Worse Mass Shooting in American History 50 dead, subxanalaah

[Xildiiid]

As Fah wrote..

It's another false flag.

[UlteriorMotive]

Sorry buddy but this has nothing to do with history. There are Muslims living today who think it's perfectly A-OK to kill innocent people, including fellow Muslims, in the name of their religion. And they get their blood thirsty cues from the larger Islamic community and religious figureheads who have embraced the use violence as legitimate means of furthering Islam. Is it any surprise, then, when some Muslims carry out violent acts? When hate and violence is accepted by large segments of society then violent behavior is the natural end result. To think otherwise is utter fantasy.

Man is social creature who needs validation and acceptance from has community. If these Jihadi terrorists knew Muslim communities abhor violence in the name of Islam, I doubt they'd be many Jihadis around today.

And there are neo-nazis alive today who believe that non-aryan ppl are inferior and that it's perfectly A-OK to kill innocent people.

Human beings are the same. Muslims are not any more violent than other people

Everything has a context. Stop being dim and intellectually lazy.

[X.Playa]

The Muslim case is not human failure, its their faith Muslim kill because Islam demands of them. Mohammed preached it he said kill homosexuals, kill nonbelievers, kill apostate, kill kill kill. Why lie? itsnt his fault he was just obeying Mohammed.

[Basra-]

The Muslim case is not human failure, its their faith Muslim kill because Islam demands of them. Mohammed preached it he said kill homosexuals, kill nonbelievers, kill apostate, kill kill kill. Why lie? itsnt his fault he was just obeying Mohammed.

X

No the prophet did NOT say that. If anything Prophet Muhammad pbuh was the most peaceful prophet in history. X I think u have issue, and if u r open to it, I can diagnose u.

[NoAngst]

And there are neo-nazis alive today who believe that non-aryan ppl are inferior and that it's perfectly A-OK to kill innocent people.

Human beings are the same. Muslims are not any more violent than other people

Everything has a context. Stop being dim and intellectually lazy.

Nice attack but up the wrong hill!

Nazi ideology is relegated to the fringes of society and neo-Nazis are fringe group. The ideology animating Jihadis like Omar Mateen, Alshabaab and ISIS, et al, is part of mainstream Islam. Most Muslims, including yourself, agree with Jihadis who attack Homosexuals and heretics. Hell, I've even debated with Muslims who argued apostates should be murdered. With such lust for blood, is there any wonder blood will be spilled?

There will always be Muslim sociopaths.I'm not arguing that Islam should be devoid of any criminals and psychos. All I'm saying is there ISN'T enough opposition to Jihadi ideas among "ordinary" Muslims. The day Jihadis find out that they'll be shunned and deemed as criminals by Muslims is the day we'll see the end of Jihadism.

May Allah have mercy on your wretched soul!

[mahoka]

f-king chav-arse licker. Fuck off you self-hating uncle Tom. You're a right cuck, aren't you? Go twerk for your master, Nigel Farage

Stop looking for my attention you little garac cunt. Pull up your panties and fuck off.

This cunt has been filling around like a dh1lo looking for gu.s.

f-king fatherless piece of shit

[FAH1223]

sounds like a false flag

right after a week of Muhammad Ali coverage

Paranoia talking.

What good reason do you have in believing this is false flag?

Who benefits from a rather convoluted story of a US-born Muslim of Afghan descent, a registered Democrat with a legal Florida gun license and no criminal record, employed for 9 years by a security firm, suddenly engaging in a LBTG-targeted killing spree?

More than 50 dead? Only one shooter? And the guy was not even a special forces professional, but a flaky security guard?! (Who just happened to be on all the National Security radar screens, like so many others now-proven patsies.)

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

f-king chav-arse licker. Fuck off you self-hating uncle Tom. You're a right cuck, aren't you? Go twerk for your master, Nigel Farage

Stop looking for my attention you little garac cunt. Pull up your panties and fuck off.

This cunt has been filling around like a dh1lo looking for gu.s.

f-king fatherless piece of shit

Stop acting hard bitch. I know you ain't shit. You'll always be a house nigger.

[Basra-]

f-king chav-arse licker. Fuck off you self-hating uncle Tom. You're a right cuck, aren't you? Go twerk for your master, Nigel Farage

Stop looking for my attention you little garac cunt. Pull up your panties and fuck off.

This cunt has been filling around like a dh1lo looking for gu.s.

f-king fatherless piece of shit

Stop acting hard bitch. I know you ain't shit. You'll always be a house nigger.

Can u leave gedo gurl aka mahoka alone.

[Raganimo]

The Muslim case is not human failure, its their faith Muslim kill because Islam demands of them. Mohammed preached it he said kill homosexuals, kill nonbelievers, kill apostate, kill kill kill. Why lie? itsnt his fault he was just obeying Mohammed.

What kind of oversimplified, un-nuanced doqonimo is this?

Vigilantism is strictly forbidden. Just because the xadd for the act of homosexuality in an Islamic court is death, it does not mean that it's a free-for-all. Islamic societies were highly complex, highly advanced societies with rule of law. As a kafir, you can disagree with these laws and the premises that they were based on, but to insinuate that Islam calls for random acts of barbarism is just ridiculous and downright disingenuous. No society can function like that.

