Jubbaland State's parliament to be 60 seats.

[guhad122]

Here is another one about how weak and irrelevant are Ilka-yars in Kismayu:
"In addition to attempting to solidify the intra-Mohamed Zubeyr alliance, Ogaden leaders plan to discuss ways to bring smaller subclans and minority clans in Lower Juba into the now predominately Darod/Kabalah alliance. Ogaden leaders told us they think they can appeal to non Ogaden/Absame subclans in Lower Juba, such as the Galjacel, Biyo Mal (Bantu), Shekal, and Awaro Mali, by offering to train their militia. In addition, Darod/Kabalah leaders are reportedly negotiating with the Darod/Marehan in Kismayo, a relatively small group that formed a tactical alliance with al-Shabaab because they did not want to lose access to Kismayo port revenues (reftel).
http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.ph ... AIROBI2457
The cable mentions GaalJecel and Cawramaleh as normal clans, but when it comes to Marehan, relatively small group
As for population, Gedo is known to be the most deserted regions in Somalia; more like Barri where there the cities are barely populated. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire Gedo has a population around 150,000 the most. Baardheere is the biggest and it has around 80,000.

[Advo]

Was with getting emotional house of Absame? even if you guys are majority and Beesha SADE is 2nd or vice verse why does it matter? ur currents deegans will not change hands. I believe SADE is majority of Jubbaland just as you believe ABSAME is, nothing wrong with that. One thing is for certain though all Jubbalites will be represented fairly

[SultanOrder]

Guhad, it doesn't matter what the population is like. We have to deal with the realities on the ground. A new state is being formed. Marexaan are the ones behind the push, and with the dropping of Azania and Gandhi's failed attempt to sideline Marexaan has also joined on board. We have two Militias positioned in the southern gobols, Raskambooni, and ASWJ. One marexaan and the other Ogaden. We also have the "tfg", with generals trying to militarily take down Shabab and trying to organize Jubbaland State. General Diini, supreme commander of the TFG forces, Dhumaal commander of the southern forces, and Col Fartaag, all marexaan. Then we have Shabab in Kismaayo and Gedo, who are Marexaan and have considerable influence. Just the other day Fiilow called for a replacement of the current govt of Kismaayo, and according to news sources Al shabab has sacked the Gov of Kismaayo since they took over. Fiilow even has his own forces in the city. Marexaan has been in control of Kismaayo for the Majority of the last 10 years. Is it realistic to think Marexaan can be sidlined, ignored, or not have considerable influence?
Let's say I give you that we are a tiny population, what does that end up tho? Tiny populations have been ruiling majority populations from the beginnings of time. You are giving us a lot of credit by saying such a tiny minority has achieved so much.

[guhad122]

Advo,
Trust me on this; this would never work. This is just dream by the diaspora communitities. The reality is Absame in the two Jubbas don't want to have administration that includes Gedo. Don't believe the hoopla. Didn't want to ruin your dream of Jubaland. Did you get the health cert for the herbs? Enjoy some hommie

[The`Republic]

Ogaden leaders told us they think they can appeal to non Ogaden/Absame subclans in Lower Juba, such as the Galjacel, Biyo Mal (Bantu), Shekal, and Awaro Mali, by offering to train their militia. In addition, Darod/Kabalah leaders are reportedly negotiating with the Darod/Marehan in Kismayo, a relatively small group that formed a tactical alliance with al-Shabaab because they did not want to lose access to Kismayo port revenues (reftel).

Source: Ogaden clan. And lol @ Biyamaal is Bantu and an even bigger lol is the chutzpah of Ogaden offering to train anyone's militia or that Gaaljecel and Shiikhaal are somehow dependent on Ogaden. All you showed the world is the fantasy world Ogaden live in as recorded from what they told people.

Might I remind you the last time there was actually a clan fight control for Kismaayo, beesha Sade ended up chasing Absame and Abdullahi Yusuf's merceneries within hours. Ilyas Badal Gaboose who self-styles himself as Azania's governer of Lower Jubba was on the BBC from Liboi asking the Ethiopians to be sent to Kismaayo.

