5 reasons why I support for secession from the Union

[Siciid85]

I always thought Igal (AUN) was the 1st Somaliland president...

Nah he was the second president selected in the Borama 1993 conference. While Cabdirahman Tuur AUN was the first president when Somaliland independence was declared in
Burco in 1991, he was also the last chairman of the SNM.

[AbdiWahab252]

5 reasons why Issaq leadership failed their Issaq:

1. Lack of Unity - The issaq came running to Xamar in 1960 and were begging for the union. Even when a very senior SYL person warned them to think twice about coming into a Union because indepedence is a hard thing to win and it would be better for them to try being a state for a few years. Nope, the Issaq leadership at the time were at each other's throats and could not get along. They agreed to forming a union to allow someone else to lead rather than foment the first SOmali civil war.

2. Greed - The Issaq held key government positions and profited well. However their leadership were opportunitists who were more concerned about their individual welfare than that of their tol or region. They built and invested in Xamar leaving Hargeisa to languish. With their arrival in 1960, they occupied senior government positions and were very corrupt and lived off the barwaqo of Wanlaweyn. The Issaq had more perks for their region than other parts of Somalia: Berbera and Hargeisa had lower taxes, business incentives, generous aid programs while vast regions like Mudug, Galgaduud, Gedo etc languished.

3. Indecisive Leadership - The Issaq PM, Ina Egal, FAILED to stop the 1969 coup by spending his energies to find a Majeerten candidate to replace the the Marxum Abdirashid ALi Sharmarke who was assasinated. When warned of the coup, Egal dismissed it and was contemplating making Muse Boqor the new President. He could have simply ordered loyalist officers like Aidid, Abdullahi Yusuf etc to squash the coup or to form a counter coup using loyalist units in Central, Northern and Southwestern Somalia. INstead Egal failed to take action and thus we got MSB.

4. Strategic "Secession" Blunder - Without thinking it through, the Issaq pushed secessionism which put them on an isolationist course. Even when Aidid finished off MSB, and neutred Ali Mahdi, the Issaq did not assist their ally and continued on their path. The Issaq had the golden opportunity to take a more assertive role and even temporarily taken custody of the Government as the other partner in the Union. If they had gone down this path instead, Issaq would have been the most powerful force and Hargeisa would have out eclipsed Xamar. Yet, for some odd knee jerk reaction, they gave up their rights as the other half of the Union and chose to isolate themselves which worked until the Issaq civil war forcing the founder of Somaliland to renounce secessionism and to join Aidid's government. Tur died in exile never seeing his homeland again.

5. Lying to their people - The Issaq leadership have lied to their people and reinvented history:
i) The first lie spun was that the war against Siyaad Barre was one between Northerners and Southerners when in reality it was MSB loyalists vs. rebels (Northern, Southern, Central etc).The second lie was that SNM fought for indepedence from the Somali Republic when its constitution stated that it wanted a regime change but spoke nothing of indepedence.
II) The second lie is that all the clans of Somaliland support independence while a majority of nonIssaq support Unionism but due to either political intimidation or military intimidation they remain silent fearing reprisals. The SL authority has cracked down on anyone suspected of being proUNion by jailing them for even waving the blue flag.


So in summary, most nonIssaq SOmali clans are not against the idea of a Issaq nation with in its tribal lands but to fib about the past and to hold Unionists hostage will not lead the Issaq to their promise land. I think with 5 years of independence, the Issaq will come clamouring back to be part of the Somali Republic because after the propaganda of "Us vs. Them" wears off, they will fight amongst themselves.

1, 2 ,3 and 4 are true and more or less accurate.
but 5 is false completly false, you made this assumption because of your ignorance of isaaq.
The SNM leadership never did those things it was the people who became fed up of the south and wanted no business with them, ali mahdi was the spark that set it off. It proved that the USC/SPM were unreliable.
The
SNM leadership were in the majority unionists , none of them wanted secession or dreamed of it, they were forced into it by the people,
the same way egaal was forced into hasty union by mass public demonstrations.
Isaaq are anarchists to the core and have little respect for leadership they dont approve of and the SNM was the most democratic liberation movement in history. This was because they were answerable to the people and depended on donations from its people instead of foriegn aid.

Gurey,

I am all for independence of any group that wants to leave but a divorce that is done in an orderly manner. If people feel happy in their own turf and want to elect leadership hailing from there, good for them and let them. The business of governance is hard, messy and not as rosey as people think it is.

[waryaa]

said - tnx

Waryaa & Co, we are discussing Somaliland here, not Isaaqs.

ali, r u pro sland Independence? what would u do if Boramanians say we need out own country too or Las Ano says we are here for the union? crush them? cut somaliand into further mini states?

[CaliBurco]

No one can be ruled for long against their will, people will rise up and revolt. We are a living example of this. If they didn't want to be part of it they would have picked up their guns and turned the place upside down.

