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dayax123 wrote: I don't hate Somalis from Kenya and Ethiopia , i dont like them either. Let them live peacufully in their coutries and let us live peacfully in our country. My point is let's stop the fruitless irredentism. Lets promote good realtionship with all the different communities in the horn. Who told you that Ethnic somali head of ethiopia for example will behave differently frome Meles Zanawi? Do you remember Somali MP in kenyan parliament saying that they want to take Kismayo for buffer zone? Do you remember late Abdulmajid Hussein of Ethiopia advocating Somalia not re-sit its chair in the United Nations during Abdiqasim Time? Do you know how Farah Moalim and Ilyas Barre Shil always try to undermine our soverienity? Kenyan foreing minster is Ethnic Somali and she is lobbying for Kenya to take part of the Somali water.

Yes afcourse, because all these Somali leaders were or are under the pay check of Kenya and Ethiopia. They were all stooges and no different than the Somali leaders of Puntland or Somaliland whom are present day part of Somalia even though one of them claim to be a break-away.

However if Somalia empower Somali leaders that advocate for Somalia in Kenya and Ethiopia and implement ideas from Somalia into Kenya then it is to our benefit. We can put puppet Somali leaders in power in Kenya and Ethiopia. But all this is when Somalia becomes strong and powerful. For now we should only worry about Somalia only.

XimanJaale wrote:

dayax123 wrote: I don't hate Somalis from Kenya and Ethiopia , i dont like them either. Let them live peacufully in their coutries and let us live peacfully in our country. My point is let's stop the fruitless irredentism. Lets promote good realtionship with all the different communities in the horn. Who told you that Ethnic somali head of ethiopia for example will behave differently frome Meles Zanawi? Do you remember Somali MP in kenyan parliament saying that they want to take Kismayo for buffer zone? Do you remember late Abdulmajid Hussein of Ethiopia advocating Somalia not re-sit its chair in the United Nations during Abdiqasim Time? Do you know how Farah Moalim and Ilyas Barre Shil always try to undermine our soverienity? Kenyan foreing minster is Ethnic Somali and she is lobbying for Kenya to take part of the Somali water.

Yes afcourse, because all these Somali leaders were or are under the pay check of Kenya and Ethiopia. They were all stooges and no different than the Somali leaders of Puntland or Somaliland whom are present day part of Somalia even though one of them claim to be a break-away.

However if Somalia empower Somali leaders that advocate for Somalia in Kenya and Ethiopia and implement ideas from Somalia into Kenya then it is to our benefit. We can put puppet Somali leaders in power in Kenya and Ethiopia. But all this is when Somalia becomes strong and powerful. For now we should only worry about Somalia only.

That was my point thanks for the nice discussion. Good night.

gurey25 wrote: you dont understand ethiopia it is a bigger threat than somalia,
they are on our side now because it benefits their policy, and because the international community got in the way of their somalia domination and told them to behave.
If somalia ever falls completly under ethiopian control, before we get recognition, then we are doomed.
they will force us into unity so they have better control.

This is what every fool on the SL bandwagon doesn't seem to understand. People like Khalid ali are unable to think beyond today and are more than happy with the status quo. The SL elite are just as clueless and unambitious. A divided and weak Somalia is not in the best interest of any Somali, let alone SL. Xabashis are killing their own citizens and selling off their arable land to Saudis, chinese and indians. If they are willing to do that to their own people, imagine how worthless as Somali must be in their eyes. The balkanization while ensure a complete disintegration of the state into small, weak and destitute tribal nbantustans that ethiopia can exert complete power and influence over. The west are dhilos who wouldn't bat an eyelid despite all their hoohas about human-rights and territorial integrity. In effect, Somalia from Zeila to Ras kamboni would be an unofficial extension of K5 - goodbye Somali state, goodbye Somaliweyn and Somalinimo.

gurey25 wrote: Independent Somaliland has the potential to be a dangerous threat, not because we can fight them, we cant
but we can get a stranglehold over their economy and we can supply any future ogaden rebellion safely without worrying about an invasion.
The worst that can happen is that we get a tsk tsk thats a naughty boy reaction from the international community.

How did we fall from being a state that had an army capable of conquering ethiopia with ease to being unable to even defend our homeland. Somaliyeey cidhibtiin go'dey.

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Zeylac was never part of Somalia so shove those crocodile tears where the sun don't shine..

To Gurey and Khalid,

If Somalia and its population get raped it's none of our business. We have to create a strong Somaliland by creating a strong political foundation and strong institutions. Ethiopia couldn't defeat Eritrea, a country smaller than SL with an equal population so that nonsense doesn't make sense. We have to be calculating and not start wars but when we're attacked we have to fight to the last man.

Please stfu. And stop following me around, you sound like a broken record.

Don't cede parts of my land to another country, if you do that mr. Crocodile tears, I could care less wether you exist or not..

I will do whatever I like and there's nothing you can do about Mr. emotional.

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Crocodile tears, I'll disprove your nonsense every time you spread lies about my country.

Do whatever you like, I doubt anyone takes you seriously Mr Emotional. I better leave now before you take this thread to 30 pages of your usual oohin.

You're known as the official niiic of Somalinet. Don't project your reality onto me..

Ethiopia has one security policy towards all somali regions: creating 4 clan enclaves under a "federal somallia" as a security buffer zones since all the regions have borders with ethiopia

Meantime in this way she will have political control on the somali clans as there is no state(stateless people)

When the somali govt makes stronger diplomatic relations with turkey, gulf coutries and the west and the security was restored ethiopia will abandon this policy just like in the late 80s when she arrested opposition leaders

Govt will also release a new legislations/diplomatic codes that will prohibit the diplomats and countries to meet the non officials!

Ethiopian policy towards somalia by former FM in 1998

"IGAD Stabilisation Plan left over by TFG coupled with the infamous “building blocks approach" published on Ethiopian Foreign Ministry position paper in 1998,and later resurfaced in an article published by a Canadian researcher called Matt Bryden whose Attachment to Somali politics has sparked much controversy. In short,the idea briefly reads as follows:.

"A future Somali state might thus resemble a patchwork of semiautonomous territories defined in whole or in part by clan affiliation, leading to a breakdown roughly as follows:

• An Isaaq dominated state in the northwest, corresponding roughly (if not exactly) to the boundaries of former British Somaliland;

• In the Northeast, a principally Mijerteen polity, involving some (if not all) of the broader Harti community in Sanaag and Sool regions;

• A Digil-Mirifle territory centred on (but not necessarily restricted to) the regions of Bay and Bakool;

• Jubbaland, an admixture of groups from the Juba valley, possibly extending as far north as Gedo region;

• An elongated central territory inhabited principally by the Hawiye;

• A national capital (probably, but not necessarily Muqdisho) administered separately as a cosmopolitan hub for all Somalis".(Review of African Political Economy, March 1999, Vol. 26 Issue 79)."

sahal80 wrote:

• Jubbaland, an admixture of groups from the Juba valley, possibly extending as far north as Gedo region

Jubaland is a Darood Majority state, Darood make up over 75% of the population of Jubaland.
The minorities in Jubaland are hyped too much, most of the remaining 25% is not even Hawiye or D&M, but bantu.