To Shake or not to Shake: That is the Question

[BlackRain]

Lol goes to show how weak my imaan is. I hug opposite gender and even some of them purposely rub their chest on me

[salool]

Gacmaha dadka waan ka wuswusa anigu, xita hada y diinta baneen laheyd waligay anigu qof gacanti ma taabten.

[Shirib]

Elf Ruler and CL,

I didn't know that the breaking of wuddu by the opposite sex differed by madhab. I like most Somali's tend to follow the shafici madhab, and always read that if you consciously touch someone of the opposite sex that your wuddu is broken.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلاةِ فاغْسِلُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُواْ بِرُؤُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَينِ وَإِن كُنتُمْ جُنُباً فَاطَّهَّرُواْ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَى أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاء أَحَدٌ مَّنكُم مِّنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاء فَلَمْ تَجِدُواْ مَاء فَتَيَمَّمُواْ صَعِيداً طَيِّباً فَامْسَحُواْ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُم مِّنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ اللّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَـكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهَّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

“O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.” [5:7 Yusuf Ali translation]

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Thanks

[BlackRain]

Gacmaha dadka waan ka wuswusa anigu, xita hada y diinta baneen laheyd waligay anigu qof gacanti ma taabten.

Lol i take it you've never done french kiss

[Enlightened~Sista]

It's not a big deal, it's not haram and like many said even necessary.
Regarding Imam As Shafi'i he even ruled that a wife's mere touch of her husband would break the wudhuu.

[Shirib]

It's not a big deal, it's not haram and like many said even necessary.
Regarding Imam As Shafi'i he even ruled that a wife's mere touch of her husband would break the wudhuu.

Yup, that's how i learned it.

[salool]

Gacmaha dadka waan ka wuswusa anigu, xita hada y diinta baneen laheyd waligay anigu qof gacanti ma taabten.

Lol i take it you've never done french kiss

[hydrogen]

Imagine the scene: A middle-aged West African woman with heavily accented English, who has transvered so many obstacles to get to where she is today: a entry-level bank teller, being told by a scrawny hoodie-wearing teenager that she's not good enough for a handshake. Because she's a woman.

My new favourite SNET user. I f-king died.

[Alchemist]

Shirib. Bro when it comes to whether touching of the opposite sex breaks wudu or not is a difference of opinion that goes back to the time of sahaba. Follow whatever of those opinions you think is correct.

As for whether touching a woman is haram or not, I don't know a single reliable scholar of this ummah that allows it. There are some moderate sheik's today that allowed it. Ibn Taymiya opinion is touching won't break wudu but he held touching non mahrams haram. Let's not mix the two issues because ibn Taymiyas opinions are well known.
For the rest. Shake, hug or kiss if you want but don't play with the religion.

[hydrogen]

It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”

He should not touch a woman who is not permissible for him. // Is this suggesting we can't sexually touch woman or generally not touch woman?

You should kill in the name of Allah to make it holy. // is this suggesting we can kill anything (even humans) as long as the name of Allah is pronounced?

This is why Islams schools of thought exist, to decode the context in which the Qu'ran and the Hadith are said in.

Another example, if a Hadith narrates the prophets saying "We shouldn't breathe this air" - Shall we stop breathing oxygen as a whole or figure out that he is infact talking about when inside a alcoholic environment?

[hydrogen]

It's not a big deal, it's not haram and like many said even necessary.
Regarding Imam As Shafi'i he even ruled that a wife's mere touch of her husband would break the wudhuu.

Yup, that's how i learned it.

That is because Somalis are Shafici Salafis, all of us have learned it that way.

[Niya]

Shaking hands is part of being courteous and polite. Everything else is about the intention one has. Did Op went to the bank to take care of financial transaction or hit on some random chick? if the former, shake the hand, if the later do a Usain Bolt

Note to self, learn more about the hanafi madhab.

[Shirib]

It's not a big deal, it's not haram and like many said even necessary.
Regarding Imam As Shafi'i he even ruled that a wife's mere touch of her husband would break the wudhuu.

Yup, that's how i learned it.

That is because Somalis are Shafici Salafis, all of us have learned it that way.

Somali's are typically Shafici,be it suufi, salafi, or whatever.

Majority of Salafi as we know them are actually usually Hanbali, or don't go for a madhab at all.

Shaking hands is part of being courteous and polite. Everything else is about the intention one has. Did Op went to the bank to take care of financial transaction or hit on some random chick? if the former, shake the hand, if the later do a Usain Bolt

Note to self, learn more about the hanafi madhab.

Do you typically follow the Hanafi madhab?

[abdikarim86]

All the four school of laws are equivalent right?
As much as I respect Imaam Shaafici, am gonna pass on that ruling.

I've only seen the handshake thing with somalis ...this explains alot

[DisplacedDiraac]

On the basis of reading the acts that nullify one's wudu. Hand shake is not one of them.

Neither the Qur'an nor the Prophet (PBUH) said a handshake is haraam. Even, the scholars refrain from saying handshake itself is haraam.

If you have evidence that says it's haraam, then please do provide.

It might not say a 'handshake' is haraam in the Qur'an.. But neither does it say it's 'Halaal'!

And regarding the Prophet *saw*.. According to authentic hadeeths the Prophet *saw* never touched the hand of any women who was not lawful to him even when they were giving their oath of allegiance.. Women would give their oath of allegiance to the Prophet *saw* in words only.. while the men would not only say it verbally.. But Prophet *saw* would also take their hands and shake it..

The Prophet *saw* was the best Muslim.. So if 'handshaking' was not haraam.. Surely he *saw* would have shook the hands of women who were engaged in something as important as the shahaada!