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lol. Ok Xeeraale sufi, kill us with your digri.

Its obvy your suffering from delusion of grandeur, seek therapy.

Ii soo digri, it might help.

Armaan wrote:^ Habaryar Giiga aka kamaal45 aka libaaxyare aka 1moonlight, apparently these broke HG/SNA sandal wearing mooriyaans have invested in S/hoose, I'd like to see a single source please? Unless your pulling strings of BS out of your rear end as usual.

Sahal wrote:Do you even know that the conflict is limited to marko-barawe highway and not to the afgooye-walawen-burhakaba high-way?
That there is no conflict in the majority of lower shabelle wich consists 7 districts that are afgooye, walawen, qoryoleey, kuntuwarey, sablaale, baraawe and MARKA

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Qoryooley isn't walking distance to Marka. Which some of the early fights started and still ongoing and seemingly made its way around the region. Not to mention their were fights in Jannale and other areas.
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Habr Gedir and Biimaal clan militias clash for a second day outide of Qoryooley. Casualities not known.

AMISOM forces set up base of operations in Danow village, outside Qoryooley.

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Qaafow forces ongoing clashes with beesha Jiiddu are deeming down if not at its peak not too long ago in Wanlaweyn
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Ciidamada Gen. Qaafow (abgaal) and Ciidamada Digil ayee dagaalkan dhexeysa over isbaaro bari hore la dhigay.

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Bottomline, all those other regions don't mount up to caasimada which is far more important. You should know that
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Sahal wrote:Gen dhagabadan has formed a DIR militia inside the SNA and HG were able to influence on hassan sheekh to remove him, since than, the army has splitted more but this move was expected or get worse

if the general was still operating in there

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Stop lying bro, your attempts at tormenting this man's legacy as being someone who supports clanish skirmishes is BS, I'm afraid your confusing this individual with your qabiliste adeer laqanyo. Gen Dhagabaden has supported and left his mark on Xamar and diminished the presence of shabab in Xamar without him and diini today; Xamar is experiencing far more tragic bombings since their departure at the same, which had nothing to do with your fiction stories. War waxaan been badana.
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Sahal wrote: In the 90s this high way was a pro-HG including biimaals, the biimaal were one of the gen aideed SNA basic elements just like the akhiro moog of sheekhaal, they got splitted after and the situation get worse during abdi qasim era where HG formed a new coalition with other central somalia elements

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Most of the orders and hits committed by SSNM was carried out by Abdi Aziz Sh. Yusuf whom betrayed his Biimaal brethens in numerous occasions which caused the friction and eventually led to splitting apart. Warsame isaaq was always clueless as what was going on, he mentioned in an interview before his death that he never supported Caydiid but it was all Abdiaziz's plan.
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Here are the 13 clans in the region which are non-hawiye aside from Sheekhaal. Where do all these other hawiye clans you mentioned live ? if not just afgoye, which I would agree.
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According to The Price of Peace: Somalia and the United Nations 1991-1994, the Biyamal are the majority clan in the Lower Shebelle (Gilkes 1994, 144).

Majorities fight while the minorities whine.
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Continue with your failed attempts at being an analyst, I'm out.

Sxb what you posted are the misleading info that's going on in the anti-govt media and this is the reason why I made these lower shabelle threads! Most people think its a biimaal region bc of these media who don't know the region and have other agendas!

Firstly there are no biimaals in walawan aka daafeed region, after the digil, there are gaaljecel and hawadle populations even my family hails from yaaqbari wayne wich is dominated by gaaljecel just like liigo up to balidoogle where the garre starts from.

Walawan as a town and region is dominated by shanta caleemo a religious group who founded the city of baardheere in gedo, they are the second after the galadi in history matters as they had power struggle in the past over who runs barawe, after the galadi invasion of baardheere, it has been destroyed since then until it was setlled by the late comers of the region og and MX

Secondly, biimaal don't live in qoryooley, after digil its hawadle followed by the new HG and old few sheekhaals

The biimaal live around qoryooley or in a villages that come under the distric of qoryooley but are located in between the sea and the river. The river starts from afgooye, goes wider abit into the westren direction in awdheegle settledd by bagadi, turns to qoryooley.

