Somaliland and Somalia Will Never Unify

[GAMES]

O'right how about a deal. I am a fair guy.

If you could get 1 country to recognize you, then I'd accept that you are not part of Somalia.

It could be any country, like Djibouti for example, or heck, I'd even lower the bar --- get the Somali part of Ethiopia (Kilinka 5naad) to accept you. Which btw, Waqooyi Somalia shares a border with.

That shouldn't be too hard, get on it.

Or cry about Ictiraaf until Aakhiro Zaman.

[Xildiiid]

Not having ictiraaf beats being a registered sex offender you f-king Bantu ape.

[lali99]

UK, Beligium, France, Ethiopia, Djibouti, South Sudan, Kenya and South Africa accept Somaliland passport as a travel document to name a few so far. Insha Allah with a more pro-active in the next government, this number will swelled as Somaliland should focus having closer ties with central and western african countries.

Please check the ministry of foreign affairs of the countries you listed above and see if the name "SL" is on its list.

Passport and travel documents are two different things genius. A travel document could be a national id cards for example but it could also be a De-Facto travel document which is what Somaliland passport is in the moment with no official international recognition. The ministry of foreign affairs in those countries list nationality passport that are accepted and that is the reason why SL is not on the list. I know that your heart dropped a beat when I've told you that SL passport is accepted in some countries.

Ka naax nafta was for all haters.

[Xildiiid]

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The second Djiboutian I've seen defending his second country SL. Jalaaludin aka Biko should take notes.

Btw, don't mind the Walaweyns. The day we're officially recognized there shall be no contact whatsoever between SL and Somalia or its people.

[lali99]

What a lot of people seem to not understanding are the rules of engagement when it comes to separation and unification two entitity. The only reason why SL couldn't get recognition all this time is that Somalia did not have an international recognize government. It was stated that in order to be recognize SL has to come to an understating with Somalia the same way with Eritrea and Ethiopia, Sudan and South Sudan. It is a stipulation in AU organization. Now that Somalia has a recognize government, thus a dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland has been established for them to come to an agreement. All these previous decades, Sl has been in a limbo political disaster that was Somalia and thus obstacle to his ambitions and rights. So it was not an error by the political elites that this recognition has not occur (insha Allah it will) but a contingency by the international agreements. Worse case scenario, Somaliland will thrive with or without Somalia acknowledgment the same way as Taiwan is against China. Somaliland Passport is accepted in a dozen countries right now and all the government needs to lobby to have a passport acceptance if recognition is out of the table right now. It is the key for business and economic growth and there is nothing that 6 millions Somalians could do to 4millions Somalilanders.

lolwrong!
In the eyes of the west/turkey, This has to do with reconciliations and state building! Some countries who were known as somalias international partners have given the mandate to the uk govt to look after somalias post-transitional era so the uk has hosted a conference on the furture govt-SFG- who should have a vision that implements the federalism and paves the way to general elections in the country. Uk has added SL to this agenda and asked the TFG to get ready for it but sharif has later changed it to turkey on the advise of the ala shaykhk intellectuals bc turkey is muslim country that's more affiliated with them or will not be under pressure
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_S ... Conference
"Somaliland agreed to enter into the talks during a February meeting in London, when 40 global leaders met to tackle piracy, terrorism and political instability in Somalia"

SL uses it as economic mechanism like the new deals separate arrangements wich was based on the ankara points

I don't know what you're talking about niinyahow. First of all in my post I mentioned that as with other countries in africa that have been recognized way after colonial era, (eritrea and south sudan) there has to be mutual formal talks between the two opposite before independence is granted (by ethiopia and sudan). That is a stipulation by AU and only then that the UN will also accept the result (it could referendum or a mutual agreements of separation as was the case with eritrea). I am not speculating as you are doing it right now but stating the fact on the ground.

