that he has perfected Islam for us then the least we can do is learn about it and the context of what it teaches. Instead there seems to be this acquired prejudiced notion of Western values being more progressive and we as Muslims have started to believe this political bullcrap.

As religions grow older, they undoubtedly evolve and become more humanitarian. In the past it may have been acceptable to persecute and malign homosexuals, but that is going to stop in the 21st century. As more research is done into their sexuality, it is becoming increasingly more clear that it is largely of genetic origin. Homosexuality has even been observed in the animal kingdom, and the qu’ran itself says that animals do not have free will, thus showing that homosexuals do not choose to become that way but are born that way. It’s not something you can correct, as you insinuated. The statement I posted said nothing about promoting homosexuality, but did say that there is nothing inherently anti Islamic about granting homosexuals their full and unhindered rights. Nevertheless I am not surprised that some folks on this forum would fake outrage over this non-issue to score some cheap points by appealing to the persuasive prejudice against that group.

Furthermore you must accept that people have different views on matters of faith, and should be free to express themselves so long as they do it peacefully. There is no compulsion in religion, and some choose to practice a religion other than Islam or have no religion whatsoever. Freedom of speech and liberty of conscious is a fundamental human right. If someone wishes to criticize Islam, while I may not agree with their ideas I certainly agree that they have a right to freely express themselves. You discredit the erroneous ideas of other people, you don’t try to eliminate them because that will inevitably result in failure. Take for example the cartoon that was drawn of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Denmark. What did the riots in Pakistan and Afghan achieve? They simply gave notoriety to the cartoonist and saw to it that those very cartoons became published all throughout the world.

The message of Islam is eternal and perfect, and obviously everyone who considers themselves Muslims agrees with this. But the message of Islam is one that can be interpreted many different ways, as evidenced by the great diversity of religious thought within Islam itself. The goal isn’t to rewrite nor undermine Islam, but to revitalize discourse on Islamic theology as has been done before in a contemporary context. Obviously there will be resistance from obscurantist and those with a backward mentality, but that is to be expected and will in time be overcome.

I never got this genetic origin thing which has zero evidence btw. But lets say that I decide to go out and have sex with a man today, is it because its in my genes? What kinda bs is that.

[abdisamad3]

I pray to allah to protect us all true muslims from the likes of union and his satanic views,

[The_Emperior5]

They won't be satisfied until you disbelief with them

NACAM BILA THAT IS SO TRUE

[Alchemist]

Union is gaal and not only that but his the worst type of gaal. His the type to wage war against Islam night and day to deviate people. trying to reason with him about Islam is a waste of time and energy.

[accident]

All of you are extremists. One of you is saying homosexuality is alright while the rest are Takfiri calling people apostates over a forum.

[abdisamad3]

All of you are extremists. One of you is saying homosexuality is alright while the rest are Takfiri calling people apostates over a forum.

this union character think he can change islam like the europeans changed the church, I know all about this, but he forget the kutab of allah cannot be changed many before him tried and failed miserably,,,

[abdisamad3]

Union is gaal and not only that but his the worst type of gaal. His the type to wage war against Islam night and day to deviate people. trying to reason with him about Islam is a waste of time and energy.

indeed,

[Beenaale_No1]

I don't care for homosexuals. I have no problem with them. But gays are the least of our worries anyway. Look at the bigger picture.

As Abdisamad said, lakum dinakum waliya deen. People want to impose their version of Islam on people. I don't care whether someone is Shia, Christian, Druze, Jews, Atheist, Agnostic etc. as long as they dont bash deenta, they can live in our country peacefully and have the right to be protected. If they start spreading propaganda and insults diinta then they shall be dealt with according to the law i.e. hate speech.

You mofos are so desperate to tell people how to run their lives, how to dress, what to do etc. as if you hypocrites have the moral high ground on anything. I will NEVER accept some Somali towelhead dhagacs ass licker telling me to live according to his version of Islam.

You guys don't know the word dulqaad. Everything waa qasab, otherwise I'll be labelled Kaafir No wonder we are in a mess.

Dont agree with us = GAAL BAA TAHAY OMGZ

[Beenaale_No1]

All of you are extremists. One of you is saying homosexuality is alright while the rest are Takfiri calling people apostates over a forum.

If you don't agree with them gaal baa tahay.

[accident]

I don't care for homosexuals. I have no problem with them. But gays are the least of our worries anyway. Look at the bigger picture.

As Abdisamad said, lakum dinakum waliya deen. People want to impose their version of Islam on people. I don't care whether someone is Shia, Christian, Druze, Jews, Atheist, Agnostic etc. as long as they dont bash deenta, they can live in our country peacefully and have the right to be protected. If they start spreading propaganda and insults diinta then they shall be dealt with according to the law i.e. hate speech.

You mofos are so desperate to tell people how to run their lives, how to dress, what to do etc. as if you hypocrites have the moral high ground on anything. I will NEVER accept some Somali towelhead dhagacs ass licker telling me to live according to his version of Islam.

You guys don't know the word dulqaad. Everything waa qasab, otherwise I'll be labelled Kaafir No wonder we are in a mess.

Dont agree with us = GAAL BAA TAHAY OMGZ

^^ This is the balance you guys need.

[abdisamad3]

benaale look who made the topic before you accuse any one of forcing you to do anything,

[abdisamad3]

All of you are extremists. One of you is saying homosexuality is alright while the rest are Takfiri calling people apostates over a forum.

If you don't agree with them gaal baa tahay.

its very simple man go back and read what union wrote, and tell me if that is not gaalnimo, iam not a learned muslim scholar but that is clear gaalnimo what he wrote there,the problem is you securalist Somalis hate islam yet you pretend to be muslim and cry about being called gaal, if you don't want to be labeled gaal then stop acting like one, iam not saying your gaal but if you agree with what union wrote then clearly your not muslim, well maybe in your view your but if we go and ask the scholar of islam they will tell your a gaal,

[abdisamad3]

This motherfuckers ruined by good friday walahi,,my blood is boiling now, ciil badana,