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EEGA9 wrote:

Based wrote:I thought the reason Western Somalia/Soomaali Galbeed was avoided by the ONLF was because it implied one country (Somalia) attempting to claim and/or annex a region of another sovereign state. As it currently stands, the ONLF is an indigenous organization dedicated to liberating the region from the Ethiopian central government's illegitimate rule, and not Somalia attempting to infringe upon the territory of another state.

According to the ONLF, "The Ogaden cause is not at the heart of a dispute between the Republic of Somalia and Ethiopia. It is one of the visages of European colonialism in Africa. It is the cause of a nation betrayed by Britain and other colonial powers and annexed by Ethiopia in a manner contrary to the agreements concluded between the Ogaden people and Britain and in conflict with International Law and the charter of the United Nations."

Somali irredentism is, for the moment, dead. This is a far better strategy, a stance with which I wholeheartedly agree with

On point...

The reason Somalia received little support from the International Community in the 77 war was simply because from there view Somalia was infringing on the sovereignty of a U.N member state, annexation is not and will not be the solution to the occupation of the Somali people in the Ogaden.The Somali people of the Ogaden must themselves overthrow the regime and under the principle of self determination decide upon there future.The politics of Somali Galbeed although noble excused Ethiopia from been annihilated with Somalia's very public aim of establishing Greater Somalia proving to be unfavorable to the "powers", the safe option would have been to support the WSLF who by that time had crippled Ethiopia through out the region without intervening officially.

ina aadan wrote:Walaal haduu magaca somaligalbeed wax tarayo kuwan baa wax ku qaadi lahaa, lakin markay waxba tariwaayen bay isu dhiben cadawgay la tagaalamayen.


Addis Ababa, Ethiopia – The Ethiopian government and the separatist rebels, the Western Somali Liberation Front (WSLF), have reached a peace agreement, government spokesman disclosed here Friday.

‘Preliminary discussion with WSLF has borne fruits this week. The leaders of this group have agreed to abide by Ethiopia’s constitution and they are expected to announce from here (his office) how they are planning to operate in Ethiopia,’ Bereket Simon, Minister of Government Communication Affairs, told a news conference.

According to Bereket, the entire WSLF ” the earliest rebel group in the vast, ethnic-Somali region of eastern Ethiopia that fought nearly for four decades for independence, and weakened lately ” will be one of the legal opposition politic al parties allowed to advance its agenda freely, peacefully and publicly

BlackVelvet wrote:

SheikhExecutive wrote:Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

Hang on, why are you going out of your way to turn this thread into a Hawiye vs. Ogadeen thing?

BlackVelvet wrote: You are trying to turn people against one another, that is very obvious. What I don't understand is why.

Read the opening post, ethnicity is not a good enough argument, especially not in Africa where 10s of different tribes live together in practically every country.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than trying to get people worked up then I suggest you go find something else to do with your time.

BlackVelvet wrote:Calling it Ogadenia or the Ogaden region ties it to Ethiopia and isolates the region by making the struggle into one centered on ethnicity.

ina aadan wrote:Walaal haduu magaca somaligalbeed wax tarayo kuwan baa wax ku qaadi lahaa, lakin markay waxba tariwaayen bay isu dhiben cadawgay la tagaalamayen.


Addis Ababa, Ethiopia – The Ethiopian government and the separatist rebels, the Western Somali Liberation Front (WSLF), have reached a peace agreement, government spokesman disclosed here Friday.

‘Preliminary discussion with WSLF has borne fruits this week. The leaders of this group have agreed to abide by Ethiopia’s constitution and they are expected to announce from here (his office) how they are planning to operate in Ethiopia,’ Bereket Simon, Minister of Government Communication Affairs, told a news conference.

According to Bereket, the entire WSLF ” the earliest rebel group in the vast, ethnic-Somali region of eastern Ethiopia that fought nearly for four decades for independence, and weakened lately ” will be one of the legal opposition politic al parties allowed to advance its agenda freely, peacefully and publicly

SheikhExecutive wrote:

BlackVelvet wrote: You are trying to turn people against one another, that is very obvious. What I don't understand is why.