Secondly I didn't mention the london talks and cannot see the relation to my point and AU, UN stipulation for formal recognition but if you want to go there we could. The talk between Somalia and SL in london was a forum on security in the region and that is why SL was pressured to attend. it has nothing to do with forcing SL back with Somalia or anything close to that. it was not a conference for "reconciliation and state building" as you like to mention it since an agreements between TWO-SIDES came out of it where they will each respect their independent autonomy. Now tell me where does it said on the agreements any reconciliation or as matter any synonym of that word? No where, therefore no need to lie to yourself to better sleep at nite or to your fellow Somalians. With all the pressure SL had over that conference SL outfoxed Somalia and did what you're lot in Somalia don't seem to understand. SL got the biggest end of the stick vis-a-vis Somalia. It got to have formal distinction from the rest of Somalia where it is no longer one somalia but rather Somalia-SL talks. To the naked eye, it project that it is two separate entities and thus helping his case for recognition. The second thing it got from those talks is to have an independent economic platform away from Somalia in the forms of SLBF(somaliland business fund). That way internatonal investment for SL don't need to pass any Somalia central bank or have anything related to that country because from now on it only need to pass thru SL office in London which UK government is acting guarantor until official recognition is signed with Somalia.

Thirdly, I want to ask you what is a "whole-region separatist entity"? If you mean that A whole regions has to be separatism well my friend let me tell you that you don't live in reality. All the newly recognize countries are not and never have been a country that 100% of the votes were for the rights to secede. Impossible. Marka when SL referendum happen(if it does happen), then majority rules will be its law and overwhelming majority of Slders are pro-seccession.
And lastly I would like to tell you that it is condescending the way you talk when talking about SL political issue as if Somalilanders are poor politicians. So far it has outfoxed in many fields: travel documents and economy trades for example are completely independent from Mogadisho. Heck Somaliland elders signed a treaties with British who were the superpowers at that time to be treated as a protectorate instead of a colony. If my memory is correct the only other protectorate was kingdom of Morocco. Meanwhile in Mogadisho it was colony by a lesser european power;Italians. The only mistakes it has done was in 1960s were our forefathers were too trustful to the fellow somalis and acted in good-faith to unite by any means necessary. Marka don't take our good faith as a weakness in politic field saxiib but as sign of strengths as only the weak and fables alienate good-faith from their system. And if you want to call yourself a political analyst, please go ahead by any mean necessary but your arguments need to rebuffed an idea based on facts.

P.S. I honestly don't understand most of your writing, please use punctuations to get your point across more effectively. Just a helper saxiib

[Togdeer]

The question is not would it happen?
But it is when would it happen?

[lali99]

Yousuf

I'm not talking about your position rather how the world see it!



I think that somaliland as an independence project has no constituencies of a state/ مقومـات الدولة

Because the british somaliland was bigger than one clan, they had treats with each clan separately, they may even were the first to welcome britain to that region!

So if all were pro-independence 100%
The project has مقومـات الدولة
But what can you do when their clan affiliations is stronger than this project?

Power can disappear tomorrow, look gen caydiid was controlling the whole south and today a minority guy like sharif hassan has his seat in baraawe!!

Bc he used an internationally backed project!

If you want to know the uks federalism position on SL check out

Lyall grant her ambassador to the UN

Mark Simmonds her minister for africa

Nick kay a british diplomats who coordinates with her but works for the UN

Turkey calls the talks; building the bridge talks, is known outside of somalia as unity talks
http://www.somalilanders.net/turkey-hos ... d-somalia/

يا · إقليم أرض الصوما يرحب بمواصلة محادثات الوحدة مع الحكومة الفيديرالية.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

The article you have posted specifically mentioned that TUrket foreign minister at that time (now Prime Minister) stated that Turket goal is to have these 2 countries come to an understanding. That alone destroy your whole argument.

What kind of "political analyst" are you? Do you even read whatever links you post because this is the second time your own links have completely destroy your point of lines. DO you honestly expect other people not to click on the links? Busted

[lali99]

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The second Djiboutian I've seen defending his second country SL. Jalaaludin aka Biko should take notes.

Btw, don't mind the Walaweyns. The day we're officially recognized there shall be no contact whatsoever between SL and Somalia or its people.

