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Are you in favor of a Global Islamic State

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Re: Global Islamic State

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Whether or not we agree or disagree,according to our Ulema it will happen based on the Hadith
"Prophethood (meaning himself) will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain, then Allah will raise it up wherever he wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood remaining with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, He will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a reign of violently oppressive [The reign of Muslim kings who are partially unjust] rule and it will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, there will be a reign of tyrannical rule and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood."
In this Hadith, the Messenger of Allah divided the history of the Muslim nation into the following stages:

1. The reign of the Prophet Muhammad

2. A Caliphate that rules according to the guidance revealed to the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam This period is called the reign of the rightly guided Caliphs, starting with Abu Bakr, then Umar, then Uthman and ending with the murder of Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased withthem all. Some scholars included the short reign of Al-Hasan bin Ali, the grandson of the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam These are the thirty years which the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam stated comprised the reign of the rightly guided Caliphs [The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam said? "The Caliphate will remain in my nation after me for thirty years. Then, it will be a monarchy after that." Ahmad, Tirmidhi and others, Sahih Al-Jami` ' As-Saghir no. 3341].




3. The reign of unjust rule. This reign contains some injustice to a varying degree between one king and another. This period started after Al-Hasan bin Ali and includes the Umayyad, Abbasid, Mamluks and until the fall of the Ottoman State in the twentieth century.

This period includes all states that ruled in the Muslim World during those centuries. However, we exclude the reign of those rulers whose rule was similar to the rule of the rightly guided Caliphs, such as the reign of Abdullah bin Az-Zubayr and Umar bin Abdul-Aziz. These two are considered among the just Caliphs from among the tribe of Quraish who ruled or will rule the Muslim nation.

4. The reign of the tyrannical rule. This period started in the end of the Ottoman state and continues. We ask Allah that He saves us from the evils of this period and that we witness its end soon.This where all muslim states are at right now

This reign includes all the regimes that ruled the Muslim World, whether imperial, party oriented, governments controlled by the disbelievers, like those after World War I, populist or republic, which all sought to deprive Allah from His right as the Only Legislator in all matters of life and religion.

When the Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam mentioned the periods that this nation will experience, he categorized them according to the type of government, whether unjust, or that which follows the guidance of the Prophet, or autocratic and tyrannical, as we experience today.

5. The return of a Caliphate that rules following the guidance of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam
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Re: Global Islamic State

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Whether or not we agree or disagree,according to our Ulema it will happen based on the Hadith
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ciziga waxey muslimiinta ku gaaraan waa diintooda ooy ku camal falaan ,sida cilmiga inaan horumarino sidii kuwii naga horeeyay eey suubiyeen , akhlaaqdeena inaan wanaajino , inaan fahamno in diintan loo soo dajiyay naxariis dadka oo dhan , iyo xumaanta oo larebo , hadan ka tagno wan duloobeynaa .
muslimiintana hada diinta wey usoo laabanayaan , dhabta diintana culimada wey faafineysaa sida sheekh khaalid yaasiin ,zakir naik ,bilal philips insha allah mar aan dheereen wa lahelayaa islamic state with out killing innocent ,suiciding our selves and harming armless .
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Divide and Conquer has worked well for the West, it's time to undo the damage and reestablish the unity of the believers. :up:
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BOOK: Emerging World Order - The Islamic Khilafah State
by Abu Abdullah

