More proof that the Somalis are an Oromo off-shoot

[Waachis]

LOL so the other quotes were just straight up wrong, in your eyes, sir?
Oromo and Galla refer to the same people, bro. Yes, Galla is offensive, but if someone says ''Galla,'' don't you know which nation they're referring to, even if they're insulting the Oromo?


''The Somali are allied to the Oromos, and are clearly a Hamitic race; but to a limited extent the description of the Somali as a half-caste race of Oromos and Southern Arabians is correct, although the term Hamitic is unquestionably the largest constituent element.''

[The living races of mankind : a popular illustrated account of the customs, habits, pursuits, feasts & ceremonies of the races of mankind throughout the world
by Johnston, Harry Hamilton, Sir, 1858-1927; Hutchinson, H. N. (Henry Neville), 1856-1927, page 372]


how do u feel about this one? I can bring more.

[AwRastaale]

In all honesty you starting to become annoying because I'm tired of explaining two cents to you but it's clear nothing is going through your thick head.

None of the diary entries by Westerners who simply refer you as "Galla" ever said Somali is the son and Galla is the father.

Saying a half cast is not same as father and son. It just means Somalis could be a hybrid race but that's not accurate. Somalis are pure African Cushitics just like the Galla, Afar, Sidamo, Saho, Beja, Agew, Konso and Bilen.

Any Oromo reading your repetitive Western diaries who don't even refer to you as your proper name would be disappointed. Oromo and Somali are brothers who branch out from the same Cushitic roots.

There is no father and son romance here kid.

Funny how you happy to quote Westerners referring to you as Galla but as soon as some Amhara mentions your past and the history of "Galla" identity you play victim.

[Negusyenegast]

1/ where/what is the sources you quoted? i see no names of books or scholars, just numbers?
2/ do not throw insults around, if you cannot handle them yourself. you get what you give out.
3/ saying amharas outnumber oromos is like saying afars outnumber somalis--it's simply not true or based on facts.
TPLF hates oromos more than they hate amharas, who are still their christian and semitic kin, so they have no reason to lie about amhara numbers or oromo numbers to benefit the oromo. if anything, tplf wants to downplay the numbers of oromos.
4/ amharas and tigrayans were the main benefecaries of the empires expansion--while the southerners lost their land rights and became serfs on their own land, tigrayans and amharas never lost their land rights. while they enjoyed their languages, the southerners had their culture and languages banned, denigrated, and forced them to speak amharic.


Here's how the Oromo assimilated those they conquered:

''Hence, one notable difference between oromo and Amhara assimilation is that the Oromos gradually grant full citizenship to the peoples they assiilate, a fact that steadily swells their numbers from generation to generation. Their success derives from the fact that they give ample elbow room to the assimilated elites who are allowed to:
1.Merge completely and claim common ancestry with their Oromo hosts;
2. Retain their identity and become new corporate entities (clans) inside Oromo society; 3) Form an alliance with the Oromo hosts and duplicate Oromo institutions for themselves. These are the three different strategies of assimilation available to aliens at different stages of becoming Oromo.''

[Integration and Peace in East Africa: A History of the Oromo Nation
By T. Etefa-pg 80]


How about the Amharas?

''Precisely the opposite condition to the Oromo seemed to me to characterize the Amhara of Northern Shoa and my impression has been confirmed by others. Amhara live in closed communities, hard for newcomers to join. Newcomers are regarded with suspicion and, if they belong to other ethnic groups, find it extremely difficult to gain acceptance.''

Your mind is totally gone, it has been tainted by Oromo nationalism. You can't even see the points I have made. Even your own points agree with what I am saying. Oromos assimilate people, which destroys the former ethnic groups. Habeshas only set up cities which they inhabit, leaving the rural areas to the people of the area. What's worse, loosing your ethnicity, culture, and so on or having to speak Amharic as a second language?

Do you honestly believe oromos inhabited north and central Ethiopia since time immortal? Do you believe that the Oromo migration which has been documented, to be false?

You can't keep living a lie, the truth will set you free.