The fights around burhakabe and qoryooley are between the SNA as a result of what's going in marka and number 50 also there is a power struggle between jiido and garre over the qoryooley mayorship but the media is putting it as biimaal vs HG wich is not true

Map of the misleading media; includes awdheegle and qoryooley while biimaale are found in a villages on the sea-side of the river that are administered by qoryooley
Even if a war takes place at awdheegle its becuse of a biimaal invasion on the HG farmers not a local war at all. These digil like begadi may not mind this as biimaal are saying "they are just liberating it"

Haku daalin Shabeeldada Hoose Kudaysay

Today HG stated rebuilding old government Offices in Marka city for the Shabelle state officials to move in.
Maanta waxaa magaalada marka ka nilowday dayactitkii Xafiisyadii dowladii hore oo ay ka shaqageli doonaan Maamulka Shabelle State,

Also Maamulka Shabelle State oo kaga dhawaaqay Magaalada Marka qaar ka mid ah wasiirada maalmulka lkabada shabelle.

http://www.quracjomo.com/?p=31546
http://saadaalnews.net/?p=14851

Yariisow oo AMMISON Magan u ah qirtay in Shabelle state la wareegtay shabeelada hoose

http://dalsanradio.com/articles/6625/Ma ... pied-Marka

Sorry to inform you, your analytic views sux bigtime, same as how you're posting maps which have no correlations to the region, but further proves your fictional stories, nothing is ever factual with you, and if my memory serves me well, you've said on numerous occasions Mirifle are the majority in the region.

Osob101 wrote:

sahal80 wrote:

Even123 wrote:Thanks brother Sahal, but Im wondering on why SW state claims S/hoose as theirs when clearly S/hoose politicians refused to join them,....it makes more sense to let S/hoose join the banadiir state then SW state!

anyway i just hope federalism loses in the coming constitution elections, as we all know federalism does not suit Somalia and its people.

I'm from there, they were the majority so they have right for to do whatever but politically it doesn't woork form.

There are 4 xamar initiatives: splitting mogadishu so only wardhiigley, waaberi, cabdi casiis and xamarwayne will form the capital wich the parliament calls it a special district, the rest of banaadir will join the two shabeele known in the old days. Asthe banaadir region wich had direct borders with hiiraan and and bay. In this way, the 3 millions of mogadishu will get representation in the coming upper parliament!

The second initiative is adding hiiraan to this banaadir state under the title shabeele state

The third initiative is adding hiiraan to mudug as a central state

The las initiative is a federal state from galkacyo to jilib borders.

Are you sure your from Shabeele Hoose? Mirifle as a Clan has Zero Degmo in that region.

and you seriously claim to be from lafoole, dude I highly doubt you've even set foot in S/hoose to know the dynamics in the region, I can easily post thousands of Somalia investiaged pdf to show what an imagination you got there. But knowing you, I'm better off debating with a wall.

Continue on with your fictional stories in regards to biimaal living in outskirts and having no real degaans whereas your clan the Xawadle are gudomiyaha ku xigeenka in S/hoose. Another failed attempt as usual. Good day sir.

13 clans which clearly stated hawiye, especially HG have no degaans in S/hoose are all lairs and the media is also lying as well, and the only person who speaks the truth is Sahal and if that is your argument, you're certainly full of it. This nigga cracks me up wallahi.
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As the Bahgaal nigga, I hear niiko therapy in conjunction with baked goods seems to work

Armaan aka rabshoole!

It could be out of jahal you that you think there are biimaal every where in lower shabelle!


Let me share you my little info about the whole dir in this region

Biimaal wwho live in lower shabelle

Other dir who live in jubooyinka like jamame

The guys in jamame were allied with gen aideed and it was them who were leading biimaal in the 90s(SSNM)

Some other dir who was part of SSNM have settled in golwan, so these in golwan are not biimaal

Infact, some guys from my subclan who were born in galwan like janaral nuur caddow who had a lot of aseendooyin in there were attacked by a HG/biimaal joint forces in 94, one of my friends has lost his brother in that war

My whole argument was biimaal living inbetween the river and the sea

Luckly I found now this clonial piece of info from a dir blog while trying to get some understanding of their background.

