Worse Mass Shooting in American History 50 dead, subxanalaah

[X.Playa]

You as usual and typical Muslim went back to the redundant argument of so and so commit crimes too was ours are relatively benign.

Then you brought the Muslim plan B argument, that those criticize Islam or as you called us the murtad groups are ignorant and less informed.

However you didn't sadly deny that Islam jusify all the above crimes, and mind these crimes occur in the traditional orthodox compilation of Bukhaari, Muslim and Tarmiidi. We are not il educated, you are just can't defend the crimes of your religion.

[SahanGalbeed]

No matter how you slice it, secular western countries have killed far more innocent people in the Muslim world than vice versa yet nobody is attaching these crimes to the ideological foundations of the West.

Is this X guy now going to renounce democracy and secularism due to the millions of lives that have been destroyed in the name of these ideologies? I doubt it.

ISIS can be numbered in the thousands. We have standing western armies that have caused far more destruction than ISIS or any other ragtag militia (AQ, AS etc) in the name of "freedom" and democracy. I don't see anyone attacking the ideological foundations of the West based on this.

It's also quite ironic that a die-hard qabiilist, of all people, is going to talk about Islam being inherently violent lol. This guy literally supports killing the next man if it benefits his tribe. How is tribalism any different from religious fanaticism? If this guy was an SNM soldier who had stormed and killed a bunch of random "Faqash" he'd be supporting him and writing gabay about his bravery.

Excellent point . It is undeniable that the Quran contains violent passages , however it is the maturity of its followers that is at stake . If anything we here in the West are exposed to a different point of view , culture , way of doing things .We should take it as opportunity to advance ourselves not revert back to the most primitive ideology . You know it doesn't take much for a coward to use Islam nowadays .It is much more aggrandizing to say " I'm going out pledging allegiance to a group who's attracting the attention of all the superpowers in the world ", than to say" I cannot deal with my issues anymore "

[Raganimo]

Qur'an contains violent passages that were revealed during war. What else were they supposed to be about? Holding hands? Roses?

Even the violent verses set up rules, guidelines and command us to show restraint.

There are far more "peaceful verses". The truth is that if you want to make the case that the Qur'an is a book of violence, there are verses that would support that case. If you want to make the case that the Qur'an is some hippy, kumbaya, let's all hold hands kind of book, there are verses you could use to support that view.

It's easy to take any text out of context in order to present it in a certain light - positive or negative.

The Qur'an is a book of guidance. It speaks about peace, war, love, hate, paradise, hell etc.. The most central theme is submitting to Allah alone without ascribing any partners to him. It's called Al-Furqaan for a reason; some people are increased in guidance by reading Qur'an with a sincere heart and an open mind. Others become more entrenched in their misguidance due to their own arrogance and lack of introspection. Nobody is ever indifferent.

[X.Playa]

You are not addressing core issues that people find revolting in Islam. Example your prophet approving and recommending the killing of old man pass 90, a woman with suckling baby killed while her child was been breastfed and an old woman Which was tied to tow camels and tore a part , all because they offended hiM. Women prisoners of war collectively been raped, their men killed and their children sold to slavery.

You don't want to discuss reality, yo just want to beat around the bush. Are these act moral or immoral?

[Skyflyguy]

You as usual and typical Muslim went back to the redundant argument of so and so commit crimes too was ours are relatively benign.

Then you brought the Muslim plan B argument, that those criticize Islam or as you called us the murtad groups are ignorant and less informed.

However you didn't sadly deny that Islam jusify all the above crimes, and mind these crimes occur in the traditional orthodox compilation of Bukhaari, Muslim and Tarmiidi. We are not il educated, you are just can't defend the crimes of your religion.

The whole neo-conservative trend died in 2015 if you haven't noticed it's gotten old. It was cool at first a lost person would use carefully thought out neo-conservative doctrines and shock the Muslim, they would cite verses from the Quran, Hadith or just a story to portray an image of Islam specifically a violent image.

[Geeljire252]

Qur'an contains violent passages that were revealed during war. What else were they supposed to be about? Holding hands? Roses?

Even the violent verses set up rules, guidelines and command us to show restraint.

There are far more "peaceful verses". The truth is that if you want to make the case that the Qur'an is a book of violence, there are verses that would support that case. If you want to make the case that the Qur'an is some hippy, kumbaya, let's all hold hands kind of book, there are verses you could use to support that view.

It's easy to take any text out of context in order to present it in a certain light - positive or negative.

