Mareeg State president

[sahal80]

Sahal, Moobleen are Mudulood

they become part of mudulood for protection, hawadle use to protect them from gugundhabe before the arrival of mudulood hiraab. " udeejeen/mobileen occupied the territory inhabited today by the hawadle then badicadde and galjecel chesed them away from there and they fled then the badicadde and gaaljecel were in turn driven out by hawadle"
mobileen speak north westren somali accent.

It seems that for some even acknowledging the very identity of Hawiye brings nightmares. Hence, the consistent attempt to dilute & deny the Hawiye ancestry of Hawiye clans.

In this case this Sahal character claims Mobleen Osman the sibling of Abgaal & Wacdaan Osman & the grandsons of Mudulood through Darandoole Mudulood as being non-Mudulood. No facts are presented to substantiate his claims. Just a sweeping shock statement meant to further the hilarious idea that only Abgaal & Habar Gidir are Hawiye while at the same time making the grand conclusion that Hawiye is a confederation. It's an idea deeply rooted in hatred as its fictitious.

no, no, im not implying that, who talked about hawiye? we are talking about the evolution of the southren groups like mudulood hiraab, xawaadle, gugundhabe and ajuuraan so, in this contex wich one is mobileen hails from? that is it. anyways hawadle and mobileen are great friends.
http://www.realtaleex.com/2012/02/11/ma ... an-sawiro/

[greenday]

Love the hoobey hoobey part Dayin and co need to play nice with other people if they want this state to take off

[RovingMadness]

Sahal80,

You denied the Muduloodnimo of Mobleen Osman. You have to show us how you reached this conclusion because right now you are the only person in the world that believes Mobleen is not Mudulood. Mudulood is a birthright; not some twisted interpretation of genealogy like certain groups. In the future, it's advisable to either present proof for these sorts of silly claims or to shut up.

[abdirisak22]

I believe Mareeg is 5 km away from Ceeldheer.....Mareeg was the seat of Ajuuraan kingdom before they Moved to Khalafo, Mogadishu and Baardheere therefore the ruins of Mareeg may hold some ancient Ajuuraan artfacts.

[greenday]

I believe Mareeg is 5 km away from Ceeldheer.....Mareeg was the seat of Ajuuraan kingdom before they Moved to Khalafo, Mogadishu and Baardheere therefore the ruins of Mareeg may hold some ancient Ajuuraan artfacts.

Who knows, we dont really hear much about this town.

[sahal80]

Sahal80,

You denied the Muduloodnimo of Mobleen Osman. You have to show us how you reached this conclusion because right now you are the only person in the world that believes Mobleen is not Mudulood. Mudulood is a birthright; not some twisted interpretation of genealogy like certain groups. In the future, it's advisable to either present proof for these sorts of silly claims or to shut up.

all im saying is that mobileen are native hiiraanians and claim being the hawadles female ancestor while the larger hawadle was protecting them!! and that mudulood had migrated from mudug, that is where i get my conclusion " in the olden times mobilen used to live in a locality called tir, the mobilen accupied the territory inhabited today by the hawadle. the mobilen tribe has thus reached its present seats to the west of the middle vally because of having been pushed out by baddi adde and gaaljeel------- in return the hawadle chaesd out badi adde and gaaljeel from there."
this is the same author who said mudlood has taken over badi adde from mareeg and middle shabeele and that they originally hail from mudug. this is what also virginia luling has said. i have another somali study about udeejeen not being mudulood but the author is not hawiye so im not gonna post it.

[RovingMadness]

Sahal80,

You denied the Muduloodnimo of Mobleen Osman. You have to show us how you reached this conclusion because right now you are the only person in the world that believes Mobleen is not Mudulood. Mudulood is a birthright; not some twisted interpretation of genealogy like certain groups. In the future, it's advisable to either present proof for these sorts of silly claims or to shut up.

all im saying is that mobileen are native hiiraanians and claim being the hawadles female ancestor while the larger hawadle was protecting them!! and that mudulood had migrated from mudug, that is where i get my conclusion " in the olden times mobilen used to live in a locality called tir, the mobilen accupied the territory inhabited today by the hawadle. the mobilen tribe has thus reached its present seats to the west of the middle vally because of having been pushed out by baddi adde and gaaljeel------- in return the hawadle chaesd out badi adde and gaaljeel from there."
this is the same author who said mudlood has taken over badi adde from mareeg and middle shabeele and that they originally hail from mudug. this is what also virginia luling has said. i have another somali study about udeejeen not being mudulood but the author is not hawiye so im not gonna post it.

Is your reading skills that pathetic that you would deduce Moobleen not being Mudulood from that passage? How did you manage to interpret a passage that essentially says Moobleen used to live in Hiiraan before migrating deeper into the Shabelle Valkey which they can currently inhabit into one that says they are not Mudulood? It's amazing what passes for evidence in these online forums. 

