Which rivalry goes deeper

[Khalid Ali]

see sade boi my point now its talxe and Gaaljecel and the gaaljecel will say reer digaag sakaaro versus talxe weyee u can break it down into sub sub clans.
As for gobolada Darood live in some gobols but there are only a few gobols they exclusively particularly the Bari nugaal and north mudug and gedo even though there are some small Minority rahanweyn in gedo according to Shirib and Jubooyinka they cant claim you have Tunni macalin weyne jido geelidle luway boqorhole dabare xogah asharaaf gaaljecel than you have bantu you have also sheikhaal and you have harti and absame and Merexaan.

in The Somaliland republic you will mainly find darods in the eastern sanaag region and eastern sool region and the Southern part of the buhoodle district

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

The message of marexaar siyaasi sadboi is:
If Faqashtu were united, they would dominate isaaq and hawiye. Now only some subclans( dhibbahante vs all of isaaq, mareexaars and majareerteen vs all of hawiye)are on the battlefield of war and politics.
War wuxu been badnaa.

[Thuganomics]

The message of marexaar siyaasi sadboi is:
If Faqashtu were united, they would dominate isaaq and hawiye. Now only some subclans( dhibbahante vs all of isaaq, mareexaars and majareerteen vs all of hawiye)are on the battlefield of war and politics.
War wuxu been badnaa.

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[whitehartlane]

The message of marexaar siyaasi sadboi is:
If Faqashtu were united, they would dominate isaaq and hawiye. Now only some subclans( dhibbahante vs all of isaaq, mareexaars and majareerteen vs all of hawiye)are on the battlefield of war and politics.
War wuxu been badnaa.

war nimanyahow isku xishooda

If darood was cut into 3 pieces Harti Sade and Ogaden (Ogaden reinstated into Somalia, that is)
We still be very much individually be financial political and militarily be a force in Somalia.

Fact:Hawiye and isaaq wouldn't survive such a devastating break..


Or u gonna tell me now that Habar Gidir or Habar jeclo alone would challenge harti (youngest of the daroods) politically financially or even militarily.. Isaaq combined can't challenge today an incomplete harti...

Don't even talk about Ogaden and mareexaan...

Lakiin I am not blaming you guys for your delusional delusions. I am blaming on the darood kids that are debating with you guys on this particular subject

[Eaglehawk]

when the isaaq say we fought ogadeen the realy mean we fought ali iyo haruun who are a sub group of maxamed zubeer reer isaaq.
when did isaaq ever fight cawliyahan who second largest and maybe the largest single somali sub sub clan

gabay isaaq calacal

Dhulku wuxuu caddaadaa markuu, mayay ka caagaaye

Ceeryaamo roob maleh hadday, curato jiilaale

Warka xalayto Cadan iigu yimid, cudurkan lay saaray

Cududaha sidii layga xidhay, calawga uurkayga

Cagta socodka ciir-ciirisee, lawga ka cuslaatay

Waa midaan canaanteeda qabay, ceebtan igu taale

Maantana tolkaan ku camirraa, cawdu ma u duushay

Cali iyo Haaruun miyaa, gabal Isaaq ciilay

Cabdi Bari miyaa go'ay sidii, madag cuf loo waayey

Ma canbaar-cadkii baa la jaray, curaddadii Iido

Caleen jilicday saw Reer Gobdoon, caawa kama liito

Cabdi Ciise caalsaarriddii, Ciise iyo Iidle

Ma carsaanyo jaban baa raggii, caaradka u joogtay

Carfigii miyaa layga ridey, calankii guudkayga

Ma carjabay shisheeyuhu baguu, caawa lee yahaye

[sadeboi]

The message of marexaar siyaasi sadboi is:
If Faqashtu were united, they would dominate isaaq and hawiye. Now only some subclans( dhibbahante vs all of isaaq, mareexaars and majareerteen vs all of hawiye)are on the battlefield of war and politics.
War wuxu been badnaa.

Dude no qabyaalad but habergider only fight with wagerdhac cumar muxamoud and reer diini...forget marexaan iyo majeerteen oo idil ah...only 91 aye marexaan iyo majeerteen is arkeen Hawley fully...isaqneh reer isaq o qarne ka hor iyo dhuulos ayee iminka is dagalaan..Darood isma oo idil ah isma arkin

[HaragWafi85]

I don't know this Harti vs Isaaq nonsense you guys are trying to talk about. Within Somaliland they only have a border with sections of Sacad Yoonis,Musa Ismaaciil, also on the Habar Jeclo side it's sections of Maxamed & Musa Abokar that share a border with them. They don't even see the rest of the Duriiyaada groups. Throughout history it has always been sections of HJ and eastern HY that were engaged in clan warfare with them.Land grabbing from the Hartis in the east. As their websites would testify.