[Waachis]

Nah, it's the chauvinist tigrayan nationalism that makes you think tigrayans/tplf/abyssinians were always right, never did wrong, and never conquered lands, etc. according to you, they're angels sent from heaven.
as far as we, the oromos go, Not every group we assimilated, was destroyed completely. and the same thing happened to the oromos, many were assimilated into other cultures and completely lost their identity. the Abyssinian form of conquest was not more effective or humane, than the oromo, because amharas never gave equality to those whom they assimilated. to this day, the agews/qemants/etc are marginalized in amhara region.
meanwhile, agew-oromo relations are great.
saying it's just as easy as speaking amharic downplays the horrible things the abyssinian emperors did to the people of the south, u see how arrogant u are? do u think it's just language? what about the banning of ALL LANGUAGES except for amharic?
what about amhara warlords forcing southern farmers to give up a large portion of their produce, to them, for nothing in exchange?

no, never said oromos always inhabited those lands, but the habashas definitely didn't... hence their name HABESH meaning MIXED in Arabic, MIXED as in HYBRID OF ARABS AND AFRICANS..

[Waachis]

In all honesty you starting to become annoying because I'm tired of explaining two cents to you but it's clear nothing is going through your thick head.

None of the diary entries by Westerners who simply refer you as "Galla" ever said Somali is the son and Galla is the father.

Saying a half cast is not same as father and son. It just means Somalis could be a hybrid race but that's not accurate. Somalis are pure African Cushitics just like the Galla, Afar, Sidamo, Saho, Beja, Agew, Konso and Bilen.

Any Oromo reading your repetitive Western diaries who don't even refer to you as your proper name would be disappointed. Oromo and Somali are brothers who branch out from the same Cushitic roots.

There is no father and son romance here kid.

Funny how you happy to quote Westerners referring to you as Galla but as soon as some Amhara mentions your past and the history of "Galla" identity you play victim.

Annoying, like the same YOU were at Mereja, when you were insulting Oromos day and night, as if it were our 5 daily prayers?
All I am doing is asking you to refute the theories these men suggested, and if you can't do so, with your own historical proof/sources; why not just say you cannot do so??

1. Westerners tend to be less biased AGAINST the Oromos, than Abyssinians are.
2. I do not mind the word ''galla,'' but i will always clarify that we never referred to ourselves as such.
3. if you say galla, regardless of the ethnicity, we know who you are referring to. just like if someone says ''shirtam zoomali,'' we know who they're referring to.
4. WHY are you so angry at the idea of somalis being an off-shoot, or children, of the OROMOS? is it because you see the oromos as inferior? or?

[smartyt]

We Somalis know we came from Oromo

[AwRastaale]

Not worth any time any more.

[Waachis]

Did the somalis kill innocent oromo during the 1977-78 war against ethiopia??
i thought oromos were allied to somalia during the war under the somali abo faction?

I think Waachis is making it up.

''The Oromo peasants of Hararghe, Bale and Sidamo regions suffered severely from violence perpetrated against them by both the invading Somali troops and the Ethiopian forces. The Somali soldiers looted and destroyed Oromo property, molested and killed people and claimed their lands (cf. Gellner, 1983: 84). The Ethiopian forces suspecting the Oromos of siding with the Somalis, treated them with similar repressive measures.''

[Flight and integration. Causes of mass exodus from Ethiopia and problems of integration in the Sudan. page 108.]

[Waachis]

Did the somalis kill innocent oromo during the 1977-78 war against ethiopia??
i thought oromos were allied to somalia during the war under the somali abo faction?

''The Oromo peasants of Hararghe, Bale and Sidamo regions suffered severely from violence perpetrated against them by both the invading Somali troops and the Ethiopian forces. The Somali soldiers looted and destroyed Oromo property, molested and killed people and claimed their lands (cf. Gellner, 1983: 84). The Ethiopian forces suspecting the Oromos of siding with the Somalis, treated them with similar repressive measures.''

[Flight and integration. Causes of mass exodus from Ethiopia and problems of integration in the Sudan. page 108.]



I have more proof, let me know. i maybe wrong at times, cause i'm human, but i wont accuse your people of crimes, if i didn't have proof for them.

[Negusyenegast]

Nah, it's the chauvinist tigrayan nationalism that makes you think tigrayans/tplf/abyssinians were always right, never did wrong, and never conquered lands, etc. according to you, they're angels sent from heaven.
as far as we, the oromos go, Not every group we assimilated, was destroyed completely. and the same thing happened to the oromos, many were assimilated into other cultures and completely lost their identity. the Abyssinian form of conquest was not more effective or humane, than the oromo, because amharas never gave equality to those whom they assimilated. to this day, the agews/qemants/etc are marginalized in amhara region.
meanwhile, agew-oromo relations are great.
saying it's just as easy as speaking amharic downplays the horrible things the abyssinian emperors did to the people of the south, u see how arrogant u are? do u think it's just language? what about the banning of ALL LANGUAGES except for amharic?
what about amhara warlords forcing southern farmers to give up a large portion of their produce, to them, for nothing in exchange?

no, never said oromos always inhabited those lands, but the habashas definitely didn't... hence their name HABESH meaning MIXED in Arabic, MIXED as in HYBRID OF ARABS AND AFRICANS..