But in reality I know this is the way things are


"According Muslim Brotherhoods in Nineteenth-Century Africa, Cambridge University Press (Martin, 1977)''', the bimal clan were living between the port of Marka and the Webi shebelli."

sahal80 wrote:

1moonlight wrote:Qofka wato whitehartlane, i will answer that question for you, HabarGidir lives in Merka, they own houses businesses and farms around Merka, so Edeb yeelo fadlan gefka iyo aflagaadada jooji.

Sahal Subax Wanaagsan sxb, Horta fikirkaada waan xushmeenayaa inkastoo aa tiri ( I am siding with Bimaal ).

Sxb waxaad dhahday HabarGidir dhulka makala taqaano, I lived in Kenya less then 2 years and i learned almost all the country and how to travel around Nairobi and outside Nairobi, so why do you think HabarGidir ineeysan dhulka Shabeelaha Hoose eeysan kala aqoon? HabarGidir Lived in Shabeelaha Hoose before 1990, Brother I have Ceyr fiends who speak af Maay, Almost 30% of HabarGidir in Shabeelaha Hoose have a Garre Digil Mother.

Digil iyo HabarGidir weey is dhaleen, Digil are 10 times stronger than Bimaal and have more weapons than Bimaal but they don't want fight HabarGidir because they control their land in Shabeelaha Hoose and they respect their HabarGidir neighbours.

Sahal sxb dadka qaar ha noqon oo u maleeyo in Ciidanka HabarGidir ee joogo Shebeelaha Hoose ee Shan beri ka hor Galgaduud ka imaadeen.

Here is Afhayeenka Hawiye talking about some of the areas HabarGidir live in Shabeelaha Hoose....
http://saadaalnews.net/?p=14419

HG have arrived in the south in 5 waves, It was the kacaan who brough them in sablaale nothwest of barawe, guys like indhacada were welcomed in there in the 70s by these locals not just them but many clans now few reer waqooyi, dir and HG have stayed after the civil war

When abdiqasim was siyaad barres interior minister, These hg district commissiors in lower shhabelle were implemented by him he also brought them in baladweyne in big numbers carrying land documents, there was big HG community in baladweyne since the mid 90s

USC era, again abdi qasim, islamic courts, hizpul islam, in these eras they settled as far as barawe, qoryooleey and jilib

So of course I'm with biimaal and other locals from a moral point

What I'm againist is them spreading lies againist the govt and being proxy war, this is againist all our interests and holds us back.

Mr Sahal if you don't mind me asking you, are you talking about the old Shabeelaha Hoose or the new Shabeelaha Hoose?
what i mean is, i know you live somewhere in Europe and i know you lived in Europe for a long time, so i am guessing you haven't been to Shabeelaha Hoose for a long time, now i am not saying you don't know anything about Shabeelaha Hoose you clearly know more than anyone on Somalinet, but the new Shabeelaha Hoose is way different than the one you grew up in were HabarGidir were minority, but the new Shabeelaha Hoose is way Different and HabarGidir are the Majority in many Degmooyin. Also there are Degmooyin uu dhisay oday Cayr ah before the Kacaan.

1moonlight wrote:

Mr Sahal if you don't mind me asking you, are you talking about the old Shabeelaha Hoose or the new Shabeelaha Hoose?
what i mean is, i know you live somewhere in Europe and i know you lived in Europe for a long time, so i am guessing you haven't been to Shabeelaha Hoose for a long time, now i am not saying you don't know anything about Shabeelaha Hoose you clearly know more than anyone on Somalinet, but the new Shabeelaha Hoose is way different than the one you grew up in were HabarGidir were minority, but the new Shabeelaha Hoose is way Different and HabarGidir are the Majority in many Degmooying. Also there are Degmooying uu dhisay oday Cayr ah before the Kacaan.[/quote]

No I haven't been to lower shabelle, I have only seen three somali towns in my whole life; lafoole, mogadishu and afgoye

My family were born in the interior more than this my dad was simsaar trader so he knows the region and speaks all its dialects!

I have many friends from that region mostly from qoryooley

Biimaal are 10 times bigger than HG in lower shabelle but you know why HG are stronger?

Its the same reason why gaaljecel, cawramale and sheekhaal are weaker in jubooyinka though being bigger than marehan for example!

Because the OG and marehan have extansional lands. Notice every time there is a war in kismayo you would hear gedo troops arraving from ceel hebel and from baardheere

The same goes for OG, they would arrive from their extentional lands via afmadoow

The same way HG would arrive marka via ex control banadir, afgooye and shalambood

That doesn't mean they are dominating in lower shabelle but because of having a backing population!.