By the way, the blog that you posted that quote from is mine. In the future it will help if you don't misquote & misrepresent others in order to further your insecurities. Just because your identity & origins is suspect doesn't mean everyone shares your pathetic circumstances. Moobleen Osman Darandoole Mudulood are well known Mudulood subclan & your retarded attempt to mischaracterize & defame an important Mudulood subclan only shows your inferiority complex. Mudulood waa loo dhasha ee la na sheegto. 

[greenday]

No need to be rude Roving, if he made a mistake waa qaldantahay walaalkis saan waye sheekada kufilan!

[sahal80]

Sahal80,

You denied the Muduloodnimo of Mobleen Osman. You have to show us how you reached this conclusion because right now you are the only person in the world that believes Mobleen is not Mudulood. Mudulood is a birthright; not some twisted interpretation of genealogy like certain groups. In the future, it's advisable to either present proof for these sorts of silly claims or to shut up.

all im saying is that mobileen are native hiiraanians and claim being the hawadles female ancestor while the larger hawadle was protecting them!! and that mudulood had migrated from mudug, that is where i get my conclusion " in the olden times mobilen used to live in a locality called tir, the mobilen accupied the territory inhabited today by the hawadle. the mobilen tribe has thus reached its present seats to the west of the middle vally because of having been pushed out by baddi adde and gaaljeel------- in return the hawadle chaesd out badi adde and gaaljeel from there."
this is the same author who said mudlood has taken over badi adde from mareeg and middle shabeele and that they originally hail from mudug. this is what also virginia luling has said. i have another somali study about udeejeen not being mudulood but the author is not hawiye so im not gonna post it.

Is your reading skills that pathetic that you would deduce Moobleen not being Mudulood from that passage? How did you manage to interpret a passage that essentially says Moobleen used to live in Hiiraan before migrating deeper into the Shabelle Valkey which they can currently inhabit into one that says they are not Mudulood? It's amazing what passes for evidence in these online forums. 

By the way, the blog that you posted that quote from is mine. In the future it will help if you don't misquote & misrepresent others in order to further your insecurities. Just because your identity & origins is suspect doesn't mean everyone shares your pathetic circumstances. Moobleen Osman Darandoole Mudulood are well known Mudulood subclan & your retarded attempt to mischaracterize & defame an important Mudulood subclan only shows your inferiority complex. Mudulood waa loo dhasha ee la na sheegto. 

no, i have no insecurities, the same i can say about you if you are denying the ancestors of all the hiiraan clans that goes back along way to samaale, if that isnt true then the same goes for your ancestor. as you see i discredited any relationship between hawaadle and mudulood or even mobileen and just stated that they were under the larger hawadle protection until the arrival of mudulood from mudug. well, if its your blog then the words belongs to enrico ceruli.
what i meant was that the mudulood has become imamate after the fail of the ajuraan and no more tribe and hence many have joined them as citizens.
now, you as a mudulood know definitely more than me, i was expressing my views but now on i will keep them for myself as i understand its very sensible thing.

[accident]

Where's the blog?

[RovingMadness]

The Hiraab Imaamate was a military & political authority that led by the Hiraab clans ( Mudulood, Habar Gidir, Duduble & Shiikhal) & it defeated ( especially Wacdaan Osman Darandoole Mudulood) the Ajuuraan kingdom & consolidated it's power in Central & Southern Somalia till the early 1900s. Moobleen is biologically, culturally, politically & socially part & parcel of Mudulood. It did not have to join the Hiraab Imaamate simply for protection. It had a birthright claim to it. Besides, Xawadle didn't live in Hiiraan initially. Same way Mudulood did not live in the Shabelle Valley till the early 1900s. 

Xawaadle's mother is Mudulood is Mudulood & they were offered protection & raised by their maternal uncles the Udeejeen Mudulood when the other Mudulood clans wanted to kill the Xawadle infant. In fact, the very name Xawadle refers to the attempt to roll the Xawadle infant on the ground & run over by a camel. For you to say that there's no relationship between Xawadle & Mudulood shows not only your disingenuous tactics but an attempt to deny an established Somali folklore. To this day, Xawadle shares regions & culture with Mudulood. The Xawadle accent shows uncanny resemblance with the Mudulood accent in Middle Shabelle Region. 

There's no reason to deny & misinterpret important & established historical narratives especially without presenting a credible legitimate counter-argument. 

Accident,
www.operationoverload.wordpress.com

[Osob101]

I believe Mareeg is 5 km away from Ceeldheer.....Mareeg was the seat of Ajuuraan kingdom before they Moved to Khalafo, Mogadishu and Baardheere therefore the ruins of Mareeg may hold some ancient Ajuuraan artfacts.