I never said that the Ethiopian forces never committed atrocities. This is a given during those times, but they did allow ethnicities to survive without assimilating them. Once again what's worse, losing or having to pay tax or losing your identity? On a side note these atrocities of Ethiopia were also committed by oromos on oromos. These atrocities were not because of ethnicity, the western oromos who didn't resist the Ethiopian forces were never attacked. Oromos have made up Ethiopias army, aristocrats, emperors, peasants since their expansion into northern Ethiopia. Do you really think you could have survived (yejuu and wollo oromos) if habeshas really hated you. We treat you with the same respect we receive.

On a side note, would you rather side with other Ethiopians or Somalis who want nothing but to take the bale and arsi area?

Ps Agews are the most patriotic Ethiopians and have no hate for Amharas or tigrayans. They have also made up emperors and so on. I don't think you've ever even met or befriended one, so let's not lie about their relations.

[Negusyenegast]

Nah, it's the chauvinist tigrayan nationalism that makes you think tigrayans/tplf/abyssinians were always right, never did wrong, and never conquered lands, etc. according to you, they're angels sent from heaven.
as far as we, the oromos go, Not every group we assimilated, was destroyed completely. and the same thing happened to the oromos, many were assimilated into other cultures and completely lost their identity. the Abyssinian form of conquest was not more effective or humane, than the oromo, because amharas never gave equality to those whom they assimilated. to this day, the agews/qemants/etc are marginalized in amhara region.
meanwhile, agew-oromo relations are great.
saying it's just as easy as speaking amharic downplays the horrible things the abyssinian emperors did to the people of the south, u see how arrogant u are? do u think it's just language? what about the banning of ALL LANGUAGES except for amharic?
what about amhara warlords forcing southern farmers to give up a large portion of their produce, to them, for nothing in exchange?

no, never said oromos always inhabited those lands, but the habashas definitely didn't... hence their name HABESH meaning MIXED in Arabic, MIXED as in HYBRID OF ARABS AND AFRICANS..

I never said that the Ethiopian forces never committed atrocities. This is a given during those times, but they did allow ethnicities to survive without assimilating them. Once again what's worse, losing or having to pay tax or losing your identity? On a side note these atrocities of Ethiopia were also committed by oromos on oromos. These atrocities were not because of ethnicity, the western oromos who didn't resist the Ethiopian forces were never attacked. Oromos have made up Ethiopias army, aristocrats, emperors, peasants since their expansion into northern Ethiopia. Do you really think you could have survived (yejuu and wollo oromos) if habeshas really hated you. We treat you with the same respect we receive.

On a side note, would you rather side with other Ethiopians or Somalis who want nothing but to take the bale and arsi area?

Ps Agews are the most patriotic Ethiopians and have no hate for Amharas or tigrayans. They have also made up emperors and so on. I don't think you've ever even met or befriended one, so let's not lie about their relations. They have also lived side by side with habeshas and still to this day haven't gotten fully assimilated, this proves my point further.

I'm also not a chauvinist, I don't support tplf and think they should be banned. I believe that ethtiopia should form a unitary government with the former regions in place. I don't want ethiopia divided into bantustans. I want parties to be led by policies not ethnicity, but I'm sure you rather have the current ethnic parties because you are a hypocrite.

[Waachis]

Nah, it's the chauvinist tigrayan nationalism that makes you think tigrayans/tplf/abyssinians were always right, never did wrong, and never conquered lands, etc. according to you, they're angels sent from heaven.
as far as we, the oromos go, Not every group we assimilated, was destroyed completely. and the same thing happened to the oromos, many were assimilated into other cultures and completely lost their identity. the Abyssinian form of conquest was not more effective or humane, than the oromo, because amharas never gave equality to those whom they assimilated. to this day, the agews/qemants/etc are marginalized in amhara region.
meanwhile, agew-oromo relations are great.
saying it's just as easy as speaking amharic downplays the horrible things the abyssinian emperors did to the people of the south, u see how arrogant u are? do u think it's just language? what about the banning of ALL LANGUAGES except for amharic?
what about amhara warlords forcing southern farmers to give up a large portion of their produce, to them, for nothing in exchange?

no, never said oromos always inhabited those lands, but the habashas definitely didn't... hence their name HABESH meaning MIXED in Arabic, MIXED as in HYBRID OF ARABS AND AFRICANS..