However unlike of kismayo, marke is very close to the govts HQ, thus, HG will lose this back door for the govt when it gets stronger.

But the govts plan is to take it so there won't be a biimaal order too, they will stay as officials just like digil

Waxa mesha ka bixi doona waa the clan militias wich will not be in the HGs favour

Notice this doesn't mean that I'm against HG or biimaal, just stating the policy for this region.

Qaladkaan waxaa sameeyay doladihii hore laga soo bilaabo TNGda masalan guutada sadexaad ee shalaambood waa ciidan ka hawlgali jiray ilaa kismayo!!

Wali rajo ayay ka qabaan inay al shabaab badalaan!!

Hada waxaa socda dadaalo ciidamo isko dhaf ah ayadoo lago bilaabayo meelaha conflictga!

Ciidan dolada marakanka fund gareeso oo kumaandoos ah ayaa kismayo loo qorsheeyay!

Kowaas iyo localka ayaa la isku dhafi is dawlada ay uqabsato

Shabelle waxa lagenayaa kowo laga keenayo baladweyne, baydhabo iyo jowhar

Waxaa lagu qasayaa ko wa local ka ah

Wahalumma jarra!.

1moonlight wrote:
Mr Sahal if you don't mind me asking you, are you talking about the old Shabeelaha Hoose or the new Shabeelaha Hoose?
what i mean is, i know you live somewhere in Europe and i know you lived in Europe for a long time, so i am guessing you haven't been to Shabeelaha Hoose for a long time, now i am not saying you don't know anything about Shabeelaha Hoose you clearly know more than anyone on Somalinet, but the new Shabeelaha Hoose is way different than the one you grew up in were HabarGidir were minority, but the new Shabeelaha Hoose is way Different and HabarGidir are the Majority in many Degmooying. Also there are Degmooying uu dhisay oday Cayr ah before the Kacaan.

sahal80 wrote:No I haven't been to lower shabelle, I have only seen three somali towns in my whole life; lafoole, mogadishu and afgoye

My family were born in the interior more than this my dad was simsaar trader so he knows the region and speaks all its dialects!

I have many friends from that region mostly from qoryooley

Biimaal are 10 times bigger than HG in lower shabelle but you know why HG are stronger?

Its the same reason why gaaljecel, cawramale and sheekhaal are weaker in jubooyinka though being bigger than marehan for example!

Because the OG and marehan have extansional lands. Notice every time there is a war in kismayo you would hear gedo troops arraving from ceel hebel and from baardheere

The same goes for OG, they would arrive from their extentional lands via afmadoow

The same way HG would arrive marka via ex control banadir, afgooye and shalambood

That doesn't mean they are dominating in lower shabelle but because of having a backing population!.

However unlike of kismayo, marke is very close to the govts HQ, thus, HG will lose this back door for the govt when it gets stronger.

Bimaal are NOT 10 times stronger than HabarGidir, HabarGidir owns more farms than all Dir in Shabeelaha Hoose, HabarGidir have more man Power than Bimaal, also HabarGidir controls important towns in Shabeelaha Hoose, HabarGidir ayagaa ugu taajirsan Shabeelaha Hoose they own almost every Business, Farms, even Baabuurta gobolka ka Shaqeeyso HabarGidir ayaa inta Badan Leh, the last time i visited Shabeelaha Hoose was 2004, but i know a Xildhibaan who comes to London every summer and he is from Shabeelaha Hoose this is what he said to me
( Adeer HabarGidir cid ka Xigto Shabeelaha Hoose ma Leh oo aan Allaah ka aheeyn Hantidooda iyo maalkooda ayaa taal, Xoolahooda ayaa daaqo Shabeelaha Hoose, markii Hore waxaa loola dagaalay waxeey aheet ayuu dhahay Waa Kala daad sanaantooda iyo midnimo la aantooda laakiin hata weey u midoobeen Shabeelaha Hoose ayuu yiri, HabarAji meel fadhiista ayaa layiri ayuu igu dhahay oo hada niman aanan jixin jix aqoon oo HabarGidir ah ayaa meesha hogaaminayo ayuu yiri)

this Xildhibaan is HabarGidir he is almost 70 years old and he was born in Shabeelaha Hoose, i can set up a meeting with you if you want walaahi.