The Qur'an is a book of guidance. It speaks about peace, war, love, hate, paradise, hell etc.. The most central theme is submitting to Allah alone without ascribing any partners to him. It's called Al-Furqaan for a reason; some people are increased in guidance by reading Qur'an with a sincere heart and an open mind. Others become more entrenched in their misguidance due to their own arrogance and lack of introspection. Nobody is ever indifferent.

Wrong the laws of Islam during war are merciful not violent.
https://youtu.be/saAZhV__p1I[/youtube]

[Raganimo]

Qur'an contains violent passages that were revealed during war. What else were they supposed to be about? Holding hands? Roses?

Even the violent verses set up rules, guidelines and command us to show restraint.

There are far more "peaceful verses". The truth is that if you want to make the case that the Qur'an is a book of violence, there are verses that would support that case. If you want to make the case that the Qur'an is some hippy, kumbaya, let's all hold hands kind of book, there are verses you could use to support that view.

It's easy to take any text out of context in order to present it in a certain light - positive or negative.

The Qur'an is a book of guidance. It speaks about peace, war, love, hate, paradise, hell etc.. The most central theme is submitting to Allah alone without ascribing any partners to him. It's called Al-Furqaan for a reason; some people are increased in guidance by reading Qur'an with a sincere heart and an open mind. Others become more entrenched in their misguidance due to their own arrogance and lack of introspection. Nobody is ever indifferent.

Wrong the laws of Islam during war are merciful not violent.
https://youtu.be/saAZhV__p1I[/youtube]

Violence is natural and has its place in Islam and every other way of life. I don't know why you are shunning it. Fighting and killing are both acts of violence.

I didn't make the claim that the Qur'an encourages random acts of violence or dealing unjustly with other human beings. I merely stated that it mentions and even sanctions violence in certain cases (self-defence being the most obvious case!). Violence is not necessarily a bad thing, it totally depends on the context.

[Geeljire252]

^ it's Ramadan I suggest you learn the deen before you start arguing.
No where in the Quran or Sunnah does it say kill innocents.

[Raganimo]

^ it's Ramadan I suggest you learn the deen before you start arguing.
No where in the Quran or Sunnah does it say kill innocents.

Where did I say anything about killing innocents? Please, quote where I even insinuated such a thing. Go learn the English language before you try to correct other people.

[Raganimo]

"Go learn the Deen" is code-word for "I'm an obnoxious little brat who wants to pick a fight for no reason".

I said "the Qur'an contains violent passages". Aren't there passages in the Qur'an that legislate/encourage acts of violence in certain cases (self-defence being the most obvious case)? How on earth did you get that to mean "the Qur'an encourages killing innocents"?

Juhhaal like you who peddle this "No akhee, there is absolutely no violence in Qur'an" - nonsense is why some non-Muslims get confused when they open Surat Tawbah. Instead of contextualising those passages and explaining that they apply within a very narrow context, you get defensive and try to mould the Deen into something which it's not. Islam is not a pacifist religion. It's a holistic way of life which advocates peace in general, but also legislates violence in certain cases. "Violence" is not necessarily a bad thing. It completely depends on the context. F.e. defending your own life is a commendable act of violence. Killing innocents is a reprehensible act of violence. I shouldn't have to break this down as it should be quite obvious.

It's funny how you by-passed the people who were clearly attacking the Deen and came straight for my neck. You must be a Salafi.. or rather I should say Salafeee. Typical.

[Geeljire252]

^ it's Ramadan I suggest you learn the deen before you start arguing.
No where in the Quran or Sunnah does it say kill innocents.

Where did I say anything about killing innocents? Please, quote where I even insinuated such a thing. Go learn the English language before you try to correct other people.

Before you edited the above comment you said.
Killing is in normal in Islam and it shouldn't be "shunned".
Subxanallah how is killing normal in Islam.
War ilah ka baq don't tarnish the name of Islam.

[Raganimo]

^ it's Ramadan I suggest you learn the deen before you start arguing.
No where in the Quran or Sunnah does it say kill innocents.

Where did I say anything about killing innocents? Please, quote where I even insinuated such a thing. Go learn the English language before you try to correct other people.

Before you edited the above comment you said.
Killing is in normal in Islam and it shouldn't be "shunned".
Subxanallah how is killing normal in Islam.
War ilah ka baq don't tarnish the name of Islam.

You lying sack of crap, Wallahi billahi I did not say such a thing, Either you are dyslexic or you're a lying sack of dung and I pray that Allah deals with you.