Have any of you guys read this book?
After the destruction of Khilafah State,
the British foreign minister, when he
addressed the British Prime Minister
shortly before World War II, was quoted
as saying, ―We must put an end to
anything that brings about any Islamic
unity between the sons of Muslims. As
we have already succeeded in finishing
off the Khilafah. So we must ensure they
never arise again, unity for the Muslims
whether be it a cultural or intellectual
unity.‖ And the foreign minister in front
of the House of Commons after the
Lausanne Treaty (that ended Khilafah)
of July 24, 1924 said ―the situation now
is that Turkey is dead. And she will
never rise again because we have
destroyed her moral strength, the
Khilafah and Islam.
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Even the gaalo professor's are not afraid to speak the truth, and tell it like it is.
David Fromkin, Professor, and expert on Economic History at the University of Chicago ―Massive amounts of the wealth of the old Uthmani Khilafah were now claimed by the victors. But one must remember that the Islamic Khilafah had tried for centuries to conquer Christian Europe and the power brokers deciding the fate of those defeated people were naturally determined that these countries should never be able to organize and threaten Western interests again. With centuries of mercantilist experience, Britain and France created small, unstable states whose rulers needed their support to stay in power. The development and trade of these states were controlled and they were meant never again to be a threat to the West. These external powers then made contracts with their puppets to buy Arab resources cheaply, making the feudal elite enormously wealthy while leaving most citizens in poverty.
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Emerging World Order - The Islamic Khilafah State
by Abu Abdullah
Western Leaders Openly Talk about Khilafah and its Consequences
America is aware of these facts and figures in Islamic ummah. She is aware of the consequences. In December 2004, The National Intelligence Council of the CIA predicted that in the year 2020 ‗a new Caliphate’ would emerge on the world stage. The findings were published in a 123-page report titled "Mapping the Global Future". The aim of the report was to prepare the next Bush administration for challenges that lie ahead by projecting current trends that may pose a threat to US interest. The report was presented to the US president, members of Congress, cabinet members and key officials involved in policymaking. Moreover, recently, Pat Buchanan, co-founder of The American Conservative magazine and advisor to three former American presidents, Nixon, Ford and Reagan said, "If Islamic rule is an idea taking hold among the Islamic masses, how does even the best army on earth stop it?"
 Having failed to win the ‗war on Islam‘ and ‗battle of hearts and minds‘ now they are trying every bit to delay the ummah‘s emotion merging together eventually leading towards Islamic Khilafah
State. At the same time the western governments are preparing themselves to the eventual return of Khilafah. In fact both the 2002 and 2006 versions of the Pentagon‘s Quadrennial Review demonized Muslims, Islamic countries and Islam, in various guises, as grave threats to US security. The highest US officials were
Recently, Pat Buchanan, co-founder of The American Conservative magazine and advisor to three former American presidents, Nixon, Ford and Reagan said, "If Islamic rule is an idea taking hold among the Islamic masses, how does even the best army on earth stop it?" The former secretary general of NATO Willie Claes during the end of 20th century has openly stated that, ‗The Alliance has placed Islam as a target for its hostility in place of the Soviet Union.‘
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convinced that America‘s greatest ideological challenge is what they call ‗a highly politicized form of Islam‘ and that Washington and its allies cannot afford to stand by and watch Muslims realize their political destiny, the Khilafah.
 Senior policy makers have ‗warned‘ of the consequences of the Khilafah‘s re-establishment. Former President George W Bush, in a speech to the American nation in October 2005 stated that ―the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region, and establish a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia.‖ Donald Rumsfeld, during the invasion of Iraq confirmed, ―Iraq would serve as the base of a new Islamic Caliphate to extend throughout the Middle East and which would threaten the legitimate governments in Europe, Africa, and Asia. This is their plan. They have said so. We make a terrible mistake if we fail to listen and learn.‖ It is for these reasons America has imposed a Viceroy for the Middle East because the Muslim rulers cannot be propped up by an outside force for much longer.
 Moreover, in the words of former US Vice President Cheney "They talk about wanting to re-establish what you could refer to as the Seventh Century Caliphate. This was the world as it was organized 1,200, 1,300 years, in effect, when Islam or Islamic people controlled everything from Portugal and Spain in the West; all through the Mediterranean to North Africa; all of North Africa; the Middle East; up into the Balkans; the Central Asian republics; the southern tip of Russia; a good swath of India; and on around to modern day Indonesia. In one sense from Bali and Jakarta on one end, to Madrid on the other."
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Even In Puntland at this Stack holders Meeting It is concluded Democracy And Islam Do Not And Can Not Go Together. :clap:



