Why Western Somalia is a better name than Ogadenia

[udun]

The_Patriot . If you are actually aware of the history of Somaliland you will know that we politically lobbied for Haud/Reserve Area to be reunited with Somaliland upon Somaliland gaining independence.Our politicans and Suldaans lobbied for it but unfortunately it was unsuccessful due to some factors. Another mistake was when we rejoined Somalia out of Somalinimo, even though into a year into the reunion a group of Somaliland men led by Col.Xassan Kayd attempted to restore the sovereignty of Somaliland via a bloodless coup.


Here is a picture of Isaaq Suldaans and politicians in London(1955) lobbying for Haud to join Somaliland.

Sultan Abdillahi Deria, Ina Duube Yare, Michael Mariano, Abdirahman Sultan Deria.

The people who went to London to lobby the British House of Commons to revert the decision that they handed over Somali territory to Ethiopia were not Isaaqs alone. Mohamed Aadan Qaybe and Suldaan of Ogaden - Reer Isaaq Suldan Biixi Foolay were also part in that delegation.

[udun]

The Ogadenia name is the correct one, and ONLF is fighting for a noble struggle. It is a region that is mostly inhabited by Absame communities, where Ogaadeen are the lasrgest ethnic group in that Somali region. All of the struggle of that Somali region and its pain is shouldered by Absame in general and Ogadens in particular. The name is also historic and it was always refered to Ogaden. Therefore, Ogadenia name is the correct one.

Somalis here are talking about what name Somalis in the Ogadenia should choose when the whole Somali Republic is on the brink that can be erased from the world map. I am not sure how Somalis lost prespective when the independent Somali Republic is being dismembered.

[Colonel]

^ Well said, I don't understand why hawiye who have enough problems of their own in xamar must concern themselves with the name of Ogaden. The place has been called as such for centuries, the people fighting for it are Ogaden while other tribes are drinking tea yet they have the audacity to ask for a name change.

The only time Somalis fought for Ogaden was at the time of MSB ( May Allah reward him for it) apart from that they have been nowhere to be found. When the land is liberated Ogaden shall be an independent nation inshallah, why should we want to be part of a country who is ruled by a dozen Bantu nations? Indeed I can see why Somaliland wants nothing to do with Somalia.

Get your priorities in order hawiye, this past few days alone we've had a few of them come in with this crap while Uganda/Burundi are in control of xamar...but they don't mind taking orders do they? As long as its not from other Somalis of course.

[metamorphosis]

^ I THINK they are resentful because darood is every corner of east africa while they are confined in xamar. Puntland and khaatumo ob top jubbaland on the bottom and ogadenya a land as big as somalia on its own.

[DANGIRL]

Blackvelvet,

Why place so much emphasis on a name? why not worry about more pressing issues like the genocide thats taking place and direct your angry toward the woyane regime that's been oppressing our people for so long. Instead of giving yourself hot flashes over the name, why dont you write to your MP voicing the the deliberate and systematic destruction thats taking place, but if you don't want to do that, you can always mind your business.

Greenday,

You seem like an airhead that goes where the wind blows.I don't see the need for you inject your two cent where it's not needed. Such matters like this are beyond your ken and what is beyond your ken should be left alone. Now, take a several seat over there.

[BlackVelvet]

Okay let's take a few steps back. I understand that this is a sensitive subject for a lot of people. I am not saying take the identity of the place away. The issue is merely discussing how to better the cause of the people in that region. I have not insulted anyone, I am not trying to take that land away from anyone. The issue is merely thinking about how to better reach the goal of liberation. And for that I argue that Western Somalia is a better name.

Counter arguments so far have not addressed the point of my argument. Apart from Based who argues that the Ogaden will not be joining Somalia but becoming a self-governing nation. That is an interesting argument however if the right to self-governance is argued on a basis of ethnicity does that really further the cause for liberation in an African context?


To the rest who think that I am saying change the name to attract more followers you are missing the point. This is not confined to what happens in the Ogaden or in Ethiopia this is about creating internationally recognised legitimacy. For example technically speaking Abyssinia was a tiny land that did not infact include the Ogaden but they chose Ethiopia because that land was much bigger therefore making it seemingly acceptable for Abyssinia to gain control over Somali lands. Somalia however has been able to resist this attempt, Ogaden should align itself with its history and its people in the sense of being Somali, that would go a long way.

[SheikhExecutive]

We fought the bigger evil at that particular time and that was the dictatorship government.

You didn't fight the bigger evil, you were created by the enemy of Somalia to bring down the government, at the same time you were slaughtering Ogaden refugees that had been displaced.

[SheikhExecutive]

Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

[BlackVelvet]

Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

Hang on, why are you going out of your way to turn this thread into a Hawiye vs. Ogadeen thing?

[ina aadan]

Xili lagu mashquulo magac iyo wax caynkaasa laguma jiro, e waa xiligii kala guurka oo layska qaadilahaa gumaystaha.

[XaliimoFarax]

Xili lagu mashquulo magac iyo wax caynkaasa laguma jiro, e waa xiligii kala guurka oo layska qaadilahaa gumaystaha.

Viva Ogadenia

Viva ONLF

[SheikhExecutive]

Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

Hang on, why are you going out of your way to turn this thread into a Hawiye vs. Ogadeen thing?

I am not turning anyone against each other, I am directly addressing your point. Why not name it after your tribe and start a struggle against Meles in your tribes name to legitimise the cause??

[BlackVelvet]

Xili lagu mashquulo magac iyo wax caynkaasa laguma jiro, e waa xiligii kala guurka oo layska qaadilahaa gumaystaha.

Su'aasha marka maxaa waaye, magaca ma faido which helps in the cause or ma dhib that holds liberation back?

[EEGA9]

I thought the reason Western Somalia/Soomaali Galbeed was avoided by the ONLF was because it implied one country (Somalia) attempting to claim and/or annex a region of another sovereign state. As it currently stands, the ONLF is an indigenous organization dedicated to liberating the region from the Ethiopian central government's illegitimate rule, and not Somalia attempting to infringe upon the territory of another state.

According to the ONLF, "The Ogaden cause is not at the heart of a dispute between the Republic of Somalia and Ethiopia. It is one of the visages of European colonialism in Africa. It is the cause of a nation betrayed by Britain and other colonial powers and annexed by Ethiopia in a manner contrary to the agreements concluded between the Ogaden people and Britain and in conflict with International Law and the charter of the United Nations."

Somali irredentism is, for the moment, dead. This is a far better strategy, a stance with which I wholeheartedly agree with

On point...

The reason Somalia received little support from the International Community in the 77 war was simply because from there view Somalia was infringing on the sovereignty of a U.N member state, annexation is not and will not be the solution to the occupation of the Somali people in the Ogaden.The Somali people of the Ogaden must themselves overthrow the regime and under the principle of self determination decide upon there future.The politics of Somali Galbeed although noble excused Ethiopia from been annihilated with Somalia's very public aim of establishing Greater Somalia proving to be unfavorable to the "powers", the safe option would have been to support the WSLF who by that time had crippled Ethiopia through out the region without intervening officially.

[BlackVelvet]

Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

Hang on, why are you going out of your way to turn this thread into a Hawiye vs. Ogadeen thing?

I am not turning anyone against each other, I am directly addressing your point. Why not name it after your tribe and start a struggle against Meles in your tribes name to legitimise the cause??

You are trying to turn people against one another, that is very obvious. What I don't understand is why.

Read the opening post, ethnicity is not a good enough argument, especially not in Africa where 10s of different tribes live together in practically every country.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than trying to get people worked up then I suggest you go find something else to do with your time.