That you would stoop to this level in order to score a cheap point. The only addition that I made was the last couple of sentences. I never said that "killing is natural in Islam". Fear Allah and stop lying. I said "violence is natural", which it is.

This is why you can't debate with the FOBs wallahi, they have a very poor comprehension of the English language yet they want to sit here and argue.

[Geeljire252]

"Go learn the Deen" is code-word for "I'm an obnoxious little brat who wants to pick a fight for no reason".

I said "the Qur'an contains violent passages". Aren't there passages in the Qur'an that legislate/encourage acts of violence in certain cases (self-defence being the most obvious case)? How on earth did you get that to mean "the Qur'an encourages killing innocents"?

Juhhaal like you who peddle this "No akhee, there is absolutely no violence in Qur'an" - nonsense is why some non-Muslims get confused when they open Surat Tawbah. Instead of contextualising those passages and explaining that they apply within a very narrow context, you get defensive and try to mould the Deen into something which it's not. Islam is not a pacifist religion. It's a holistic way of life which advocates peace in general, but also legislates violence in certain cases. "Violence" is not necessarily a bad thing. It completely depends on the context. F.e. defending your own life is a commendable act of violence. Killing innocents is a reprehensible act of violence. I shouldn't have to break this down as it should be quite obvious.

It's funny how you by-passed the people who were clearly attacking the Deen and came straight for my neck. You must be a Salafi.. or rather I should say Salafeee. Typical.

I said learn the deen because you said Islam is violent which is not true. Not even during times of war is Islam violent.

Also "go learn the deen" is not an insult. No one know 100% about the deen plus it is Ramadan we should strive to increase our ibada this month.

[Raganimo]

"Go learn the Deen" is code-word for "I'm an obnoxious little brat who wants to pick a fight for no reason".

I said "the Qur'an contains violent passages". Aren't there passages in the Qur'an that legislate/encourage acts of violence in certain cases (self-defence being the most obvious case)? How on earth did you get that to mean "the Qur'an encourages killing innocents"?

Juhhaal like you who peddle this "No akhee, there is absolutely no violence in Qur'an" - nonsense is why some non-Muslims get confused when they open Surat Tawbah. Instead of contextualising those passages and explaining that they apply within a very narrow context, you get defensive and try to mould the Deen into something which it's not. Islam is not a pacifist religion. It's a holistic way of life which advocates peace in general, but also legislates violence in certain cases. "Violence" is not necessarily a bad thing. It completely depends on the context. F.e. defending your own life is a commendable act of violence. Killing innocents is a reprehensible act of violence. I shouldn't have to break this down as it should be quite obvious.

It's funny how you by-passed the people who were clearly attacking the Deen and came straight for my neck. You must be a Salafi.. or rather I should say Salafeee. Typical.

I said learn the deen because you said Islam is violent which is not true. Not even during times of war is Islam violent.

Also "go learn the deen" is not an insult. No one know 100% about the deen plus it is Ramadan we should strive to increase our ibada this month.

I never said "Islam is violent".. Go back to ESL. I'm done with you dude.. I'll put you on ignore from here on out.

[Geeljire252]

Where did I say anything about killing innocents? Please, quote where I even insinuated such a thing. Go
Before you edited the above comment you said.
Killing is in normal in Islam and it shouldn't be "shunned".
Subxanallah how is killing normal in Islam.
War ilah ka baq don't tarnish the name of Islam.

You lying sack of crap, Wallahi billahi I did not say such a thing, Either you are dyslexic or you're a lying sack of dung and I pray that Allah deals with you.

That you would stoop to this level in order to score a cheap point. The only addition that I made was the last couple of sentences. I never said that "killing is natural in Islam". Fear Allah and stop lying. I said "violence is natural", which it is.

This is why you can't debate with the FOBs wallahi, they have a very poor comprehension of the English language yet they want to sit here and argue.

Subxanallah how is violence natural in Islam.
Where in the Quran does it preach violence?

Wuuba Isla saxsanyahay?

Do you know?
that there was a Jewish woman in Mecca who would throw garbage on the doorstep of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in defiance of his message, and one day she fell sick and could not throw the garbage, so the Prophet (peace be upon him) visited her.

And you want to argue Islam preaches violence.
Both you and that ex muslim X.Playa should be ashamed of yourself.
X. Playa need to be ashamed of himself for insulting our peaceful and beloved religion.
You need to be ashamed of yourself for saying wrong information about Islam such as "it is violent during war".
ISLAM is perfect, but the followers(Muslims) apart from Prophet Muhammad (saw) are not.