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qof islamnimo sheeganaayo oo hadana kuleh i dont want an islamic qalifa wax aan fahmi karo ma aha wallahi. War dadkan miyey Alle kabaqaneyn? Ma waxey ismoodeen aduunyadu in ey ku waari doonan weligood? Allah says there those who say from their mouth they believe but they dont. I have seen muslims who drink, who commit zina, who gamble, backbite others etc etc n yet wouldnt blink over this kind of question in saying yes. Coz they been told one may come with an ocean of sin to Allah and he will forgive you as long as one deosnt come too late or with shirk. Whats worse shirk than saying i dont want a united islamic umma led by a khalif and governed with islamic shariya? Anigu waxan wallahi layabaa dadkan soomalinet geesinimada xagey kala yimadeen? Some things look small when uttered but they big in eyes of diin so be carefull what you say people. Thats if its due to ignorance, othetwise gud luck with your endeavours. Magaranayo lakin qolo somalinet ka tirsan waxa umaleeya janadaa gor hore loo balan qaadey oo waxa aad doontiin ku hadlaa layiri firdowso aya idiin dambeyse. Gud luck.
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muslim-man wrote:qof islamnimo sheeganaayo oo hadana kuleh i dont want an islamic qalifa wax aan fahmi karo ma aha wallahi. War dadkan miyey Alle kabaqaneyn? Ma waxey ismoodeen aduunyadu in ey ku waari doonan weligood? .
Waxaad ii sheegtaa waxa ay ku fiican tahay so called CALIPHATE?
Dhamaan xukuumadihii CALIPHATE waxay ahaayeen xukuumado DHAXALTOOYO AH. ka soo bilaaw

UMAYADIIN CALIPHATE.
MUCAAWIYA waxaa ka dhaxley wiilkiisii YAZIID IBN MUCAAWIYA. yaziid waxaa ka sii dhaxley wiilkiisii, xukun dhalxatooyo qabiiil ah ayey aheeyd KHALIIFYADII.

UMAYADIDIINTII waxaa ku xigay CABAASIYIIINTII
CABAASIYIINTII IYAGANA DHAXALTOOYO ayey aheeyd when the cliph dies hes fat son will inheter the head of goverment or caliph.

CAABIYIINTII waxaa ku xigay OTHOMAN caliphates.

iyagana dhaxaltooyo ayey ahaayeen. :down:

bal waxaad ii sheegtaa waxa Holy ka dhigay ONE QABIIIL inuu maamulo wadan?

xukuumadihii CALIPHATE waqtigoodii BLACK PEOPLE were sold in the market places like baqdad, istanbul and ARABIA.

MARKA SO CALLED CALIPHATES WAS CORRUPTED GOVERMENT SYSTEM. AND WE THANK ALLAH THERE IS NO LONGER SO CALLED CALIPHATE GOVERMENT. :down: :down:
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Dr. yalaxow who cares what it is called as long as 'kitaab alla' lagugu xukumo in your country. I dont support caliphate or any other system for any other reason than that within it will all human beings be satisfied, everyone will get his share and rights, that is so because in front of allah we are all 'adoomo' no matter what our status is, qabiil, or how much we can influence a focked up jury, or how much we uphold arbitrary laws and rules designed by men. the problem has always been not with the source of these guidelines (kitaab wa sunna), but its implementation and finding the right people to enforce such a beautiful and just laws. the focked version floating in somalia isn't helping anyone as well.
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abubakar
Umar,uthman, ali, etc

were not a family dynasty. they were chosen by a shura made of culumas of the time, these were the proper khalifs of time' they ruled their subjects honestly. They were accountable to the peopl they ruled. During umar ra rule, one ruler who was among the rulin great in a not far empire sent an mesenger to go and see/spy what the islamic emperor and his kindom and his palaces, the house servants and the butlers were like. When he came to the capital of the islamic empire, he mistakenly sarted searching for the palace and where his reacjh compound was located. He thought he would fine some pompous ministers, palaces, a castle build for Cumar, the leader of the expanding muslim empire. when his search of parliaments, king castlle/paalace. He ask the city where he could find yielded 0. He asked to find hin and was told to go check him n the mosque, evenat the mosque he wasnt there. Later guese where he found him? Sleeping peacefully in one of the shades of the nearby threes planted outsise the mosque. behold, he found sleepin under one of the tree's outside without a single bodyguard. H woke him sked when the khlif was fully awake ''are umar'' 'u re indeed a just leader who ruled his people in justice hence the sleep here without fear for protecton. Your have faith in your subject n they have it for u too ence the trust. look this kind of khalifa is what w mean when we say islamic under one khalif. U are against it? Compare to shrif who had a mosque inside vila somalia out of fear of venturing outside wthout a fuufuu escort..
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James Dahl wrote:If you look at the measures that were necessary to keep the Caliphate and Ottoman Empire together, horrific repression, totalitarian government, and massive corruption. Development and economic growth stagnated under the iron fist of the Khalifa and later the Sultan, so there is also the issue of whether a unified state is even desirable.

again this thinking is based on assumptions.
You are assuming that since all middle eastern countries are corrupt totalitarian states the Ottoman Empire was one too since it was not a democracy.