But you're not hearing a sound from them. That argument doesn't hold water.

[gurey25]

abdi you should understand that we will never be ruled from moqadishu again.
never..
it would be over our dead bodies.

once you understand this, and have no illusions about reality we can move on

[SultanOrder]

Somaliland biggest unionists will be the youth right now that make up something like 70% of the population with 70% unemployment. Those who are being educated and being transformed by new technologies that will give them better access to the rest of the world will desire a lot of change, a lot of freedoms, and a lot of new discourse. Soon, it will be common discussion for the youth to talk about plotting a new course for Somalia, the pro's and con's of union, the follies of their republic, and there will be divergence. To promote this, I wholeheartedly advocate for the integration of Somaliland students and Somalia students into each respective countries schools.

Let us not fool ourselves to believe that Khalid Ali, Rightwing, etc who all live in western countries and have western passports have the influence to change Somaliland this way or that way. It is whichever camp the youthfall into that will make or break Unity.

this is why i believe it is useless to discuss this issue with some people.
the emotions here are too much it affects critical thinking, and the heights of delusions are amazing.

yes there is 70% unemployment, we are apoor african country, why is this relevant?

are you saying that we are seceding from a rich developed country that would benefit us?

from 1960 till 1990 somalia was a drain a handicap for our development, we lost so much in the union, it was not only the lives of our people .
Somalia does not benefit us in any way and cannot harm us in any way.

My premise is this.
1. GeoPolitical conditions continue to not look favorable to independence.
2. Focus on the south by the IC
3. Political pressure to have talks from IC
4. A reemergence of Somalia from post-civil war era

The youth are the biggest losers in any bad outcome and stagnation.

[SultanOrder]

No one can be ruled for long against their will, people will rise up and revolt. We are a living example of this. If they didn't want to be part of it they would have picked up their guns and turned the place upside down.

But you're not hearing a sound from them. That argument doesn't hold water.

So why does Somaliland continue to hold hostage Dhulbahante despite them picking up guns?

[Coldoon]

No one can be ruled for long against their will, people will rise up and revolt. We are a living example of this. If they didn't want to be part of it they would have picked up their guns and turned the place upside down.

But you're not hearing a sound from them. That argument doesn't hold water.

So why does Somaliland continue to hold hostage Dhulbahante despite them picking up guns?

I bet you 20 dollars, he's going to reply with something along this line, "Look at Xaglatoosiye, he was against us and now he's with us".

[The_Emperior5]

No one can be ruled for long against their will, people will rise up and revolt. We are a living example of this. If they didn't want to be part of it they would have picked up their guns and turned the place upside down.

But you're not hearing a sound from them. That argument doesn't hold water.

So why does Somaliland continue to hold hostage Dhulbahante despite them picking up guns?

[SultanOrder]

So, Emperior, by your reasoning, if we bring in more and more Somalilanders in the Dawlad of Somalia, we will have a right to Somaliland.

[Coldoon]

So, Emperior, by your reasoning, if we bring in more and more Somalilanders in the Dawlad of Somalia, we will have a right to Somaliland.

I bet you Emperior is gonna show a picture of Lasanod with few people of the same family holding Somaliland flag and he will state that the people of Lasanod are supporting Somaliland, to debunk your question.

[The_Emperior5]

So, Emperior, by your reasoning, if we bring in more and more Somalilanders in the Dawlad of Somalia, we will have a right to Somaliland.

if you can bring Somaliland officials into ur new government than u might have a case people who worked and fought for Somaliland if you can bring them over than u have something.



SSC was a rebel movement fighting against Somaliland in many parts we event went as far as sending the feds to xaglo and he was interigated for hours at times it gone real ugly. But eventually we made peace,because we are the same people we share the same destiny.

[SultanOrder]

So, Emperior, by your reasoning, if we bring in more and more Somalilanders in the Dawlad of Somalia, we will have a right to Somaliland.

if you can bring Somaliland officials into ur new government than u might have a case people who worked and fought for Somaliland if you can bring them over than u have something.



SSC was a rebel movement fighting against Somaliland in many parts we event went as far as sending the feds to xaglo and he was interigated for hours at times it gone real ugly. But eventually we made peace,because we are the same people we share the same destiny.

You make it too easy, we can just bypass the "people" and just get a few "officials". We just got 200million from EU, so I guess it's time to go shopping for some officials.

[The_Emperior5]

what people you need politicians if you can bring the top Somaliland government officials on ur side than u have something let me see if you can with ur aid money

[AbdiWahab252]

abdi you should understand that we will never be ruled from moqadishu again.
never..
it would be over our dead bodies.

once you understand this, and have no illusions about reality we can move on

Okay abti. So the others who want to be Union will be supported in their quest.