Djiboutians and Somalilanders are one and the same. The overwhelming majority (above the 90% range) of djiboutians from isaaq clans are. just like all jews are de-facto israelites, all isaaq are de-facto somalilanders. That is an innate rights and an honest pure truth

[sahal80]

Lalli99

You have been "cabid" probaganda but let me tell you why its about unity- take it as you like-

As I posted before these talks were suggested in london conference-you have been part of it just like PL,galmudug and ahlussuna- in preparation for the post-transitional era!!

What this indicates? Being invited for talks with the tfg inside a somalia conference?

The same somali reconciliations like the elders, the constitution and conferences were again held in turkey

You again are in turkey!!

Simply your part of the somali process but your media would like to put it as real talks between two countries lol

Go back to the background of this process
United Somalia a must: Davutoğlu - SOMALIA CONFERENCE http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/united ... sCatID=456

Turkish journalist stating his opinion on his govt regarding somalia!
Harun Yahya http://m.harunyahya.com/en/Articles/186 ... h-to-unity

As for the issue of the passport it doesn't happen in reality ask the people!

It was for few cases not for every body and not about migration, this bc there were no back then somali embassies so as a region, without being official papers but as a local document, some one who carries british passport may bring his folks for kadaa reason, or business man or for health

Now all the people have been sent to the somali embassy to get the staying but the consulate section is yet ready-the passports- and the home office was told this by the people so they post-poned it till then

[jalaaludin5]

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The second Djiboutian I've seen defending his second country SL. Jalaaludin aka Biko should take notes.

Btw, don't mind the Walaweyns. The day we're officially recognized there shall be no contact whatsoever between SL and Somalia or its people.

Djiboutians and Somalilanders are one and the same. The overwhelming majority (above the 90% range) of djiboutians from isaaq clans are. just like all jews are de-facto israelites, all isaaq are de-facto somalilanders. That is an innate rights and an honest pure truth

what an insulted and a blasphemous thing to say.

if you think comparing yourself to jews makes you special then you and me ain't got nothing in common.
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Xildiid.

I don't need to take note from a bunch of emotional kids who keep contradicting themselves at every turn.

Sxb isaq are somali but most importantly Muslims. I would like to think my defending of somaliland is not just from a place of emotion but because I believe its for the right reasons and those reasons are based on concrete foundation that can hold its on weight.

Yes I am isaq through and through and just like everyone else ill defended it but I would like to think that I can also speak out if I see or think my people are on the wrong. I never do blind loyalty and the writing on your flag has greater meaning that you can possibly fathom and not to mention the backbone of our faith.

I believe every comment you make about somaliland is emotionally driven and that raw feeling sometime blind you to simple facts.

1. I am pure and proud reer jabuuti and despite statements like...waad ku dhalate umaad dhalan...I say...waan ku dhashay una dhashay.

2. Yes my roots is in somaliland but somaliland is not on a different planet but rather a stone's throw away from jabuti. And if you honestly believe and think I belong in somaliland cos am a minority in jabuuti then brother that alone speaks volume.

3. But most importantly I do not honestly think you underdtand the full weight of your comment and how you are dhooting yourself in the foot. You argue day in and day out about the legitimacy of somaliland as democratic country with free and fair election that has risen above qabil to a qaran but your very own lips testify against your irational contradiction
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Come close and let me whisper it to your ear...(((jabuutidan aad iga soo jiideysid naga jooji sxb meel aliyaaliyo meshasn joogobah reerkan u joogayee. Ilaahay bah na barakeeyay oo meelo badan nagu abuure gooladan aad rabtid inaad nagu soo oodid waa laga fiicanyay,,, bila caleek
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Remember aduunka meel kasta nin bah minority ku ah ee hadey ku dhibeyso jabuuti bah la igaga badanyay oo an second class citizen ku ahay..then use that in somaliland by doing good and respect the rights of those "minorities" in your neck of the wood.
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I dont know maybe am in coocoo land but thats me bro.

Ubuntu!!!