This is false.
The Ottoman empire was far far more liberal than the Austro-Hungarian or Russian Empire.
The image you have of a totalitarian empire is actually Russia.
In fact both the Austro-Hungarians especially the Hungarian aristocrats where deathly afraid of the reforms in the Ottoman Empire because it would give their own downtrodden people "ideas".
Russia was against it for the same reason and because the Tanzimat reforms where working, the Military was more advanced than Russia's and more efficient by 1876 and the Ottomans where ahead in Industrialization.

That last statement "the Ottomans where ahead in Industrialization." sounds crazy doesnt it?
Another symptom of the lack of coverage and western bias when it comes to the region.
Russias Industrilization started after 1864 when the serfs where freed and french investment started to flow by the late 1870's.
In contrast the core of the Ottoman Empire which was in Europe was already in the proto-industrial stage, this was what was to become
Bulgaria, Romania , Macedonia and Bosnia.
These regions where close to the core of the Austro - hungarian empire and only Bohemia and Moravia (czechoslovakia) was more economically advanced than the core Ottoman Regions.

When it comes to politics the 1876 constitution was more liberal than even Germany, and the sultan had less power than the German Emperor, The Austro Hungarian emperor or the Russian.

Even at its worst when Sultan Abdelhamid dissolved parlaiment and took dictatorial powers and had a huge intelligence apparatus
i believe more than 7 different intelligence and counter intelligence agencies .
The Ottomans did not go anywhere near the Russians in repression.

And you mentioned development and economic growth stagnated under the iron fist of the khalifa.
This is another wildly inaccurate statement.
The Ottomans had a restrictive treaty the capitulations imposed on it from the time of the crimean war.
They could not increase tarriffs to protect local industry like everyone else , so faced with massive competition what little industry they had which were textiles and food processing became very competitive and where quickly gaining market share from the 1890s till the eve of the first world war.
The were also saddled with massive debt .Sultan abulhamid spent the first 20 years of his reign bringing down the debt to a very low rate. from the 70% of the annual budget in repayments to something like 12%.

Till 1878 when the core of its empire was taken the empire was expanding economically and modernizing at a faster rate than Russia.
With the disasters that happned in 1878 the loss of the core of the Empire, the massacres , ethnic cleaning of muslims from them (muslims made upto 40% of the population).
Millions of starving refugees, a famine , its army destroyed and bankruptcy.

It is remarkable that it bounced back within 20 years, instead of collapsing.
can you give me an example of another state with that capability?

In world war 1 by the end of the war, the Ottomans lost Palestine and southern Iraq and Arabia, but they were still a fighting force in 1919
and they even invaded Russia.
While at the same time the Austrians and the Russians and even the germans suffered total collapse.
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gurey25 nice job in educating James Dahl hope he takes notes. :mrgreen:
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I'd trade it for a united, peaceful and strong Somalia
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Today's Muslim countries needs more democracy for development of their countries.
CALIPHATE was a heredity system which was family owned or ruled government System.
The arabic word" khaliif" was already in use pre islamic Arabia, therefore nothing holy about the word it self.
Actually i see caliphate as a BIG shirk because caliphate are above the law as we lear throw the history.
caliph often compares himself as mini God like forxample umayadiin and abaziyiin and omayadiin, OR any other power hungry caliphates who want to keep the goverment in their famly. will do every think even war for keeping the power.

All absolute rulers sees themself above everybody, and as we all know the family khaliif( madaaxweyne) king( big kuhana) start abusing the wealth of nation, unlike democracy the president is like any other person, you can call him the elected president an idiot if you want, whit out been killed, but the cliphate if you call him idiot you and your children will be killed, so i see khaliif as BIG SHIRK(mini gods)

IN 21 century the ruler of the country should be elected by the people, therefore democracy which means and human-rightes, and NO slavery, freedom of speech and so on, is the best way that humans could prosper.
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