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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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bareento wrote:Exactly the same way Somalis r a people united by language :up:

Believe me an Issa galbeed is more related to his Afar or Karayyu foes than the Rahawweeyni in South Somali :up:
Somalis are united by language, religion, single culture, and blood relations. If you know anything about Somalis, you would know "Raxanweyn" are not a distinct seperate clan but a grouping of all lost Somalis in the pioneering days when they were far away from their traditional clans and joined each other for support.

Raxan = walking
Wayn = big

Group of walking, basically traveling companions.

Every Somali clan is composed in Raxanweyn. For example Shaatigaduud who is the leader of the Raxanweyn Resistance Army is famously known to be of Warsangeli Darood descent but like you said, Somalis attribute things to blood relations so instead of being called "sheegad" (or assimilation) they would rather just save face and stick to their present order.
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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James Dahl wrote:
Voltage wrote:James, to use street language everybody and their momma knows Akiisho and Jaarso are Somali. The real dispute is over Nolle, the so-called "Oromo" of Harrar. They are the remnants of Imaam Ahmed's army. I know a Nolle and the abtirsi goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub, the parents pay "qaaraan" with the Shiiqaal in this city, they speak Somali but if you ask what they are the reply is "Oromo". It is mind blowing I tell ya! :lol:
If their abtiris goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub in particular, that would mean Noole (or at least your friend's branch) are actually Martille Hiraab Hawiye, as Aw-Qudub in particular is the Hawiye branch of Sheekhaal.
How does he trace Noole to Aw-Qudub?
Her particular family does, other Nolle's count to various other Somalis clans and it is in such a way it is real Somali abtirsi, memorization of father and father and father. I have every right to believe much of the Eastern Oromo especially around Harrar are the remnants of Imam Ahmed's army and pulled a much earlier "Raxanweyn" system but within a whole different ethnic group because that was already the extent of Somali people's boundary.
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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James Dahl wrote:If their abtiris goes to Shiiqaal Aw-Qudub in particular, that would mean Noole (or at least your friend's branch) are actually Martille Hiraab Hawiye,
Btw Aw-Qudub do not claim Martiile Hiraab because they never immigrated to Hawiye land. Even the Gendershe Shiiqaal do not claim that (they are more Benadiri these ones), only the Lo'boge Shiiqaal allow themselves to be called "Martiile Hiraab".
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Voltage wrote:
bareento wrote:In ancient times Oromos used to name places or provinces by thoe name of those inhabiting the place.
Hence u have Baabile.

In fact Baabbile, Daga (jaarso + Noole) , Alaa were part of once powerful Oromo Confederation known as Afran Qallo, (the four of qallo)
That would be a convenient excuse and would make sense but every single map as late as the colonial maps showed you did not even settle in those lands. What came first the land or the people? If the people came first, then what you are saying would make sense but the reality is the first time you settled and were seen in any of these lands were a little over a hundred years ago, hence you did not give the land its name but the land gave you its name.

There is an Oromo tribe called Kaffa but if you read the article on Imam Nuur, he named the place Kaffa where he defeated a band of Oromos. THe Oromos then came to be synonymous iwth that land and adopted its name which is what I said happened with Baabile and stuff.
Voltage,

There is no Oromo tribe called Kaffa; there were an ancient ethiopian province called Kafa :up:
The Oromos living there r Jimma Oromos (part of the ancient MACCA Confederacy);

If we were not around hundred years ago, how com we fought against the Turco-Egyptians, who conquered Harar city in mid 19th century.

My friend I am from that place, I myself am from Afran Qallo, I know a little bit about that region.
I do not expect u to accept wat I say, as a nationalist u r claiming wat u think is good for your nation :up:
But one day we have, soon or late, to get out of this claiming process and workout on solving real problems :up:

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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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bareento wrote:My friend I am from that place, I myself am from Afran Qallo, I know a little bit about that region.
I do not expect u to accept wat I say, as a nationalist u r claiming wat u think is good for your nation :up:
But one day we have, soon or late, to get out of this claiming process and workout on solving real problems :up:

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No wonder you are in a Somali forum. You my friend are a de-Somalized Somali. But look at it this way you should be proud because this means your ancestors were part of the great campaign of Imam Ahmed. Come to sniff out your kin eh? :lol:
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Voltage wrote:
bareento wrote:My friend I am from that place, I myself am from Afran Qallo, I know a little bit about that region.
I do not expect u to accept wat I say, as a nationalist u r claiming wat u think is good for your nation :up:
But one day we have, soon or late, to get out of this claiming process and workout on solving real problems :up:

Peace

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No wonder you are in a Somali forum. You my friend a de-Somalized Somali. Come to sniff out your kin eh? :lol:
u naughty kkkkkkkkkkkkk

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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Remember what I said on the second page:
Voltage wrote:You are right. I think Muslim Oromos should be given free entrance to Somalia although in a controlled fashion. Our country cannot grow exponentially because we are too small and the land is way too big. Plus we need a little bit of diversity which is always a good thing. :up:
You my long lost kin are first in the line. :mrgreen:
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Voltage wrote:
bareento wrote:My friend I am from that place, I myself am from Afran Qallo, I know a little bit about that region.
I do not expect u to accept wat I say, as a nationalist u r claiming wat u think is good for your nation :up:
But one day we have, soon or late, to get out of this claiming process and workout on solving real problems :up:

Peace

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No wonder you are in a Somali forum. You my friend are a de-Somalized Somali. But look at it this way you should be proud because this means your ancestors were part of the great campaign of Imam Ahmed. Come to sniff out your kin eh? :lol:
Voltage,
u seem never running out of arguments :up:
Your “discovery” about Waaq’s connection to Arabs, were mind blowing although I am not convinced :up:

And now, Afran Qallo, as ancient Muslim Somali Soldiers!!! Kkkk nice try :up:


Voltage, Oromos do have Abtirsi, and it goes back more than 40 generation
But it was only used for Diya paying and self help purpose, and also to determine the eldest tribes and the eldest clans, as they were the one who should lead some ceremony;


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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Bareento,

A lot of people here are down playing our African roots & the fact we originated in the Highlands not Arabia. What is to be ashamed of to be a part of an ancient race of Africans whose ancestors influenced the Egyptians ?
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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AbdiWahab252 we don't downplay our origine around here!
I have never heard from anyone in my familly entertaining us with our ancester jumping on a flying carpet from kazakistan.
It is only those insecure, mentally enslaved that think ( altough some of them are dark and ugly as any gorillaz) their forefather came on a flying carpet and somehow occupy all this land without any grounds of logic
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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DjibSomali,

I know you don't. Some do and try to convince others of the Arab connection.
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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This debate going on here is very interesting.

SA,
Are you claiming that the Geri Komboo Daroods really are Oromos? This is something i been known. You might as well add the Dir clans too. While i was digging on info on the net i came across what Transactions of the Bombay Geographical Society, Volume 8 By Bombay Geographical Society where it says in a statement regarding the DIR that "THE GALLA CLANS OF ESA SOMALI and GIDRBURSI" and then later says the the issa and gedrbursi have "several peculiarities that mark their Galla orgin." If this is true that would mean the most clearest of western Somlais the Dir are Oroomo. The text says Nothing about Akicho, nothing about Gurguraa, and nothing about Jaarso.

Gursum/FunyanBiro is land that is rightfully belonging to Oromos. This really funny readying that Gursum you said belongs to Somalis while just a couple days ago watching EtV's somali program talking about development education in gursum. The really funny part that the Oromo program was talking about gursum just a week ago and about the same development but in the farming sector. The Tplf is really working are two respective communities bad.

Also in Ibrahim Yusuf's article titled 'Can the Young Despots in Somali Regional State Reconcile With the Diaspora Communities', he states that "The appropriation of many districts to ORS(Oromo Regional State) including Babile, Fayanbiro, Arjisagora(????),
Jinacsani(whose Wikipedia page has suddenly disappeared over the past year and some for some reason)and Ma’ayso made many intellectuals more apprehensive about the EPRDF’s policies toward Somali people". By reading this he should know that the man is trying claim land that is the Jaarsos backyard except Miesso. Any decision that happened over rights of lands is the decision upon the jaarsos themselves. If they decidce Oromo it is oromo, and if it is Somali then its somali.

Eid in Gursum in Affan Oromo
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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Gara Man and Bareento, I am very opposed to this whole inappropriate categorization of Oromo as a singular body. I maintain the Oromo are a people united only by language, the Arussi Oromo is more Somalified today then some Somalis and the Wallo and Wallega Oromos are more Habeshified then some Habesha.

In the context of association I believe any usage of the term "Oromo" should be detailed then just merely "Oromo" which believe is a blank statement.
Voltage, Oromos do have Abtirsi, and it goes back more than 40 generation
But it was only used for Diya paying and self help purpose, and also to determine the eldest tribes and the eldest clans, as they were the one who should lead some ceremony;
Bareento here you are making my point. Abtirsi and Diya are aspects of Eastern Oromo culture. They are not part of say the Wallo culture. Keep in mind I have said before the Eastern Oromo are a merger of dispersed Somali stock during the campaign of Ahmed Gurey and people whose culture we severely impacted as a result of our shared unity in religion. I define this Eastern Oromo group as anyone of the Afran Qallo (primarily the ones of dispersed Somali stock), the Qalu and Arussi (the ones whose culture we impacted).

You as an Afran Qallo Oromo of Somali descent, tell me honestly if you feel more comfortable in the smallest village of Somalia amongst the Somalis whom you share culture and religion with and even physical look (I can always differentiate an Oromo and Somali by face except the Nolle and other Afran Qallo) or a Shawo and Wallega Oromo who is practically an Oromo-speaking Habeshi?
SA,
Are you claiming that the Geri Komboo Daroods really are Oromos? This is something i been known. You might as well add the Dir clans too. While i was digging on info on the net i came across what Transactions of the Bombay Geographical Society, Volume 8 By Bombay Geographical Society where it says in a statement regarding the DIR that "THE GALLA CLANS OF ESA SOMALI and GIDRBURSI" and then later says the the issa and gedrbursi have "several peculiarities that mark their Galla orgin." If this is true that would mean the most clearest of western Somlais the Dir are Oroomo. The text says Nothing about Akicho, nothing about Gurguraa, and nothing about Jaarso.
The same Gerri Koombe prominantly mentioned with their Marehan Darod kin as the main legions of Imam Ahmed's army in the 1500's? Oromo did not even live in the land nor was anywhere close to it when the Gerri had a prominent roles in Somali people.

As for the rest of what you said particularly concerned the observation of "similarity between those Somalis and the Eastern Oromo", I refer you to what I wrote above. There are many shared characteristics between Eastern Oromos and neighboring Somali clans but almost all of those characteristics are shared by other Somalis whereas few of those characteristics are shared with other Oromos such as the Wallo pinpointing to a Somali origin of them.
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Re: why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Bareento,

A lot of people here are down playing our African roots & the fact we originated in the Highlands not Arabia.
I know you don't. Some do and try to convince others of the Arab connection.
Lol @ the irony. :lol:
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