Siilaanyo waa Carab Dheere kale.
http://allssc.com/?p=4270

[The_Emperior5]

Eaglehawk forget about clans and subclans chasing each other one of the best darod ogaden poets is describing the Habaryoonis Clan chiefs and how he wants them to be killed adna qabil baad ka hadlaysa

Bahdii nimay u heedhaa qabiil, laga hawaystaaye
Cawad Khuurshe oon lala helayn, holoca baaruuda
Amaan Jaamac hilibkiisa weyn, haada la cunsiinin
Hogaduu fadhiyey Muruq-liqoon, heermay laga yeelin
Ama aan Maxamed lagu haanjarayn, haalig la afeeyay
Faarax Suusle oon lala hormarin, gumac haliilaaya
Hadaydaan raggaa hidin karayn, haad in laga dhowrto
Ku hungowde Habar Yoonisood, Hawd kadayataane

This is Maxammad cumar dage

Cawad khuurshe was the muse care clan chief
Farax suusle was another caaqil
Amaan jamac was reer caynaashe


And this was Qamaan bulxan Maxammad subeer reer cabdulle begging the habaryoonis to leave his land
Qamaan bulxan is considered the best Darood ogaden poet he is breaking them down into sub sub sub clans Isxaaq care reer sugulle


Cismaanow guddoontaye, haddaad galab caraabeyso
Gaadiyo libaax kuguma helo, guraha Miiroode
Guuraha Ilaah kuguma dhibo, gaanlihii socode
Goobtaydun tiileen markaad, gaadho Habar-Yoonis
Isaxaaq guudkiisa koriyo, guban kuwii yiiley
Gaydh-gaydha reer Sugulliyo, gurarka Reer Jaamac
Seedow adaan kuu gartaye, geli akhbaartayda



Galka ceelka daartii inaan, guri ka meegaaray
Guddi Reer Warfaa oo tolnnimo, goob u wada yaalla
Oo geed intuu soo dhexmaray, nin u guddoon dhiibtay
Oo ay guddidu soo fadhido, gebigan hoostiisa
Ooy gadanka Baar-Jeex ka fuli, goodirtaan dhaqanay
Godobtayda lama qaadi karo, Gaaliyo Islaane
Geyiga nooga taga, waxaad qabtaan xaqoo gaada lehe

[Teeri]

Emperior...Darood as a collective ma fiicano in la isticmaalo..

Isaq vs Dhulbahante (sometimes Harti when mjs used to get in)

Hawiye vs Majeertaan iyo Marexaan (politics...and civil war era)

Ogadeen barely is involved with you lot or hawiye...like someone said Darood is a huge clan that is involved political and in conflicts everywhere..in Somalia (in SSC..Puntland...Central Somalia...Jubbaland) Kenya and Ethiopia....marka to just throw around the Daarood name waa a lie...the Lelkase in Goldogob or Warsangali in Lasqoorey or the Majeertaan in Galkacyo or the Marexaan in Caabudwaaq or Garbahaarey or the Ogaden in Godey or Garissa don't have any battles or association with Somaliland...waa hal juffo of Daarood ah oo Kablalax ah oo Koombe ah or Harti...waa nimanka siciid harti ee walaalo iska celi ama naga aamus magac Darood aad iska shegeysiin ayaba ii dhibaya..

Sade boi the sultan was talking about the late 19 18 century and begin 20 century rivalry between the mainly the Habr Yunis And ciidagale Isaaq subclans versus the various Absame darood subclans. And than the hartis in the east with also mainly interaction between the sections of the Hy and eastern Hjs, But that was the passed not now and days since now and days the Absame Darood subclans and isaaq habr magaalde subclans can get along fine but i was talking about the passed. We can always break things into subclans but what is the point.it will only get more confusing as we will get into more sub sub sub clan. Sxb where do you get that there is a conflict between us and the Dhulbahantes this is not a clan matter xilgii qabilka walaga tagay maanta sheeko qabil ma socdo eeh wa siyasad, but sade boi we are talking about the large part ofcourse sacad does not interact with cismaan maxamuud but he does with leelkase cumar maxamuud the darods the cayr does the same with the Merexaan in gobolada dhexe u can call your kuwini magacyada diniga badna laakin dee nimanku wa Merexaan that is true the Ogaden and hawiye hardly deal there are only karanles who live in Ogadeniya but degodia live in nfd with the ogadens so we can say ogaden and hawiye na way is arkaan now Merexaan iyo Majeerteen iyo Ogaden qaar iyo leelkase wey is aarkaan Hawiye. Isaaq na harti iyo Absame way isi so gaadhan xiligi beriga foga iyo xiligan baa so dee ta weyn baynu ka qadanayna sada boyow.

the idoor vrs reer Isaaq (Mohamed ZUbeer), to be honest it is not even isaaq vrs Ogaden, its mainly Cidaagale vrs reer isaaq, and also garhajis vrs reer dalal ( a sub sub sub sub clan of reer cabdulleh)

though we are not neighbours as one lives in puntland, and the other lives in Ogadeniya, NFD and Jubbaland, there is a strong hate from majertein towards Ogaden, this is cuqdad for mainly being more numerous then them and worries about future political rivalry. but neighbourly wise, you dont see Makhail who neighbours the Mj on puntland/Ogadeniya border fighting physically, with mkahail being tough worries, they know this would be suicidal for them.

the Cabudwaq and MZ in the NFD are mostly hated by the DEgodia and to a lesser extent by ajuuran, the ogadens are also hated by the borana in mandeera. but this hate is the natural expression of these people being ruled before the British came along and the Absames having most influence in the kenyan governemnt since kenyan independence.

though MZ is less in the NFD, the degodia rivalry was intensified during a 1992 war between the 2 which was started by degodia trying exploit the somali situation and got a bit arrogant till MZ/Absame brought them back to their natural order.