I never said that the Ethiopian forces never committed atrocities. This is a given during those times, but they did allow ethnicities to survive without assimilating them. Once again what's worse, losing or having to pay tax or losing your identity? On a side note these atrocities of Ethiopia were also committed by oromos on oromos. These atrocities were not because of ethnicity, the western oromos who didn't resist the Ethiopian forces were never attacked. Oromos have made up Ethiopias army, aristocrats, emperors, peasants since their expansion into northern Ethiopia. Do you really think you could have survived (yejuu and wollo oromos) if habeshas really hated you. We treat you with the same respect we receive.

On a side note, would you rather side with other Ethiopians or Somalis who want nothing but to take the bale and arsi area?

Ps Agews are the most patriotic Ethiopians and have no hate for Amharas or tigrayans. They have also made up emperors and so on. I don't think you've ever even met or befriended one, so let's not lie about their relations.

[Waachis]

Nah, it's the chauvinist tigrayan nationalism that makes you think tigrayans/tplf/abyssinians were always right, never did wrong, and never conquered lands, etc. according to you, they're angels sent from heaven.
as far as we, the oromos go, Not every group we assimilated, was destroyed completely. and the same thing happened to the oromos, many were assimilated into other cultures and completely lost their identity. the Abyssinian form of conquest was not more effective or humane, than the oromo, because amharas never gave equality to those whom they assimilated. to this day, the agews/qemants/etc are marginalized in amhara region.
meanwhile, agew-oromo relations are great.
saying it's just as easy as speaking amharic downplays the horrible things the abyssinian emperors did to the people of the south, u see how arrogant u are? do u think it's just language? what about the banning of ALL LANGUAGES except for amharic?
what about amhara warlords forcing southern farmers to give up a large portion of their produce, to them, for nothing in exchange?

no, never said oromos always inhabited those lands, but the habashas definitely didn't... hence their name HABESH meaning MIXED in Arabic, MIXED as in HYBRID OF ARABS AND AFRICANS..

I never said that the Ethiopian forces never committed atrocities. This is a given during those times, but they did allow ethnicities to survive without assimilating them. Once again what's worse, losing or having to pay tax or losing your identity? On a side note these atrocities of Ethiopia were also committed by oromos on oromos. These atrocities were not because of ethnicity, the western oromos who didn't resist the Ethiopian forces were never attacked. Oromos have made up Ethiopias army, aristocrats, emperors, peasants since their expansion into northern Ethiopia. Do you really think you could have survived (yejuu and wollo oromos) if habeshas really hated you. We treat you with the same respect we receive.

On a side note, would you rather side with other Ethiopians or Somalis who want nothing but to take the bale and arsi area?

Ps Agews are the most patriotic Ethiopians and have no hate for Amharas or tigrayans. They have also made up emperors and so on. I don't think you've ever even met or befriended one, so let's not lie about their relations.

Allow ethnic groups to survive? AKA Whoever survived the massacre and enslavement, was allowed to live? Is that some kind of abyssinian justice or favor that you're doing those people?
if the oromo form of conquest was worse, we wouldn't have captured more land than both the amhara and tigrayans combined.
we didn't capture more land because we had superior technology, in comparison to the Abyssinians.
we captured more land because our egalitarian system form of governance is very different than the strict, hierarchical society of the abyssinians. it attracted more people to our fold, to be adopted, given an oromo name, and assimilated into oromo society.
hence the reason why outsiders called the oromo culture ''open, kind, and welcoming, as long as you work hard,'' while describing the abyssinian society as ''closed off to strangers, mistrusting of others, etc.''
there are pros and cons, however, to both the oromo system and the abyssinian system, this I must admit.

as far as the yejju and wollo, for the most part, they came there with military force, not because you tigrayans welcomed them. the same way tplf came to oromia and elsewhere in ethiopia with force, and not because they were wanted there or something else.
the wollo oromo, for example, were requested to gondar, to help them fight off the tigrayans who would've captured power (and they did, under the powerful tigrayan ruler named ras mikael sehul).
the oromo there even made the oromo language of the courts of gondar and all political circles.
not only that, the amhara and tigrayans weren't united, the amhara saw tigrayans as a threat to their own grip on power.
so the oromo balanced things out in favor of the amhara. hence the reason tigrayans are apt to say ''amharas are half galla (oromo).''
so do not act as if things are that simple, as if the oromos weren't ''destroyed'' in the north, simply due to ''abyssinian generosity.''

as far as the somalis go... while i support their right to be free of ethiopian interference, i do not support their territorial claims in ethiopia.
whatever issues i have with tigrayans, is different, because i do believe tplf will force secession onto tigray when the time is right.
so there is no future for oromo-tigray relations, but i am sure we oromos will work with and negotiate with amharas and other ethiopians eventually.