[lali99]

Sahal80,

London and TurkEy talks between Somalia-Somaliland are NOT called SOMALIA UNITY talk. Your argument does not make any sense and is none existent. You know your talk is all about speculation and nothing based on fact. For an "political analyst" you seem NOT understand double talk when it comes to diplomacy. Every country wants Somalia unity including Turkey which is stated in the link that you posted but all country knows there is a political talk between two sides within that former "Somalia" and that is Somaliland-Somalia Conference. Now what tells you is that everybody knows that there is a rift, a separation, a difference between two opponents and that they need to come to a solution. That solution will most likely be referendum in Somaliland but the most important thing to remember here is that Somaliland is known as a de-facto region that is seeking international recognition. This is a reality on the ground and every country knows it. Image is everything and to sell the recognition mantra, we have to let the world know the rift between warring sides and we have achieved so far. So please use your head and stop repeating like talking bubble head about somalia unity and other B.S. because no one is denying that this "theory" exist but also knows that the world is trying to found a solution to two warring sides.

AS for Somaliland participation with puntland, galmudug and such is only to gain access to navy capabilities to secure funding for maritime resources and that was a one time thing. Heck we got our money worth since recently we stopped some illegal fishings going in somaliland by foreigners. However this attendance does not stop that political conference to come to a solution between Somalia-SOmaliland is going on. and let me repeat myself once again THAT CONFERENCE DOES NOT STAY ANYWHERE THAT IT IS A SOMALIA UNITY CONFERENCE.

Lastly you seem to know how other countries regulate their immigration process since you just stay "for Somaliland passport" is only for few people and does not happen anymore. I mean who died and made you king? Your not even part of any diplomatical groupings and yet you have the audacity to make such claims. France, UK , Ethiopia and others accept Somaliland passports as a travel documents and as such need to get a visa before travelling to those countries (not for Ethiopia and Djibouti). Like most of the third world countrymen need when travelling to first world country, a visa is hard to get it and is double hard for Somalilanders because it is considered only a travel documents but nevertheless IT IS ACCEPTED. Even if it is accepted one time or to few all the time the point is that it is accepted.

Ka nax nafta waa

P.S. I don't know what you mean "cabiid" propaganda but I am a somali, never been a cabiid to anyone neither were my ancestors at any moment(Exept to ALLAH obviously). If you acting like that because you thing your an arab then look in the mirror and tell me what you see

[lali99]

Jalalludin,

I don't know what your offended by the word Israelites and Jews. They're human being just like you and I and there is no reason to behave as if they're untouchables. So instead of acting like teenager on her first period, think rationally and reasonably. Israelite is synonymous with judaism (Jew) and Somaliland is synonymous with Isaaq. It is an automatic thought that happens with one heard either of those words. SO get your head out of your arse and start being humble towards ALL human beings

[lasanodboi]

Fuck somaliland as if anyone cares what they think

[RedPanther]

One day an Issaq friend of mine came running to me. He was soo happy.

He was like,"guess what? Somaliland got recognised as a country last night".
I said "for real? By who, America?, the EU?, Russia? China"?
He said, "no Sheffield".
I was taken aback. Speechless. I then replied, "Sheffield? Yorkshire Sheffield? Sheffield council"?
And each time he was screaming "yes" with a big smile on his face. In the end I was like "will done on finally achieving recognition"

Honestly, Issaqs are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

[jalaaludin5]

Jalalludin,

I don't know what your offended by the word Israelites and Jews. They're human being just like you and I and there is no reason to behave as if they're untouchables. So instead of acting like teenager on her first period, think rationally and reasonably. Israelite is synonymous with judaism (Jew) and Somaliland is synonymous with Isaaq. It is an automatic thought that happens with one heard either of those words. SO get your head out of your arse and start being humble towards ALL human beings

Am offended by comparing us to jews. Synonymous with Isaq kulaha. I do not care for Israelites nor do I know what your on about mate but I know this...
Israel is an illegal and a stolen state were Somaliland is legit and halaal state.

I am humble which is why the mercy of Allah and the recognition He extended on Somaliland over the past 24 years is never lost on me.

but most importantly by The condescending tone of the lali..like Xildiid who think isaq in jabuuti need a course on Isaqnimo.

Yaakhi aari Anglais waa yaab maaha.

Ps...whats your other nick? Lol