This is 2016, you have no excuse for being this ignorant.

[Raganimo]

No matter how you slice it, secular western countries have killed far more innocent people in the Muslim world than vice versa yet nobody is attaching these crimes to the ideological foundations of the West.

Is this X guy now going to renounce democracy and secularism due to the millions of lives that have been destroyed in the name of these ideologies? I doubt it.

ISIS can be numbered in the thousands. We have standing western armies that have caused far more destruction than ISIS or any other ragtag militia (AQ, AS etc) in the name of "freedom" and democracy. I don't see anyone attacking the ideological foundations of the West based on this.

It's also quite ironic that a die-hard qabiilist, of all people, is going to talk about Islam being inherently violent lol. This guy literally supports killing the next man if it benefits his tribe. How is tribalism any different from religious fanaticism? If this guy was an SNM soldier who had stormed and killed a bunch of random "Faqash" he'd be supporting him and writing gabay about his bravery.

[Raganimo]

And there are neo-nazis alive today who believe that non-aryan ppl are inferior and that it's perfectly A-OK to kill innocent people.

Human beings are the same. Muslims are not any more violent than other people

Everything has a context. Stop being dim and intellectually lazy.

Nice attack but up the wrong hill!

Nazi ideology is relegated to the fringes of society and neo-Nazis are fringe group. The ideology animating Jihadis like Omar Mateen, Alshabaab and ISIS, et al, is part of mainstream Islam. Most Muslims, including yourself, agree with Jihadis who attack Homosexuals and heretics. Hell, I've even debated with Muslims who argued apostates should be murdered. With such lust for blood, is there any wonder blood will be spilled?

There will always be Muslim sociopaths.I'm not arguing that Islam should be devoid of any criminals and psychos. All I'm saying is there ISN'T enough opposition to Jihadi ideas among "ordinary" Muslims. The day Jihadis find out that they'll be shunned and deemed as criminals by Muslims is the day we'll see the end of Jihadism.

May Allah have mercy on your wretched soul!

The elephant in the room is that the biggest contributor to "jihadism" is western foreign policy. Many western intellectuals already recognise and accept this. ISIS is the perfect example since it was literally born from the ashes of the Iraq war. Go back a bit further and you'll realise that Saddam was a US puppet up until the Kuwaiti invasion and that the US had armed him with the very biological weapons that they later used as a pretext for war during the last Iraqi invasion. Go back even further, and you'll realise that Saddam only became a US puppet because the other puppet in the region, the Iranian shah, was overthrown by the so-called "Islamic revolution". Take one step back and you'll find out the the shah was a brutal dictator who had been installed by the CIA in a coup which overthrew a popular secular, democratically elected government. This is all thoroughly documented. It's all interconnected. You can't reduce everything to a simple matter of "beliefs" or verse X in book Y.

This is widely accepted and only a simpleton would deny this. It's not a simple matter of "dey all doingz it becuz Islam is evilz hurr durr". There were militant communist groups in the region in the 70's 80s and as late as the 90s who had the exact same objectives as the current jihadis. The ideology changed, the objectives are exactly the same.

Also, why don't you apply the same standard across the board? If you're going to blame the ideological foundations of Islam for "Islamic terrorism", why don't you blame the ideological foundations of the US/West for the countless atrocities and injustices that it has committed against Muslim civilians? Try to stay consistent. Your approach is very black & white when it comes to Muslims/Islam yet I bet that you'll immediately start seeing grey areas as well all kinds of nuances as soon as we discuss Western imperialism.

[ramzy2277]

The Muslim case is not human failure, its their faith Muslim kill because Islam demands of them. Mohammed preached it he said kill homosexuals, kill nonbelievers, kill apostate, kill kill kill. Why lie? itsnt his fault he was just obeying Mohammed.

What kind of oversimplified, un-nuanced doqonimo is this?

Vigilantism is strictly forbidden. Just because the xadd for the act of homosexuality in an Islamic court is death, it does not mean that it's a free-for-all. Islamic societies were highly complex, highly advanced societies with rule of law. As a kafir, you can disagree with these laws and the premises that they were based on, but to insinuate that Islam calls for random acts of barbarism is just ridiculous and downright disingenuous. No society can function like that.

This is 2016, you have no excuse for being this ignorant.

, Co-sign on this.

[X.Playa]

No matter how you slice it, secular western countries have killed far more innocent people in the Muslim world than vice versa yet nobody is attaching these crimes to the ideological foundations of the West.

Is this X guy now going to renounce democracy and secularism due to the millions of lives that have been destroyed in the name of these ideologies? I doubt it.

ISIS can be numbered in the thousands. We have standing western armies that have caused far more destruction than ISIS or any other ragtag militia (AQ, AS etc) in the name of "freedom" and democracy. I don't see anyone attacking the ideological foundations of the West based on this.

