I found a Somali rough sleeper last night and my colleague made an interesting point about mosques

[lifeisbloodyhard]

But the same people who are saying "Why don't masjid's take them in" are the same people who wouldn't bring them into their own homes.

Stop the front man. Uff

No one is saying don't help them, just the fact that they shouldn't sleep there and make it a personal home.

Ermm I would have to do checks on them. I can't do that but mosques can with the help of homelessness charities cos they have access to something called CHAIN which is a homelessness database. This database includes info like substance problems, offending history, risk to staff blaah blaah. These organisations always do risk assessments with each client. Anyway, volunteer one night. You haven't even sat down and had a proper convo with these people right so how can you know anything about them? I met this woman who was gang raped by Boko Haram. Walahi I have seen all sorts. Like I said, volunteer one night and come back and tell me the same thing.

It wouldn't be their home. It would be a winter night shelter when the mosque isn't even open!!! :sigh:

Adiga horta, are you immune from mental illness? What if that mental illness leads to you turning to alcohol or drugs? What if that then leads you to rough sleeping?

Bal dadkan eega subhanAllah.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Hyper, still la yarxum doesn't mean diin
Ma Lahan lol ps, not wanting them into masjid doesn't mean you have no naxariis. Anyhow May allah give shelter who ever doesn't have one.

[Inaayah]

But the same people who are saying "Why don't masjid's take them in" are the same people who wouldn't bring them into their own homes.

Stop the front man. Uff

No one is saying don't help them, just the fact that they shouldn't sleep there and make it a personal home.

Ermm I would have to do checks on them. I can't do that but mosques can with the help of homelessness charities cos they have access to something called CHAIN which is a homelessness database. This database includes info like substance problems, offending history, risk to staff blaah blaah. These organisations always do risk assessments with each client. Anyway, volunteer one night. You haven't even sat down and had a proper convo with these people right so how can you know anything about them? I met this woman who was gang raped by Boko Haram. Walahi I have seen all sorts. Like I said, volunteer one night and come back and tell me the same thing.

It wouldn't be their home. It would be a winter night shelter when the mosque isn't even open!!! :sigh:

Adiga horta, are you immune from mental illness? What if that mental illness leads to you turning to alcohol or drugs? What if that then leads you to rough sleeping?

Bal dadkan eega subhanAllah.

Allah SWT can test me with anything with in a moment like that.

I don't want Allah SWT to test me so because I spoke without giving it proper thought I'll ask Ilaahey for forgiveness for talking out of ignorance. Ilaahey ha i dambi dhaafo.

But understand this, ma diidani inta la caawiyo these homeless people (yes that could be me tomorrow God forbid) but all I'm saying is there should be other means that the Muslim community can help these people. Not necessarily allow them to sleep in Masjidka.

[Hyperactive]

I just remembered this story, iman ahmad, was traveling, and it was cold and he was really old. he found small mosque and he slept, he was thrown out by the masjid guard. then he slept outside, the guard throw him out and said even outside the mosque is not allowed. he begged just few hours , he said no.

finally poor baker saw an old guy thrown out and told him he can sleep in his work place. so this not new news. lool

[lifeisbloodyhard]

Ahh apparently some mosques are used as winter shelters:

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/ ... nd-mosques

Edit: Wa been I think. Couldn't find specific mosques on Google plus this Winter Shelter List for London doesn't include any mosques but it is full of churches:

http://www.homeless.org.uk/sites/defaul ... %206_0.pdf

[gegiroor]

What do you mean by member of a church? Mosques have money. Trust me. You clearly haven't seen East London Mosque and their Maryam Centre.

Where do they get the money if it is not voluntary donations from Muslims who pray in there? I think you're in a mission to scapegoat the mosque. The mission to help the homeless is a noble one, but you're going about the wrong way. You and other Muslims can band together and help the poor, collect funds for them, establish guest houses and places where they go and eat.

If your goal is why the mosque can't be like the church, it is not and shouldn't be. You don't pay to go to the mosque. Their resources are scarce, it is based on voluntary donations from ordinary Muslims like you and me, and they don't have lobby groups in the West who collect billions of USD from the treasury departments in the West. Churchs and synagogues do have those resources.

Again the Muslims in the West are also not an established societies like Christians and Jews. You don't have four or five-generations Muslims in the West. That means, they're limited in establishing well-established non-profit groups who help the poor. Majority of the Muslims today are new arrivals. They don't congregate in one area. And they don't have steady resources who can cover the cost of places where thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people eat, sleep, and take shower everyday. Be realistic in your expectations from Muslims in the West.