If you want to use US Diplomatic cables why don't you use their own independent memos from their intelligence gatherings:



Leaked secret cable from US Embassy Addis Ababa



Leaked secret cable from US Embassy Nairobi

[guhad122]

Advo,
Trust me on this; this would never work. This is just dream by the diaspora communitities. The reality is Absame in the two Jubbas don't want to have administration that includes Gedo. Don't believe the hoopla. Didn't want to ruin your dream of Jubaland. Did you get the health cert for the herbs? Enjoy some hommie

Well, don't forget it was your Master Melez who armed, maintained, and kept the JVA in Kismaayu. I don't consider Ethiopia's army which is one of the biggest in Africa in as minority. Well, times have changed and Meles is long gone, let us see if you can be who you think you are midgaan yahow xun.

[guhad122]

Ogaden leaders told us they think they can appeal to non Ogaden/Absame subclans in Lower Juba, such as the Galjacel, Biyo Mal (Bantu), Shekal, and Awaro Mali, by offering to train their militia. In addition, Darod/Kabalah leaders are reportedly negotiating with the Darod/Marehan in Kismayo, a relatively small group that formed a tactical alliance with al-Shabaab because they did not want to lose access to Kismayo port revenues (reftel).

Source: Ogaden clan. And lol @ Biyamaal is Bantu and an even bigger lol is the chutzpah of Ogaden offering to train anyone's militia or that Gaaljecel and Shiikhaal are somehow dependent on Ogaden. All you showed the world is the fantasy world Ogaden live in as recorded from what they told people.

Might I remind you the last time there was actually a clan fight control for Kismaayo, beesha Sade ended up chasing Absame and Abdullahi Yusuf's merceneries within hours. Ilyas Badal Gaboose who self-styles himself as Azania's governer of Lower Jubba was on the BBC from Liboi asking the Ethiopians to be sent to Kismaayo.

If you want to use US Diplomatic cables why don't you use their own independent memos from their intelligence gatherings:



Leaked secret cable from US Embassy Addis Ababa



Leaked secret cable from US Embassy Nairobi

I never claim to be a psychic as that is a trait of Moorif and Timocase, but somehow I knew you will bring that old cable up. That cable was back in when Marehan militias and their Ceyr protectors occupied the city. You talk about Gaboose and Afbiijo administration, what are you on dude? Absame fought and died in protecting the land of Somalia from the Abyssinian highlanders in places like MoodaMoode and IIdaale. Absame, about 90%, were fighting Afbiijo. I don't know if you recall but, he even ordered cities like Afmadow and Badhaadhe to be leveled. Bring something that makes sense bud. If few Afbiijo puppets aligned themselves with Harti militia and you beat them, good for you!!! Most Absames were actually happy about that. Not me though

[DayaxJeclee]

I'm just suspicious about all these Jubbaland thing, because of the so much foriegn governments involved from China to America to Kenya, Ethiopia etc.
and that these idiots were called to Nairobi and met with all these governments and was promised $20 million that don't go through the TFG if they make Jubbaland state work.

are they planning to add Jubbaland to Kenya? are they trying to sign the Jubba sea for Kenya to extract oil? or is it just to make Kenya more stable and have a buffer zone from pirates and alshabaab.
if its later its good and everyone should support, if its the first we should reject it like AIDs

SMH , so anybody can buy the them for only $20 million. what about future Geopolitics or as they call REALpolitics.

Been ku soo xero gali runtana kula dhaqan.

[guhad122]

There is another Somali maah-maah that is very relevant and applicable to the situation the Ilka-Yar nation has found itself lately. Have you ever heard "Aabow ka yar iga celi oo ka weyn igu soo daa". The meaning of this proverb is that a coward kid would prefer to fight with the stronger and older fighter because running away would make sense Just recently the Sharif you so proudly give credit in naming new districts for the Beesha Ilka-yar named a new admin for Galguduud; and guess what Voltage. I think you already know this? The governor is Cery and the deputy governor is Dir. Why would you want to argue and challange clan 10 times bigger than you, when the smaller Cery clan is basically cleansing you from the entire Galgaduud region.
As for the Cable sources and addressing Biyo Maal as Bantu, it can't be worse source than the one that said Marehan is the majority in Kismayu. I know Kismaayu, my family is Kismayu, almost half of my family were born in Kismayu, and while you can fool the likes of EliteSomali and others OGs who don't know much about Kismayu, it aint gonna work with Sir Guhad; a true native reer Kismaayo. Back in the 1980s, a talxe by the name of Maxamuud Yare played for the Dekeda soccer league, and guess what, many locals didn't want to see a Talxe son of a butcher dad representing the noble Kista team. The only Mareexaan in Kismaayo were few Talxe butchers in the main Kawaanka, and Cascaseey. ". Kulu shey irjac asluu". And that is how things would end up. Don't get too excited bud.

