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Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:32 am
by Museyusuf
It's not about how many sections each sub clan splits into, it's about consistency and having a lot of children for late generations.
Abokor Ahmed (Ahmed Farah) only splits into 2 sections, but today their numbers are huge. They're catching up with my sub clan Reer yusuf, who is split into 14 sections.
Abokor Ahmed became large recently in the last 100 years or so. An average Abokor Ahmed guy in burco is having minimum 10 children. 15-20 children is normal, not even seen as big.
Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:17 pm
by X.Playa
Museyusuf wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:24 am
HJ landheere are Reer yusuf, subclan of Reer Dahir
Reer yusuf is 14th generation Isaaq clan.
Reer Yusuf is split into 14 sections Muse being the oldest and largest. Muse then splits into 15 sections
I think reer Yuusuf is 11.
Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:21 am
by Bandit
X.Playa wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:22 am
Still the book doesn't compare any two clans, nor generations elapsed from isaaq and daarood to a particular segmentation is relevant to anything.
and where did i say the book was comparing? I simply corrected your flawed comparison of 2 different generations
I give you a simple example Mr clever.
You and I are a contemporary today, 200 years later your descendants and my descendants can be compared population wise regardless to how many generation you and I trace to our respectively sheikh isxaaq or Daarood.
yes this is right but you are trying to compare let's say
All the descendants of my 4th generation grandson to your grandson few generation older obviously the results will favor you because of how you did the comparison
We can only compare sub clans that are about the same age. If we use your crazy formula comparing 17th decent from isaaq to 17 decent from Daarood then one has yo assume Daarood and Isaaq were contemporaneous which is not the case.
Those generation numbers matter when you compare within isaaq or within daarood.
Nice try butl iam afraid Naaleeye Axmed vs Caynaashe is finished by all logic reer Caynaashe are more then 4 times the size of Naaleeye Axmed or reer Mahad .
let me get this straight your your​ telling me nalaye ahmed is from the same generation as caynaash you have no proof what year either was born or died the only little clue we have is this book saying that both original darod and isaaq clans started around the 1200 meaning they should be equal in all things the generation difference was probably 1 or 2 generation at most in not less this is to make up for the few decades isaaq was behind.
Your argument is pretty flawed the book itself grouped ugaryahan into 1 block while grouping the isaaq sub clan mentioned into it's own block meaning more or less they are comparable
Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:17 pm
by X.Playa
You can't creat your own logic. I know daaroods tend to creat their own matrix but that isn't how reality operates.
You can't compare two different clans based on their generations time. Daaroods and Issaq lived at different times so its stupid to make such comparison. You can compare descendants of the two who lived at the same time. The logic and math is self evident. I think you are ill educated and sadly ill informed these things are basic common sense.
Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:25 am
by BestPlaya
Museyusuf wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:32 am
It's not about how many sections each sub clan splits into, it's about consistency and having a lot of children for late generations.
Abokor Ahmed (Ahmed Farah) only splits into 2 sections, but today their numbers are huge. They're catching up with my sub clan Reer yusuf, who is split into 14 sections.
Abokor Ahmed became large recently in the last 100 years or so. An average Abokor Ahmed guy in burco is having minimum 10 children. 15-20 children is normal, not even seen as big.
.Yeah it's all about consistency .Iyo waliba,Absence of constant clan warfare for a long period of time.This will save the big casualties that a certain clan would have lost to the rival clan.Marka ani ahantayda, Laandheere dhex degan tolkii kaliya wuxuu mar walbo ka tira badan yahay laandheere Shisheeye daris LA ah oo colaad joogto ah oo weerar iyo weerar-celis kujira.
Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:20 am
by Gabyaa
X.Playa wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:20 pm
Finally I got an online copy. Very informative at sub clan level.
One of the biggest surprise the :
1- Cabdi Ciise vs Sugulle Caynayshe they were contemporaries so they can be compared. Lets start with Cabdi Ciise he had 4 sons:
1- Adan Cabdi
2- Guuleed Cabdi
3- Afweyne Cabdi
4- Caynayshe Cabdi.