Do you guys realize Ajuuran gave birth to Ali Cisman? Ajuuran is the Abti of Abgaal

[sahal80]

The Hiraab Imaamate was a military & political authority that led by the Hiraab clans ( Mudulood, Habar Gidir, Duduble & Shiikhal) & it defeated ( especially Wacdaan Osman Darandoole Mudulood) the Ajuuraan kingdom & consolidated it's power in Central & Southern Somalia till the early 1900s. Moobleen is biologically, culturally, politically & socially part & parcel of Mudulood. It did not have to join the Hiraab Imaamate simply for protection. It had a birthright claim to it. Besides, Xawadle didn't live in Hiiraan initially. Same way Mudulood did not live in the Shabelle Valley till the early 1900s. 

Xawaadle's mother is Mudulood is Mudulood & they were offered protection & raised by their maternal uncles the Udeejeen Mudulood when the other Mudulood clans wanted to kill the Xawadle infant. In fact, the very name Xawadle refers to the attempt to roll the Xawadle infant on the ground & run over by a camel. For you to say that there's no relationship between Xawadle & Mudulood shows not only your disingenuous tactics but an attempt to deny an established Somali folklore. To this day, Xawadle shares regions & culture with Mudulood. The Xawadle accent shows uncanny resemblance with the Mudulood accent in Middle Shabelle Region. 

There's no reason to deny & misinterpret important & established historical narratives especially without presenting a credible legitimate counter-argument. 

Accident,
http://www.operationoverload.wordpress.com

how can you ever say that WHEN XAWAADLE IS OLDER THAN HIRAAB LET ALONE MUDULOOOD!!!!!!
xawaadle is an old qawmiyad and hiiraan was theirs and the dagodia,jibidle,gaaljecel,baddi adde, awramale and garre what the historians call the pre-hawiyes or samaale groups.
you fg hiraabs had arrived from mudug in the 17 century and now you claiming protecting us and raising us!!!!
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XpdA ... li&f=false
even your female ancestor is ajuuraan!!!!!!!the historians have said that hawadle was protecting udeejeen gugundhabe how can the tiny protect the mighty!?
if i agreed that the udeejeen are native hiiraanians it doesnt mean them being older than xawaadle, i will post a link shows that hawadle had a minor hiiraan kingdom inside the ajuuraan kingdom.
dont ever tray this with me!

[sahal80]

ask raxanween they never had contacts with mudulood before the 17 century as virginia luling said but they know xawaadle from the dawn of history.
http://waajid.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/ ... an-q-2aad/

[RovingMadness]

Pre-Hawiye is a theory- a very laughable & unsubstantiated theory with absolutely no historical groundings. Xawadle is not older than Hiraab. It does not even come close. 

Xawadle fighting Ajuuraan is a mystery to me. The Gugubdhabe defeated the Ajuuraan in the Middle Shabelle Valley & then they were routed by the Mudulood & pushed down south.

These challenges led to the fragmentation of Ajuran unity; the Abgal (Gurgate Hawiyya) took control of the hinterland of Mogadishu and eventually the town itself; the El-Amir (probably Hirab Hawiyya) assumed power in Merka, the Sil’is (Gurgate) near Afgoy, and the Galjaal and Badi Ado (Guggundabe Hawiyya) along the mid-Shebelle.

The Moobleen went on to conquer new regions alone without the support & participation of the Mudulood family. They had to fight Gaaljecel & Baadicade single-handedly even though they were outnumbered. Traditional Mudulood narratives tell the story of the secluded & inward-looking Moobleen

The magic that is written, the reflection that has been inherited from the fathers, and the reckoning of the genealogies: for these three things the Abgal ‘Isman are noted. Nice greetings, food even nicer, and deceptions to the cost of the people which are being plotted: for these three things the Wa‘dan ‘Isman are noted. To remain in his own house, to cultivate his own field,  to refuse hospitality: for these three things the Mobilen are noted.Scorched forehead, light hand, and, if you touch them, they crowd against you: for these three things the Hillibi Darandólla are noted.

“I went to raid the vehemence in the tribe of the Mobilen”

The Mobilen, the singer says, are famous for the qoq,   that is, the facility with which they become excited ( qoq ) , in the dialects of the Hawiyya, is properly speaking the period of heat of animals.

It was not until the arrival of Wacdaan Osman Darandoole & Abgaal Osman Darandoole that the Gugubdhabe were pushed & today Moobleen lives in the Middle Shabelle Region in the midst of Wacdaan & Abgaal.

When you say "how can the tiny protect the mighty" I see it as nothing more than silly chest-beating. Are you seriously calling Mudulood tiny & Xawadle mighty? At this point I don't even know if you are being serious or deluded by your stupid attempt to invent a random & fictitious clan history simply to appeal to insecurities. Xawadle are respectable & honorable clan that share history, genealogy & regions with Mudulood. I do not understand what inspires your petty attempt to mischaracterize, attack & invent lies about Mudulood. It's uncalled for & reflects badly upon you & Xawadle. You should be ashamed of yourself