Negusyenegast wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:55 amOnce again, you're missing my point. No one wants to be assimilated by oromos. This is the truth. I would rather be a second class citizen and have to learn a second language than lose my identity.Waachis wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:31 pmNegusyenegast wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:54 pm
I never said that the Ethiopian forces never committed atrocities. This is a given during those times, but they did allow ethnicities to survive without assimilating them. Once again what's worse, losing or having to pay tax or losing your identity? On a side note these atrocities of Ethiopia were also committed by oromos on oromos. These atrocities were not because of ethnicity, the western oromos who didn't resist the Ethiopian forces were never attacked. Oromos have made up Ethiopias army, aristocrats, emperors, peasants since their expansion into northern Ethiopia. Do you really think you could have survived (yejuu and wollo oromos) if habeshas really hated you. We treat you with the same respect we receive.
On a side note, would you rather side with other Ethiopians or Somalis who want nothing but to take the bale and arsi area?
Ps Agews are the most patriotic Ethiopians and have no hate for Amharas or tigrayans. They have also made up emperors and so on. I don't think you've ever even met or befriended one, so let's not lie about their relations.
Allow ethnic groups to survive? AKA Whoever survived the massacre and enslavement, was allowed to live? Is that some kind of abyssinian justice or favor that you're doing those people?
if the oromo form of conquest was worse, we wouldn't have captured more land than both the amhara and tigrayans combined.
we didn't capture more land because we had superior technology, in comparison to the Abyssinians.
we captured more land because our egalitarian system form of governance is very different than the strict, hierarchical society of the abyssinians. it attracted more people to our fold, to be adopted, given an oromo name, and assimilated into oromo society.
hence the reason why outsiders called the oromo culture ''open, kind, and welcoming, as long as you work hard,'' while describing the abyssinian society as ''closed off to strangers, mistrusting of others, etc.''
there are pros and cons, however, to both the oromo system and the abyssinian system, this I must admit.
as far as the yejju and wollo, for the most part, they came there with military force, not because you tigrayans welcomed them. the same way tplf came to oromia and elsewhere in ethiopia with force, and not because they were wanted there or something else.
the wollo oromo, for example, were requested to gondar, to help them fight off the tigrayans who would've captured power (and they did, under the powerful tigrayan ruler named ras mikael sehul).
the oromo there even made the oromo language of the courts of gondar and all political circles.
not only that, the amhara and tigrayans weren't united, the amhara saw tigrayans as a threat to their own grip on power.
so the oromo balanced things out in favor of the amhara. hence the reason tigrayans are apt to say ''amharas are half galla (oromo).''
so do not act as if things are that simple, as if the oromos weren't ''destroyed'' in the north, simply due to ''abyssinian generosity.''
as far as the somalis go... while i support their right to be free of ethiopian interference, i do not support their territorial claims in ethiopia.
whatever issues i have with tigrayans, is different, because i do believe tplf will force secession onto tigray when the time is right.
so there is no future for oromo-tigray relations, but i am sure we oromos will work with and negotiate with amharas and other ethiopians eventually.
Tigrayans don't want to separate from Ethiopia, we literally created the country. Have you even been to Ethiopia? Not everyone thinks on ethnic lines...
No one? Speak for YOURSELF. You have NO RIGHT to speak on behalf of other ethnic groups, that's the typical Tigrayan arrogance/narcissism, thinking you can speak for everyone. MANY, MANY people VOLUNTARILY joined OROMO SOCIETY because of how OPEN IT IS, as opposed to the closed off, non-trusting, Tigrayan and Amhara societies. How else do u think our numbers and land increased so much, more than you and amhara combined? Because of superior technology? NO! Because of a superior societal system/morals/values/ethics.
TPLF will force tigrayans to secede, even if they do not want to, they have the guns and tanks to force it on you, and then, they can use the threat of genocide on you to scare you into it as well, it almost happened in 2005.