It's also quite ironic that a die-hard qabiilist, of all people, is going to talk about Islam being inherently violent lol. This guy literally supports killing the next man if it benefits his tribe. How is tribalism any different from religious fanaticism? If this guy was an SNM soldier who had stormed and killed a bunch of random "Faqash" he'd be supporting him and writing gabay about his bravery.

Your justification is ludicrous, simply because centuries ago Christian committed crimes against humanity it doesn't absolve Muslims of today. Christianity have atoned and reformed, no Christian will justify today the stoning of people nor burning of witches.

Muslim do justify such crimes against humanity and argue either the Quran said so or Mohammed did so. Islam have not reformed nor atoned for their consistent crimes, they just change sits at the titanic and argue no you should only kill through Islamic state you can't kill individually, still its killing, you still fundamentally believe in a religion that solves all social ills with blood and terror. You argue and justify slavery till today whereas Christian dare not.

Whereas the west and Christianity upholds human life and dignity and free will above the dogma of religion, Muslims are still zombie slaves to their faith. No work of human advancement have been produced by Muslims for the last 6 century, whereas the west have gone through centuries of enlightenment and progression.

According to the xadiith tradition every crime is justified, assassination, killing of elderly and women, rape, slavery, discrimination based on religion, looting, and slaughtering an individual who opted for free thinking and abandoned islaM.

I can quote a Xadiith for each of the above, and 100% of Muslims will argue its justified and its the right thing to do.

Do you people see the intellectual chasms that separate you from the rest of the civilized world.?

[Raganimo]

No matter how you slice it, secular western countries have killed far more innocent people in the Muslim world than vice versa yet nobody is attaching these crimes to the ideological foundations of the West.

Is this X guy now going to renounce democracy and secularism due to the millions of lives that have been destroyed in the name of these ideologies? I doubt it.

ISIS can be numbered in the thousands. We have standing western armies that have caused far more destruction than ISIS or any other ragtag militia (AQ, AS etc) in the name of "freedom" and democracy. I don't see anyone attacking the ideological foundations of the West based on this.

It's also quite ironic that a die-hard qabiilist, of all people, is going to talk about Islam being inherently violent lol. This guy literally supports killing the next man if it benefits his tribe. How is tribalism any different from religious fanaticism? If this guy was an SNM soldier who had stormed and killed a bunch of random "Faqash" he'd be supporting him and writing gabay about his bravery.

Your justification is ludicrous, simply because centuries ago Christian committed crimes against humanity it doesn't absolve Muslims of today. Christianity have atoned and reformed, no Christian will justify today the stoning of people nor burning of witches.

Muslim do justify such crimes against humanity and argue either the Quran said so or Mohammed did so. Islam have not reformed nor atoned for their consistent crimes, they just change sits at the titanic and argue no you should only kill through Islamic state you can't kill individually, still its killing, you still fundamentally believe in a religion that solves all social ills with blood and terror. You argue and justify slavery till today whereas Christian dare not.

Whereas the west and Christianity upholds human life and dignity and free will above the dogma of religion, Muslims are still zombie slaves to their faith. No work of human advancement have been produced by Muslims for the last 6 century, whereas the west have gone through centuries of enlightenment and progression.

According to the xadiith tradition every crime is justified, assassination, killing of elderly and women, rape, slavery, discrimination based on religion, looting, and slaughtering an individual who opted for free thinking and abandoned islaM.

I can quote a Xadiith for each of the above, and 100% of Muslims will argue its justified and its the right thing to do.

Do you people see the intellectual chasms that separate you from the rest of the civilized world.?

Who even mentioned Christianity? I'm talking about a global Western empire which has killed and displaced millions of people all across the globe within the last few decades and you want to bring up ancient history? Lol.

You're fixated on a small ragtag militia somewhere in the deserts of Iraq/Syria yet you ignore the crimes of a vast, organised empire which commits atrocities that are far worse. You're quick to blame the crimes of the former on its ideological foundation, but you do not blame Western ideologies such as secular-liberalism, humanism, democracy, consumerism etc for the crimes of the West. That's a clear double standard.

You even refer to the west as "civilised" yet ignore the simple fact that this "civilisation" was built upon the backs of hundreds of millions of people - including your own forefathers. All I ask is that you apply the same standards across the board. You worship one murderer while condemning another. That's hypocritical.

As for your comment regarding hadith, it only proves my theory that most of you murtads have little knowledge of the Diin in the first place.

Islamic law is a bit more complex than reading a few texts here and there and then making your own conclusions. Hadith are only one component and they have to undergo a rigorous process of classification, interpretation etc.. You don't just pick up a book on English law and then consider yourself an expert, why would you assume that Islamic law, upon which entire civilisations were established spanning from West Africa to Spain to India and the far east, is open for interpretation by every Tom, D!ck and Harry? Doesn't that even seem sightly absurd to you?

No trained jurist would justify randomly killing a bunch of homosexuals. Go to any fatwa site or ask a local scholar. These are facts. Clearly you're out of touch with the Muslim community which is a damn shame since you're Somali, and although you're a murtad, your family is probably Muslim and you still have access to people who are actually trained in Fiqh. Even as a non-believer, it would benefit you to have a more nuanced understanding.