[The`Republic]

Marehan don't care about Ceelbuur and Guri-ceel nor do we put value in central Somalia lands. We already have the biggest town there and the economic center and we are separated from the ruckus in the rest of the region. The reality is there has not been a single unified Galgaduud initiative that wasn't planned and based in Caabudwaaq. No one cares about Interior Minister Abdisamed named from Villa Somalia. The Dir deputy he named is his actual abti (brother to his mother) and the Ciyoow the governer he named is his second cousin. The dude came because his brother, Farmaajo's Interior Minsiter, was killed by Al Shabaab and his 2 minutes are already out.

As for Jubbaland, I am not going to waste any more time having Sade vs. Absame argument. Wallahi I do not want to put Absame down and I value strong working relationship and partnership between us, but it is beneath me to argue about Kismaayo when the debate is who can hold it, Ogaden or Marehan.

[guhad122]

Voltage,
I didn't know you lost interest in Central Somalia where all of your family members came from? The ruckus were the ones that brought you to Kismaayo
I thought you once taught us Galgaduud is majority Marexan? What happened? I was one of your curious and smart students in those lectures you gave us about Marexan being the majority in Galgaduud!! Now you are telling us that you only have Caabud-Waaq in Galgaduud? Come on Voltage; don't do that to us.

In realizing the imminent capture of Kismayu and how Absame is united in getting all their territories back, the Ilka-yars are in crisis mode and want to use the Darood credit card one more time; but the card is empty as the focking Dhabayocs have maxed the card out. You better come up with something else to stay relevant. I am or I was the majority of Kismayu aint gonna work because the righteous owner is just few kilometers away from it. Forget about Jubaland Voltage; if I were you, I would unite Gedo and provide psychiatric care for the veterans like Adeer Barre who, after long imprisonment in Ethiopian junta jails, is rumored to be suffering from Kismayutic disease; a rare form of mental illness that mostly affects patients who run long distances in short time on foot.

[The`Republic]

I never argued Marehan is majority in Galgaduud. Galgaduud has a different majority in every district. It just so happens that Caabudwaaq city is 5X bigger than the next biggest city Dhuusa-mareeb and all of the major movements that take Galgaduud have to be based in Caabudwaaq. What happens in the rest of the towns doesn't shape Caabudwaaq but what Caabudwaaq is part of shapes the whole region.

Sxb your biggest town in entire Somalia is Afmadoow and it is 1/3 the size of Beled-Xaawo. Sade is right in front of you in Beerxaani and Kismaayo and is right behind you with the line at Bu'aale now. I think you are the first to realize you are not in a position that allows you that chutzpah. The most you should aim for is compromise and you should be grateful we accept it in common decency.

p.s. I have no immediate familiy like first relatives in Somalia outisde of Jubbaland. My grandpa was born in Wardheer, he died in Jubbaland. We have exchanged the desert for rivers and rangelands.

[guhad122]

So it is a Ramadan night, and here you are saying that you never said Marehan is majority in Galguduud. In short time, you would be saying the same about Kismaayu and Jubaland because people who feed on feeble stories can't stand firm when hit by the reality. Once you realize that Gaal-Jecel is more relevant in Jubaland than you, then you will admit the truth like you just admitted that of Galgaduud. I can bring up tons of old threads where you wrote long threads about how Marexan is the majority in Galguud.
War jiraaba cakaaruu imaan. Dream about your Jubaland because here in the Great America where you and I hail from, people are free to dream and if for some reason someone's dream turns into nightmare, then you just ask your doctor to increase your prozac dosage.

[AbdiWahab252]

Guhaad,

Wlc back ina adeer Stop being unfair and let them have the future SNET Jubbaland Section

[The`Republic]

Guhad Ramadaan Karim sxb. I have done something I forsaken which is engage in meaningless tribal bravado. I only seek a working relationship and peace and fair based partnership.

Abdiwahab, dhibka jooji.