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balwarama wrote:so why did the coward flee when he was supposed to march to Mogadishu with the troops he was commanding dont forget that his forces were well equiped and cameback with everything intact as was the plan but still ran away like the coward he was just when the operation to topple the regime got underway!
Ok Baidoa division was well armed almost similir to Hargiesa's 26th division.balwarama wrote:what about Garowe as far as i know there was no Division in Garowe Abdulahi Yusuf was under the command of the Baidoa headquarted Division he was to participate in Sidamo front and head to Adisababa as he himself once said in an interview eventhou he was lying most of the time during the interview he was somebody with an Ax to grind!
Ultimately, the massive Cuban-Ethiopian assault combined with heavy aerial bombardment of Somali lines but also the supply lines in and around Hargueisa,caused the breakdown of the Somali Army in OgadenThat Cuban-Soviet assistance was decisive in both their
defeat and expulsion is therefore incontrovertible
The author says Cuban and Soviet assistance was decisive.
I know is very sad to accept Cuba defeated Somalia but you can not change the reality.The massive Cuban- Ethiopian assault broke down the Somali army.
Fair enough sxb. But that iron fist rule was only made possible by the financial and arms support from foreign entities. Also, the MJ's would have had vast moral grounds to justify a coup if they reached out to Isaaq and Hawiye and other darood members.Rambie wrote:
Phinks,
I think you are misinformed on the Somali history. No body was after Siad Barre in the when he toke the the power from 1969
1978. That's 10 years of iron fist rule which when excluding OG war, was mostly positive. After OG war a group of 500 soldiers
tried to overthrown Siad Barre. Yes, the majority MJ but I can't speak for their motives if it was for greater of Somalia or greed.
However, I can speak for Isaaq motives when they founded SNM. Aftermath of the OG war, a lot of refuges flood into SLAND. The refuges who were largely OG were empowered by the govt to takeover the land and marginalize the local population. The refuges were ordered to beat, loot and kill the local population in southern SLAND & the HAWD area of Ethiopia under many "anti Ethiopian armed movement" most notably, the WSLF.
The abuses lasted 2-3 years until a group of GX & HA diaspora in Saudi Arabia formed decided to take arms against the gov. They moved to UK and officially announced SNM. Now at the beginning, they did tried to include non-Isaaq members like Hawiya & Dir but they had no real influence on the ground & most of them walked out because most of the operations was in SLAND. If you want to check my claims, read I.M Lewis book titled Blood and Bone: The Call of Kinship in Somali Society.
Now as for the Ogaden war, Somalis always like to blow out of proportion and play it like the maskiin guy who was ganged up upon. The vast majority of the fighting on the ground was between Ethiopians and Somalis. There is a great book full of pics just come out last year about OG war. The reason for Somalia's defeat was the poor state and experience of Somali Air force which gave Ethiopia full air superiority and the reliance on false intelligence information by the incompetent Ali Matan, amma making thread about it now.
What I want to tell you is, Siad Barre isn't a maskiin leader who was thrown out duo to jealousy and xasiidnimo.
World is not black & white, as much as you associate apposition movements with it's tribal region that lack nationalism
you must also remember the second name of Kacaan regime, MOD government.
but actually we do have statehood, we just don't have international recognitionLegendarySS4 wrote:May the Idoors never get their statehood, ameen.
Phinks wrote:Every year we are told things are improving and getting better, every year we are told the fighting has stopped and every year we all get disappointed when everything repeats itself. We are run by a conglomerate of elites that have sold us out. This very same government was elected as a sham, the whole thing was rigged. We are being occupied by a foreign army raping young nomad girls and they are being paid for this while our forces complain about not receiving any pay at all. This army protects said government. Lol, just lol.
What's worse is these fools who embrace Federalism can't even see this at all and play right into the hands of the NWO. They mindlessly chatter click clacking on their f-king keyboards behind a f-king screen talking about how Federalism will solve everything. What these imbeciles can't deny however, is that Somalia was at its economic and cultural peak when clans weren't allowed to only serve their own interests.
A tribal flag, tribal militia and tribal leaders masquerading as nationalists is what destroyed Somalia in the first place. Its incompatible with a modern and democratic state. However, it is an integral part of our culture, it's who we are.
Somaliland will never get recognised, because if they did everyone would actually benefit from this and this would serve as an example to all other states to get their act together and kick start a nationwide initiative of peace and prosperity. However, this is not the objective of Washington and NATO. The objective is to keep us stagnating and prevent any form of national or economic reconciliation of any kind. Our elite sold us out and have reduced themselves to mere prostitutes of Ethiopia and Kenya. The thing is, while anyone can admit that these foreign entities exist to undermine us, it is our responsibility to recognise and thwart their efforts. But, we are a naturally hopeless and incompetent people. We are not as noble and resilient as the Iranians, the Chinese or even the Cubans who have openly and proudly stood up against and defied western imperialism and aggression. It seems Somalia is doomed because of our incompetency, I have since learned to accept this.
Have you?
