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Itrah wrote:

samaalenoble wrote:Stop sniffing the glue bro.

Why? Is it because you know it destroys your Hamitic theory?

Somalis are only close to Ethiopians. They are autosomally quite far removed from Berbers and Middle Easterners. But also most Sub-Saharan Africans, too.

samaalenoble wrote:No, because you churn out vague bullshit. Anybody who even says Ethiopian, is a hairball when it comes to this stuff. Look at you again, Middle-Easterners, Sub-Saharan etc.

Moron foqol moron.

samaalenoble wrote:

Itrah wrote:

samaalenoble wrote:Stop sniffing the glue bro.

Why? Is it because you know it destroys your Hamitic theory?

Somalis are only close to Ethiopians. They are autosomally quite far removed from Berbers and Middle Easterners. But also most Sub-Saharan Africans, too.

No, because you churn out vague bullshit. Anybody who even says Ethiopian, is a hairball when it comes to this stuff. Look at you again, Middle-Easterners, Sub-Saharan etc.

Moron foqol moron. Not to mention, I've caught you lying on numerous occasions trying to bring qabilist bs into science.

samaalenoble wrote:I've caught you lying on numerous occasions trying to bring qabilist bs into science.

samaalenoble wrote:I've caught you lying on numerous occasions trying to bring qabilist bs into science.

Itrah wrote:Never lied. You can e-mail those professors (all public information) and ask them where the samples are from. We have samples from Jigjiga, Puntland, Mogadishu, Garissa now. The group from Northeastern Somalia were the most Cushitic. Fact.

samaalenoble wrote:Don't worry about me saxib.

The problem with your trolling is that there are undiscerning and uninformed people out there who will believe you. Which is odd, because it's very un-German behavior.

Eid Mubarak.

Itrah wrote:

samaalenoble wrote:Don't worry about me saxib.

The problem with your trolling is that there are undiscerning and uninformed people out there who will believe you. Which is odd, because it's very un-German behavior.

Eid Mubarak.

Warya go check a basic Principle Component Analysis plot of those samples. You have samples from Jigjiga and Garissa clustering with Oromos with Omotic input. It is a fact. Why you so butthurt about it? Not all Somalis are the same.

Are you from those regions?

Itrah wrote:The high T1 in the Northwest is just random. No need to explain by ridiculous wars.

Also, the high E-V32 in Somalis is totally random. Both T and E-V32 are overinflated in Somalis through random process. Somali Y lineages used to be more similar to those of Ethiopians with more A3b, J1, and other types of E1b1b before T and E-V32 got so pumped in frequency.

Luckily the maternal lineages did not experience a founder effect and are similar to those of our neighbors.

samaalenoble wrote:That's a terrible and devious explanation and example, of a population bottleneck event. A 14 year war don't cause a bottleneck event moron. The indigenous Somali populations that carry haplogroup T were simply drastically reduced.

At least you got the current SNP methodology problem correct.

Tell your buddy there not to damage any UNESCO world heritage sites in his lifetime. Eid Mubarak.

”The current patchy distribution of K2-M70 in Africa may be a remnant of a more widespread occupation. Subsequent demic events introducing chromosomes carrying the E3b-M35, E3a-M2, G-M201, and J-12f2 haplogroups may have overwhelmed the K2-M70 representatives in some areas. Like the R1*-M173 males, the M70 individuals could represent the relics of an early back migration to Africa from Asia, since these chromosomes are not associated with the G-M201, J-12f2, and R1-M173 derivatives, lineages that represent more-recent Eurasian genetic contributions (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b). The K2-M70 expansion estimates in Egypt (17.5–13.7 ky; see table 3) are consistent with an early African diaspora. From the present-day African distribution of K2-M70, it is difficult to determine which of the two Africa/Asia migratory passages, if any, prevailed in its southward journey. However, the BATWING expansion estimates of both the Egyptian and Turkish K2-M70 lineages (13.7 ky and 9.0 ky, respectively) are much older than that of Oman (1.6 ky), which suggests that the Levantine corridor may have been used more extensively in the African dissemination of this lineage as well.”

Xildiiid wrote:I'm an ancient Puntite since some of the artifacts were discovered around the area my ancestors lived.

I just bought the damn book

Bilis wrote:

samaalenoble wrote:That's a terrible and devious explanation and example, of a population bottleneck event. A 14 year war don't cause a bottleneck event moron. The indigenous Somali populations that carry haplogroup T were simply drastically reduced.

At least you got the current SNP methodology problem correct.

Tell your buddy there not to damage any UNESCO world heritage sites in his lifetime. Eid Mubarak.

Haplogroup T (formerly known as haplogroup K2-M70) is today mainly found among ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in Northeast Africa. I take it, then, that you subscribe to Luis et al. (2004)'s theory that the haplogroup T carriers on the continent were originally more widespread, but were later overwhelmed by groups carrying other haplogroups?

”The current patchy distribution of K2-M70 in Africa may be a remnant of a more widespread occupation. Subsequent demic events introducing chromosomes carrying the E3b-M35, E3a-M2, G-M201, and J-12f2 haplogroups may have overwhelmed the K2-M70 representatives in some areas. Like the R1*-M173 males, the M70 individuals could represent the relics of an early back migration to Africa from Asia, since these chromosomes are not associated with the G-M201, J-12f2, and R1-M173 derivatives, lineages that represent more-recent Eurasian genetic contributions (Semino et al. 2000; Underhill et al. 2001b). The K2-M70 expansion estimates in Egypt (17.5–13.7 ky; see table 3) are consistent with an early African diaspora. From the present-day African distribution of K2-M70, it is difficult to determine which of the two Africa/Asia migratory passages, if any, prevailed in its southward journey. However, the BATWING expansion estimates of both the Egyptian and Turkish K2-M70 lineages (13.7 ky and 9.0 ky, respectively) are much older than that of Oman (1.6 ky), which suggests that the Levantine corridor may have been used more extensively in the African dissemination of this lineage as well.”

It is certainly an interesting argument. I actually don't rule it out entirely.

Like E1b1b, haplogroup T is also found in the Southern Egypt/northern Sudan area. Its geographical distribution appears to parallel that of the mtDNA haplogroup M1, so the two may have been companion lineages.

A population bottleneck is basically when a portion of a population dies or is killed off through natural disasters, war, or some other calamity. In this case, many E1b1b-carrying Somalis were killed during the Adal Sultanate's medieval Futuh al-Habash or conquest of Abyssinia

Bilis wrote:

Xildiiid wrote:I'm an ancient Puntite since some of the artifacts were discovered around the area my ancestors lived.

I just bought the damn book

Good going sxb. We must support our archaeologists, as they are honoring our ancestral heritage.