Read the opening post, ethnicity is not a good enough argument, especially not in Africa where 10s of different tribes live together in practically every country.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than trying to get people worked up then I suggest you go find something else to do with your time.

You brought it up yourself, and as I said I am directly addressing your point. I am not sure why you getting so upset? Is it cause I said Hawiye? reference to hawiye was made prior to my post and you didnt seem to react to that. Why make points yourself when you don't want them to be addressed??

BlackVelvet wrote:Calling it Ogadenia or the Ogaden region ties it to Ethiopia and isolates the region by making the struggle into one centered on ethnicity.

SheikhExecutive wrote:Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

ina aadan wrote:Maxaynu ku sugnaa marka ilaa inta ay somaliya ka hagaagayso, maan iska fadhisanaa mise dagaalkanu wadnaa oo waxaanu ku wadnaa sida anaga nala quman.

DANGIRL wrote:
Greenday,

You seem like an airhead that goes where the wind blows.I don't see the need for you inject your two cent where it's not needed. Such matters like this are beyond your ken and what is beyond your ken should be left alone. Now, take a several seat over there.

BlackVelvet wrote:

SheikhExecutive wrote:

BlackVelvet wrote: You are trying to turn people against one another, that is very obvious. What I don't understand is why.

Read the opening post, ethnicity is not a good enough argument, especially not in Africa where 10s of different tribes live together in practically every country.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than trying to get people worked up then I suggest you go find something else to do with your time.

You brought it up yourself, and as I said I am directly addressing your point. I am not sure why you getting so upset? Is it cause I said Hawiye? reference to hawiye was made prior to my post and you didnt seem to react to that. Why make points yourself when you don't want them to be addressed??

BlackVelvet wrote:Calling it Ogadenia or the Ogaden region ties it to Ethiopia and isolates the region by making the struggle into one centered on ethnicity.

SheikhExecutive wrote:Its only the ONLF fighting for that region anyway, all other somali groups gave up on it. No one is stoping you from creating Hawiye National Liberation Front, and renaming the region to Hawiye. I am not saying the Ogadens named the region themselves, but at least that would that give you a cause to fight for?

You are being a hypocrite. You are using this opportunity to cause division by making it a them and us situation. However since you don't see it that way and argue that you are completely innocent of ill will then I will let you be on your way seeing as you've made your point.

BlackVelvet wrote:

EEGA9 wrote:

Based wrote:I thought the reason Western Somalia/Soomaali Galbeed was avoided by the ONLF was because it implied one country (Somalia) attempting to claim and/or annex a region of another sovereign state. As it currently stands, the ONLF is an indigenous organization dedicated to liberating the region from the Ethiopian central government's illegitimate rule, and not Somalia attempting to infringe upon the territory of another state.

According to the ONLF, "The Ogaden cause is not at the heart of a dispute between the Republic of Somalia and Ethiopia. It is one of the visages of European colonialism in Africa. It is the cause of a nation betrayed by Britain and other colonial powers and annexed by Ethiopia in a manner contrary to the agreements concluded between the Ogaden people and Britain and in conflict with International Law and the charter of the United Nations."

Somali irredentism is, for the moment, dead. This is a far better strategy, a stance with which I wholeheartedly agree with

On point...

The reason Somalia received little support from the International Community in the 77 war was simply because from there view Somalia was infringing on the sovereignty of a U.N member state, annexation is not and will not be the solution to the occupation of the Somali people in the Ogaden.The Somali people of the Ogaden must themselves overthrow the regime and under the principle of self determination decide upon there future.The politics of Somali Galbeed although noble excused Ethiopia from been annihilated with Somalia's very public aim of establishing Greater Somalia proving to be unfavorable to the "powers", the safe option would have been to support the WSLF who by that time had crippled Ethiopia through out the region without intervening officially.

But then doesn't it become a case of Somalia getting back what was originally hers and was illegally annexed?

ps Is the aim to end up with an independent Ogaden?