Absame doesnt see MR as a rival, that is an insult,

[Teeri]

when the isaaq say we fought ogadeen the realy mean we fought ali iyo haruun who are a sub group of maxamed zubeer reer isaaq.
when did isaaq ever fight cawliyahan who second largest and maybe the largest single somali sub sub clan

gabay isaaq calacal

Dhulku wuxuu caddaadaa markuu, mayay ka caagaaye

Ceeryaamo roob maleh hadday, curato jiilaale

Warka xalayto Cadan iigu yimid, cudurkan lay saaray

Cududaha sidii layga xidhay, calawga uurkayga

Cagta socodka ciir-ciirisee, lawga ka cuslaatay

Waa midaan canaanteeda qabay, ceebtan igu taale

Maantana tolkaan ku camirraa, cawdu ma u duushay

Cali iyo Haaruun miyaa, gabal Isaaq ciilay

Cabdi Bari miyaa go'ay sidii, madag cuf loo waayey

Ma canbaar-cadkii baa la jaray, curaddadii Iido

Caleen jilicday saw Reer Gobdoon, caawa kama liito

Cabdi Ciise caalsaarriddii, Ciise iyo Iidle

Ma carsaanyo jaban baa raggii, caaradka u joogtay

Carfigii miyaa layga ridey, calankii guudkayga

Ma carjabay shisheeyuhu baguu, caawa lee yahaye

this is true, like is siad earlier, its Reer Isaaq, mainly ali and reer dalal, who are a sub sub sub sub sub, basically reer dalal live in qabridahre and count 9 sub clans to MZ.

now way did idoor ever fight Cawlyahan, there is no contact with them, this is like saying Majertein fought with Cabudwaq Ogaden found in Garrisa. Cawlyahan live in afdheer province, Bay, bakool, Jubbaland and the NFD, this huge subclan is only second to MZ, even not more then them, they are easily like isse, idoor, and abgal but together and they se#till outnumber them all i mentioned.

the closest idoor has even come to fighting cawlyahan is the TFG/Raskamboni boys fighting idoor led alshaytan

[Teeri]

The message of marexaar siyaasi sadboi is:
If Faqashtu were united, they would dominate isaaq and hawiye. Now only some subclans( dhibbahante vs all of isaaq, mareexaars and majareerteen vs all of hawiye)are on the battlefield of war and politics.
War wuxu been badnaa.

war nimanyahow isku xishooda

If darood was cut into 3 pieces Harti Sade and Ogaden (Ogaden reinstated into Somalia, that is)
We still be very much individually be financial political and militarily be a force in Somalia.

Fact:Hawiye and isaaq wouldn't survive such a devastating break..


Or u gonna tell me now that Habar Gidir or Habar jeclo alone would challenge harti (youngest of the daroods) politically financially or even militarily.. Isaaq combined can't challenge today an incomplete harti...

Don't even talk about Ogaden and mareexaan...

Lakiin I am not blaming you guys for your delusional delusions. I am blaming on the darood kids that are debating with you guys on this particular subject

the problem is darood is soo huge. if only darood sons were united. imagine if Ogadeniya was put into with somali, like 12 million people, and the NFD, a further 3 million. Idoor needs a little break, he is surrounded on all sides by daroods and the other by the sea. its actually good for darood to be away into 3 different nations, can you imagine the constant beef.

i dont blame them for their fear, likethe poem writen by the hawiiye diplomat, he went to kenya for a meeting to meet with their foreign ministers around 81, he meet the FM of kenya, ethiopia and somalia and noticed they were all Ogaden. the guy was shocked at how influential these guys become, he described as akin to jews who inflatre every where and adapt. if we were united............................

[abdirisak22]

Qolkaani wuxuu noqday Musqul meel banaan ku taala oo inta wax ma garadka ah ay ku kaadkaadshaan. kuligiin maangaabyo qurun ah ayaad tihiin.
reer hebel waa wixii meeshaas xilka leh ee aan naalo na dhiggay.

Ka hadla wiilasha gaagaaban ee Tigre oo inta silsilada rasaasta ah sidii Rambo isku soo hila maalin walba walaalihiin hortiina ku dila ama kaxeesta sidii ay ka dhasheen haaweey maato ah...... Boorame, Beledweyn, Beledxaawo, Luuq, Baydhabo, Gaalkacyo, Hargeysa and Balanbale ayay ka dhacdaa maalin walba idinkuna rer hebl baa reer hebel ka baddan ama ka adag baad halkaan la soo shir tagteen. Soomaalidu iyagaa geesinimo is ku leh.

Gun baad kuligiin tihiin.....Aan ooyee albaabka ii Xira?