Guuleed Cabdi ( Sultan Guuleed) had 17 sons :
1- Yuusuf
2- rooble
3- Jaamac
4- Diiriye
5-Cigaal
6- Gaatax
7- faarax
8- Ducaale
9- Raage
10- cali
11- Abdi
12- Wacays
13- habarwa
14- Cawd
15- maxamed
16- sugulle
17- Amarah
18- Magan ( later this line died after the sultanate conflict)
Sugulle Caynayshe 9 sons:
1- Ducaale
2-maxamed
3-maxmud
4- Ahmed
5- Wacays
6-faarax
7- geese
8-rooble
9-Diiriye
Diiriye Sugulle. ( first hy sultan) a contemporary of Sultan Guuleed had 19.
1- hirsi
2- Adan
3- abdalle
4-Ali
5- Yuusuf
6- samatar
7- ismaaciil
8-abokor
9- maxmud
10-Cigaal
11-Nur
12- cali
13- cawd
14- Guuleed
15-Hassan
16- Ahmed
17-cismaan
18- Jaamac
19- Aman
Those are the laandheere of ciidagale and hy or garxajis.
Can't compare habar Awal because I don't know who was contemporary of who and if they are the same level of tribal segmentations or who brags of laanndheernimo but sure I can do the Reer Daahir faankoodii baa laga fadhiisan waayaye.
The daarood as usual are total embarrassment the dhulos Reer Cali Naaleeye Ahmed, the Majeerteen Reer Mahad are utter embarrassment. Comming up.
Could you send me the online copy, adigoo mahadsan?
Re: General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:40 am
by TarTar
Gabyaa wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:20 am
X.Playa wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:20 pm
Finally I got an online copy. Very informative at sub clan level.
One of the biggest surprise the :
1- Cabdi Ciise vs Sugulle Caynayshe they were contemporaries so they can be compared. Lets start with Cabdi Ciise he had 4 sons:
1- Adan Cabdi
2- Guuleed Cabdi
3- Afweyne Cabdi
4- Caynayshe Cabdi.
Guuleed Cabdi ( Sultan Guuleed) had 17 sons :
1- Yuusuf
2- rooble
3- Jaamac
4- Diiriye
5-Cigaal
6- Gaatax
7- faarax
8- Ducaale
9- Raage
10- cali
11- Abdi
12- Wacays
13- habarwa
14- Cawd
15- maxamed
16- sugulle
17- Amarah
18- Magan ( later this line died after the sultanate conflict)
Sugulle Caynayshe 9 sons:
1- Ducaale
2-maxamed
3-maxmud
4- Ahmed
5- Wacays
6-faarax
7- geese
8-rooble
9-Diiriye
Diiriye Sugulle. ( first hy sultan) a contemporary of Sultan Guuleed had 19.
1- hirsi
2- Adan
3- abdalle
4-Ali
5- Yuusuf
6- samatar
7- ismaaciil
8-abokor
9- maxmud
10-Cigaal
11-Nur
12- cali
13- cawd
14- Guuleed
15-Hassan
16- Ahmed
17-cismaan
18- Jaamac
19- Aman
Those are the laandheere of ciidagale and hy or garxajis.
Can't compare habar Awal because I don't know who was contemporary of who and if they are the same level of tribal segmentations or who brags of laanndheernimo but sure I can do the Reer Daahir faankoodii baa laga fadhiisan waayaye.
The daarood as usual are total embarrassment the dhulos Reer Cali Naaleeye Ahmed, the Majeerteen Reer Mahad are utter embarrassment. Comming up.
Could you send me the online copy, adigoo mahadsan?
X.Playa wrote:
Sharmarke91 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:40 am
All that's been proved here is how langab the Isaac are!
Darod existed about 100 to 150 years prior to Isaac - that is about 5 to 6 generations. However, it is no excuse for the Isaac to say darod existed before therefore, he would have more decedents based on that. Take Dir for example who existed way before darod yet, the darod population is 10 times the size of dir today.
Another, point to take into consideration is somalis often don't count or forget ancestors who only father one son - for example in Dhulbahante, Cadulle farax shirshore fathered the farax garad tribe yet, most people don't include him when their reflecting on their lineage.
So, chances are the Isaac have had more ancestors of this kind which explains there short lineages.
Pathetic whoever was talking about the argument you raised? Don't create your own parallel universe the facts are simple your qurji clan is a minor clan compared to all majore isaaq sub clans and that includes all your harti brothers.
can u share tha copy