[Inaayah]

Hyper, still la yarxum doesn't mean diin
Ma Lahan lol ps, not wanting them into masjid doesn't mean you have no naxariis. Anyhow May allah give shelter who ever doesn't have one.

This and amiin.

Said what I had to say nabaday.

[lifeisbloodyhard]

What do you mean by member of a church? Mosques have money. Trust me. You clearly haven't seen East London Mosque and their Maryam Centre.

Where do they get the money if it is not voluntary donations from Muslims who pray in there? I think you're in a mission to scapegoat the mosque. The mission to help the homeless is a noble one, but you're going about the wrong way. You and other Muslims can band together and help the poor, collect funds for them, establish guest houses and places where they go and eat.

If your goal is why the mosque can't be like the church, it is not and shouldn't be. You don't pay to go to the mosque. Their resources are scarce, it is based on voluntary donations from ordinary Muslims like you and me, and they don't have lobby groups in the West who collect billions of USD from the treasury departments in the West. Churchs and synagogues do have those resources.

Again the Muslims in the West are also not an established societies like Christians and Jews. You don't have four or five-generations Muslims in the West. That means, they're limited in establishing well-established non-profit groups who help the poor. Majority of the Muslims today are new arrivals. They don't congregate in one area. And they don't have steady resources who can cover the cost of places where thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people eat, sleep, and take shower everyday. Be realistic in your expectations from Muslims in the West.

Let's agree to disagree.

[lifeisbloodyhard]

Hyper, still la yarxum doesn't mean diin
Ma Lahan lol ps, not wanting them into masjid doesn't mean you have no naxariis. Anyhow May allah give shelter who ever doesn't have one.

This and amiin.

Said what I had to say nabaday.

Bye Inaayah.

[thehappyone]

You are guys are naive. Mosques are million pound businesses and the owners care about the bottom line. If the prayers hear about one incident involving a homeless man peeing or otherwise ruining the mosque they will stop going there and the mosque will be unable to pay the bills.

[jalaaludin5]

calm down people calm down.

The topic was about Churches Vs Mosques in terms of their outreach programmes. No need for people to get defensive about Muslims lagging behind their Christian counterparts. Muslims are all about fake bravado and putting up a front of piousness matched by a condescending holier than thou attitude. Apart from Tabliqi brothers who reach out to those in question and even helped many homeless, we have the salafis and their show-off-faith-of-front.

I see some people getting all worked up about the mosque been too sacred a place to consider those on the street. And suggestions to go seek a homeless shelter. A homeless shelter run (in All likelihood) by Christians. Mean while in the local Mosque of reer hebel its business as usual. The sheikh got it good. He has government funding, he has a share on single mothers hagbads, and a snitch for the local boys in blue.



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[Hyperactive]

You are guys are naive. Mosques are million pound businesses and the owners care about the bottom line. If the prayers hear about one incident involving a homeless man peeing or otherwise ruining the mosque they will stop going there and the mosque will be unable to pay the bills.

this makes sense. it's about bussness not religion and it's naharees la'an and greedy.

[lifeisbloodyhard]

calm down people calm down.

The topic was about Churches Vs Mosques in terms of their outreach programmes. No need for people to get defensive about Muslims lagging behind their Christian counterparts. Muslims are all about fake bravado and putting up a front of piousness matched by a condescending holier than thou attitude. Apart from Tabliqi brothers who reach out to those in question and even helped many homeless, we have the salafis and their show-off-faith-of-front.

I see some people getting all worked up about the mosque been too sacred a place to consider those on the street. And suggestions to go seek a homeless shelter. A homeless shelter run (in All likelihood) by Christians. Mean while in the local Mosque of reer hebel its business as usual. The sheikh got it good. He has government funding, he has a share on single mothers hagbads, and a snitch for the local boys in blue.



Islam is the true religion and Christianity is fake, yet Christians are more humane in their dealings with the public at large regardless of faith than Muslims.
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I know Muslims who have slept in churches walahi like the guy last night. He said he had slept in a church and a synagogue. Funny soo maaha.

[thehappyone]

You are guys are naive. Mosques are million pound businesses and the owners care about the bottom line. If the prayers hear about one incident involving a homeless man peeing or otherwise ruining the mosque they will stop going there and the mosque will be unable to pay the bills.

this makes sense. it's about bussness not religion and it's naharees la'an and greedy.

Mosques in the west already get so many complaints from local residents about noise etc they don't need the added stress of homeless people straggling around waiting for prayers to finish so they can sleep there.

[Hyperactive]

that is all can manage.