[Lalune]

Somali's are Somali's and Oromo's are different. Many Oromo's are actually Somali too.
We are basically cousins-related, but not the same.

[Negusyenegast]

Nah, it's the chauvinist tigrayan nationalism that makes you think tigrayans/tplf/abyssinians were always right, never did wrong, and never conquered lands, etc. according to you, they're angels sent from heaven.
as far as we, the oromos go, Not every group we assimilated, was destroyed completely. and the same thing happened to the oromos, many were assimilated into other cultures and completely lost their identity. the Abyssinian form of conquest was not more effective or humane, than the oromo, because amharas never gave equality to those whom they assimilated. to this day, the agews/qemants/etc are marginalized in amhara region.
meanwhile, agew-oromo relations are great.
saying it's just as easy as speaking amharic downplays the horrible things the abyssinian emperors did to the people of the south, u see how arrogant u are? do u think it's just language? what about the banning of ALL LANGUAGES except for amharic?
what about amhara warlords forcing southern farmers to give up a large portion of their produce, to them, for nothing in exchange?

no, never said oromos always inhabited those lands, but the habashas definitely didn't... hence their name HABESH meaning MIXED in Arabic, MIXED as in HYBRID OF ARABS AND AFRICANS..

I never said that the Ethiopian forces never committed atrocities. This is a given during those times, but they did allow ethnicities to survive without assimilating them. Once again what's worse, losing or having to pay tax or losing your identity? On a side note these atrocities of Ethiopia were also committed by oromos on oromos. These atrocities were not because of ethnicity, the western oromos who didn't resist the Ethiopian forces were never attacked. Oromos have made up Ethiopias army, aristocrats, emperors, peasants since their expansion into northern Ethiopia. Do you really think you could have survived (yejuu and wollo oromos) if habeshas really hated you. We treat you with the same respect we receive.

On a side note, would you rather side with other Ethiopians or Somalis who want nothing but to take the bale and arsi area?

Ps Agews are the most patriotic Ethiopians and have no hate for Amharas or tigrayans. They have also made up emperors and so on. I don't think you've ever even met or befriended one, so let's not lie about their relations.

Allow ethnic groups to survive? AKA Whoever survived the massacre and enslavement, was allowed to live? Is that some kind of abyssinian justice or favor that you're doing those people?
if the oromo form of conquest was worse, we wouldn't have captured more land than both the amhara and tigrayans combined.
we didn't capture more land because we had superior technology, in comparison to the Abyssinians.
we captured more land because our egalitarian system form of governance is very different than the strict, hierarchical society of the abyssinians. it attracted more people to our fold, to be adopted, given an oromo name, and assimilated into oromo society.
hence the reason why outsiders called the oromo culture ''open, kind, and welcoming, as long as you work hard,'' while describing the abyssinian society as ''closed off to strangers, mistrusting of others, etc.''
there are pros and cons, however, to both the oromo system and the abyssinian system, this I must admit.

as far as the yejju and wollo, for the most part, they came there with military force, not because you tigrayans welcomed them. the same way tplf came to oromia and elsewhere in ethiopia with force, and not because they were wanted there or something else.
the wollo oromo, for example, were requested to gondar, to help them fight off the tigrayans who would've captured power (and they did, under the powerful tigrayan ruler named ras mikael sehul).
the oromo there even made the oromo language of the courts of gondar and all political circles.
not only that, the amhara and tigrayans weren't united, the amhara saw tigrayans as a threat to their own grip on power.
so the oromo balanced things out in favor of the amhara. hence the reason tigrayans are apt to say ''amharas are half galla (oromo).''
so do not act as if things are that simple, as if the oromos weren't ''destroyed'' in the north, simply due to ''abyssinian generosity.''

as far as the somalis go... while i support their right to be free of ethiopian interference, i do not support their territorial claims in ethiopia.
whatever issues i have with tigrayans, is different, because i do believe tplf will force secession onto tigray when the time is right.
so there is no future for oromo-tigray relations, but i am sure we oromos will work with and negotiate with amharas and other ethiopians eventually.

Once again, you're missing my point. No one wants to be assimilated by oromos. This is the truth. I would rather be a second class citizen and have to learn a second language than lose my identity.

Tigrayans don't want to separate from Ethiopia, we literally created the country. Have you even been to Ethiopia? Not everyone thinks on ethnic lines...