Your certainly stupid beyond belief, What does a tuulo like Golweyn that is inhabited by Yabarcade a subclan of Qubeys for ages have anything to do with whats being discussed here? Stay on track. We all know most of the battles that took place in wanlaweyn, qoryooley, jannaale, and Marka was led by yariisow right hand man, and whether the involvement of local townsmen or militia, all who opposed Hawiye coalition was Biimaal and other local clans. As usual your argument about biimaal not being residence in most district is false claims you continuously sprout without proof.

1977 source from a blog is your proof? yaa dhintay yaa nool sxb

The dominant subclan in Lower shabelle was for generations, the Biimaal, or the Dir clan family, which had sendentarized the area

According to The Price of Peace: Somalia and the United Nations 1991-1994, the Biyamal are the majority clan in the Lower Shebelle (Gilkes 1994, 144).

Trust me when I say this Biimaal outnumber Hawiye 5 to 1 in the region, hence why this will continue for probably another year, this whole shabelle state media frenzy nonsense will not touch the ground, you can believe that.

Sahal,

Thats where We disagree. HG are in LS to stay, dominance wise. I don't see Xassan Sh being able to reverse that at all.

Murax wrote:Sahal,

Thats where We disagree. HG are in LS to stay, dominance wise. I don't see Xassan Sh being able to reverse that at all.

I'm coming to your thread for this point you raised earlier.

Its the same reason why gaaljecel, cawramale and sheekhaal are weaker in jubooyinka though being bigger than marehan for example!

You are a Xawaadle kid who never saw anywhere in Somalia except Banadir from your own admission in this topic and yet you have the audacity to utter such garbage.

Not only Kismaayo but the entire Jubbaland is a now filled with Marehan settlers.

When the Kenyans opened fire on camel herders thinking they were Shabab sentries in Janaay Cabdalle in the heart of Lower Jubba, why did they just happen to be Marehan? Or Barre Hiiraale sitting with impunity in Goobweyn being fed by Marehan geeljire?

Or when Marehan and Gaaljecel herders clashed in Beerxaani, what did the Gaaljecel sultan say in the peace arranged by CRD?

Suldaan Rashiid Durre (beesha gaaljecel) ayaa tibaaxay inaysan suurta gal ahayn sii socoshada dagaal deegaameedkan, dhex maray dad waligood nabad ku wada joogay “sidaas awgeed ay muhiim tahay in laga xaalo dhibka dhcay,xeerna laga sameeysto si ayan markale u soo noqonin falalkii foosha xumaa ee nagu riday barakaca loona noqdo sidii loo noollaan jiray oo ahay in baad iyo biyoba la wadaago beesha sade_daarood-na ay ku mahadsan tahay inay intaa nala fahmeen”

 
http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2007/Feb/wa ... 22-795.htm

Or the fact successive US intelligence reports time and time again from both US embassy in Nairobi and US embassy in Addis Ababa always analyzed Marehan were the majority in Kismaayo itself?

US embassy Addis Ababa



US embassy Nairobi

](SBU) Kismayo has been the locus of a long-standing conflict between the region's Darood sub-clans. The city has changed hands several times in the recent past and some have estimated that it has been controlled by 30 different regimes (mostly clan-based) since ¶1991. ]The Darood/Ogadeni, last week's winners, have a power base outside Kismayo, and are unlikely to be welcome for the long term by Kismayo's citizenry, the majority of whom are Darood/Marehan. Our contacts question how long this Kismayo coalition of convenience between local clans, ICU remnants, and al-Shabaab can hold together, given the city's past, its clan makeup, and likelihood of disagreements over sharing power and port revenues. 

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2008/08/08NAIROBI2032.html

We were the primary factor to remove USC from Jubbaland, primary reason to remove Morgan from Jubbaland, helped removed ICU from Jubbaland, singlehandedly removed Abdullahi Yusuf's administrative from Jubbaland where our Jubba Sultan ruled for two years with the Sade elders before Al Shabab, and now are singlehandedly working towards bringing down the Kenyan occupation of which when they finally leave it wil not take a second for us to retain all power.

Do not compare us to that travesty called Lower Shabelle.

Our history in the landscape goes back over a century and is well documented.