Palestine's hope is non-violent Resistance.

[Shirib]

you should believe it, might not be today, might not be tomorrow, but the truth will prevail, and good shall always overcome evil.

Rome was taken down by some backward Barbarians, Byzantium and Persia destroyed by Arab camel herders. Soviet Union collapsed on its own weight. David took down Goliath. Superpowers have always been destroyed by much lesser opponents. Only God is Supreme, and all other things come to an end, and the end of the day

Miracles do happen, Truth will prevail, and good shall always overcome evil.

[James Dahl]

All those empires fell, but people like the Palestinians do not just recover and bounce back.

- The Armenians massacred by Turkish fascists in the 1920s never recovered, they were expunged from Turkey and remain only a remnant of a remnant in Istanbul

- The Romans destroyed many nations, never to rise again. They obliterated the Gauls, who once ruled all of western Europe and now all that is left of them are the Welsh, Bretons, Irish, Galicians and Scots.

- The Russian Empire destroyed the Circassians, who today live as a lost people and have been assimilated into Turks, Syrians and other people

- The Soviets destroyed the Crimeans and gave their land to Ukraine, and they are today a shattered people without a homeland, most today live in Turkey

The Palestinians are on the knife edge, Israel in a few generations will have succeeded in making them a lost people.

[Leftist]

I also disagree that they don't need western backing to survive. They're running on few natural resources. They're already being saved by US gas companies. Then there's the water issue.

I brought that up to end the idea that divestment/boycott efforts would somehow force Israel into a corner. Fact is, while Western support is critical, it's not necessary. They're not South Africa. They can afford to play hardball and be isolated. Which they won't be. Pro-Israeli policies are entrenched in almost all Western capitals. But even if they lost all Western support, they'll survive. Desalination technology will help with the water problem, and they'll find other markets to trade with.

We don't want to acknowledge it because the "Israel is only winning/thriving due to the West" narrative is easier to stomach. Nobody wants to admit failure or the success of a enemy.

you should believe it, might not be today, might not be tomorrow, but the truth will prevail, and good shall always overcome evil.

Rome was taken down by some backward Barbarians, Byzantium and Persia destroyed by Arab camel herders. Soviet Union collapsed on its own weight. David took down Goliath. Superpowers have always been destroyed by much lesser opponents. Only God is Supreme, and all other things come to an end, and the end of the day

Miracles do happen, Truth will prevail, and good shall always overcome evil.

In that context,

[Shirib]

Israel isn't winning because of the west. They're winning because of their own power combined with the incompetence of Arabs and the ummah as a whole.

But the day will come, and surely it will come when all their efforts fall in vain.

[Alphanumeric]

I also disagree that they don't need western backing to survive. They're running on few natural resources. They're already being saved by US gas companies. Then there's the water issue.

I brought that up to end the idea that divestment/boycott efforts would somehow force Israel into a corner. Fact is, while Western support is critical, it's not necessary. They're not South Africa. They can afford to play hardball and be isolated. Which they won't be. Pro-Israeli policies are entrenched in almost all Western capitals. But even if they lost all Western support, they'll survive. Desalination technology will help with the water problem, and they'll find other markets to trade with.

We don't want to acknowledge it because the "Israel is only winning/thriving due to the West" narrative is easier to stomach. Nobody wants to admit failure or the success of a enemy.

Yes, boycotts and the like aren't in anyway effective, and besides, I enjoy their products lol. But you're overestimating their capabilities, as is often a problem in this discussion. They've imported practically all of their energy up until 2009. And unless natural gas fields really do own up to expectations, they'll continue to import energy in large quantities. Hell, they even import grains. Aside from scientific knowledge, I don't even know what they produce. Maybe they manufacture techs. Fact is, if you cut the funds, they are done for. They are held above the water by US foreign aid. ...Yup, Wiki and CIA say similar.

And speaking of water, desalination has a slew of problems. But it'll work at least in short-term agricultural uses. There are likely long-term environmental downsides.

[Jaidi]

Haven't read through the thread but doesn't threadstarter realize that is what Fatah has essentially done in the West Bank. What has it got them? Expanding settlements and indefinite occupation.

[union]

Jews shoulda met Hitler with non violence resistance

No Jew ever blew himself up in a German cafe.

[James Dahl]

Jews shoulda met Hitler with non violence resistance

No Jew ever blew himself up in a German cafe.

Actually they did
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

[union]

Jews shoulda met Hitler with non violence resistance

No Jew ever blew himself up in a German cafe.

Actually they did
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

Noboody is denying that the zionists have been commiting violence in the Middle East. I was talking about Europe.

You're wikipedia article is about violence in the Middle East, which is not something relevant to what I was talking about.

and the Jewish society in the British Mandate Palestine generally disapproved and denounced violent attacks both on grounds moral rejection and political disagreement, stressing that terrorism is counter-productive in the Zionist quest for Jewish self-determination.

In 1946 The World Zionist Congress strongly condemned terrorist activities in Palestine and "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare". Irgun was specifically condemned

Obviously some rogue agents within the Zionist groups committed atrocities, but altogether the Jews were able to wage a superior war (both physically and through PR) against the Arabs. The Jews did not have to use non-violenct resistance against the Arabs because they are stronger than them, but when they were in a weak position especially after the holocaust in Europe they were able to, without killing a single person through a terrorist attack, extract billions from Germany in reparations and see to it that a state of their own was established and recognized as legitimate and necessary by many nations of the world.

[Thuganomics]

Rogue elements lol stop lying Jew lover

LIKUD PRIME MINISTER, M. BEGIN.

Qualifications: Killer. Terrorist. War Criminal. Leader of the terrorist gang Irgun. Responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre, the bombing of the King David Hotel, etc, etc,...


LIKUD PRIME MINISTER, Y. SHAMIR.

Qualifications: Killer. Terrorist. War Criminal. Operations commander of the terrorist Stern Gang. Together with Stern proposed a war-time alliance with Adolf Hitler and the establishment of a totalitarian Jewish state. Responsible (with Began) for the Deir Yassin massacre. The organiser of two infamous assassinations: the killing of Lord Moyne, the British Minister Resident for the Middle East, on 6 November 1944; and the slaying of Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN's special Mediator on Palestine, on 17 September 1948.


LABOUR PRIME MINISTER, E. BARAK.

Qualifications: Assassin. In Beirut 1973, Barak (while dressed as a woman) assassinated the Palestinian leader Kamal Edwan, together with his wife and seven year old daughter.


Plot to kill 6 million Germans foiled by the British

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakam

[SahanGalbeed]

I don't think the folks in gaza can take on the Isreali military , I don't really understand what they're trying to acheive here .
When somebody says " we'll fight till we all die " who really decides for everybody ?

[Cumar-Labasuul]

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees

[SahanGalbeed]

, ya okay !
Haddaad rabtaan inaan sida ciyaalka wuxuun iska ga hadalno , count me out .

[Cumar-Labasuul]

from your comfortable seat in phoenix you can come up ridiculous ideas the palestinians ''should do'' but unless you witness first hand I'd advice you to keep quiet walaal.

[SahanGalbeed]

, oh so you mean to tell me you're firsthand exposed to the Israeli bombings .
I haven't so far proposed anything , I have merely stated that what they've been doing since the day I was born isn't working .