100+ MPs tailer motion against PM; 1st in history a PM's clan, not the Pres, table successful motion against sitting PM

[Hulkujir]

Gubbet COME ON SXB. Okay Aniga Murax ahaan if UAE gave me bags and said rig the election are you honestly telling me I cannot find 50 MJs who will take the cash in a poverty stricken country where the unemployment is 100% to do whatever it is I tell them to? You DAMN RIGHT they will. That’s exactly what happened last election with Deni/Ceelwalow. Think real world and not fantasy. The exception doesn’t disprove the rule, you know damn well the Ceelwalow process MPs, Madoobe concubines in Kismaayo you mentioned were, and are loathed by the overwhelming majority MX all
Around world. Yes lions share of the responsibility is within us, however the answer isn’t what you’re proposing which is wishing for the very same people who exploited your kal daadsanaan to be in a situation where they can continue to do it.


When life throws you lemons make lemonade. Our cards are our cards nothing we can do. As much as I loathe these prostitute 2 cent hoes Janaan, Fartaag, etc if they are now beating the drums for a MX led Jubbaland with HSM/Hamza remaining as much as I hate to find myself on the same side as these so called MX I’ll have to support that. Let’s put out the fire, then hold them accountable for their treason later.

No. Simply sxb, no.

Mareexaan has a very endemic, "pervasive" HORGAL problem.

Both Mudug and Gedo.

Allah (set) does not change someone's circumstance unless they are willing to change it themselves.

Look at how far Dhulbahante had to come for his unity. Yesterday, every tribal section signed a new Xeer that there can be no one who is Dhulbahante and is on the Somaliland side right now.

Look what that means===ultimate sign of unity that folks "born" Dhulbahante have been excommunicated LEGALLY AND PRACTICALLY by their own diya-paying group (Juffo).

Marehan is Mohamud Sayid Aden who after years in Garbahaareey being against Madoobe one day up and sat down in Kismaayo. It is Kaliil as recent Governor in Garbahaareey being against Madoobe sat himself down in Kismaayo. It is Maxamed Muxumud the same. It is Macalimoow. It is Aw Xirsi flip flopping back to Kismaayo. It is the Hawlraarsame and Habar Yacquub pre-El Wak MPs doing the same when Janan and Fartaag flip flopped back. It is the current kingpin of Marehan Mudug who after going to Kismaayo and Madoobe and being rejected because he was a "Rer Mudug and Rer Diini" ended up putting a isbaaro down in Caabudwaaq that has caused 100% of the political problems in Marehan Mudug of the last 3 years including both city council shenanigans.


Reer Gedo, Reer Mudug, Galti, Guri, Reer Hassan, Reer Ahmed, Talxe, Habar Yacquub, Hawlraarsame, Reer Ugaas Shermaarke, Reer Siyaad, Reer Dalal, Reer Gedo, Reer Mudug, Galti, Guri,

No. Simply sxb, no.

Marehan has a serious, serious, serious problem.

I love history and I know Marehan very, very, very well. Probably---when you take into consideration their history to their present---I could even be one of the people in the entire world who "most' know them.

If we were Dhulbahante, it would be another 10 years before Las Anod revolution.

Do not blame anyone else, walaal, for the extent of the problem manifesting in Marehan of the last decade.

And the responsibility lies with Marehan themselves! No one else!

Waryaa Rer Dalal and Wagardhac are brothers their camels and cows fuck each other, adiga kama hadli kartid Wagardhac you are Rer Siyaad you don't live anywhere near them, waa cadeyse your political orientation with your "Feysal Canood is Horgal" thread, hadaba fashilka ku socotid aan kaa qabto, your mom is Wagardhac, but you have no idea what exist between Wagardhac and Rer Dalal who live right next to each other.

As Rer Dalal waa ka xishooda arimaha Gedo because dad tolkay ah baa degan ha noqdaan Ali Hussein, Farah Ugas, Rer Hassan, Rer Ahmed, Howrarsame etc, I am Rer Dalal its none of my business to have such strong feelings in the internal politics there, even though Adan Low a Rer Dalal made Luuq Ganane capital of its own seperate MX zone which today mirrors Gedo borders, while MSB changed it to Garboharey, look today Luuq is acting once again as the capital of Gedo since Farmaajo, since Gedo unity, waryaa we want MX unity and MX interest, we don't want MX disunity and Shisheeye dan in f-king Goojacade, orad aad Goojacade adiga.

[Hulkujir]

When SNF wanted to reinstall MSB in Xamar, Gaani said Nope and peaced out, he said Kacaan is dead move on you are MX, Kumanaan oo MX ayuu ka badbaadiye fashil, those boys were later put to good use fighting Morgan in Kismaayo with Barre Hiiraale, Voltage if you come with Siyaasad fiican we will follow you, but Goojacade Goojacade iyo isku dirka MX nobody supports you not even Murax who I use to call your personal cheerleader.

Markuu caqli jirn what will happen is what happened under Xiiraane, and Barre Hiiraale, the Goobweyn fashil, caqliga MX ma ahan dadkaan gaboobe there are literally hundreds of thousands of MX youth who are more educated and have MX interest at heart, fuck these old timers and people who want to continue beating a dead horse, fuck Darood, If MJ are Harti then Harti are Mahbar, if Mahbar can destroy Kacaan from the inside, I say good look with SL because you are not insiders and they piss on Darood, anaguna we are MX banaan baa ka nahay Harti iyo KAblalalax

[Murax]

Murax-

If the fight against Muuse Biixi ever goes wrong, the only people Majeerteen expect to get help from---the ONLY people Majeerteen 100% believe will be their only lifeline--is Marehan. They will implicate the "Darod" name, use "Kablalax" against MX, they will even in that moment send ergo to both MX and OG, but every single Majerten 15 year old, forget their 50 year old, knows if it came to that point, it is either MX will come to them or they will perish. Wallahi.

Majerten dhaqluu ku jiray.

Look @ the way Yusuf is talking.

There was a sleeping, Irir giant that was dormant now interested in nothing but interfering in Somalia not even against "Darod" per see or even MJ but "Mohamuud Saleebaan."

That's with the Irir giant towards Mogadishu who seems to despise MJ more viciously and purposefully than even the MX of Darod or anyone else who daily sheds their blood.

MJ dhaqluu ku jiray and the absolutely selfishly unbothered and starkly "alien" stranger Madoobe has shown himself to be after what they did for him particularly when they have had to reface a long reality had sobered their political elite more than even their own layman know.

For the truth is "OG" in Somalia is like Digil and Mirifle in Irir v "Darod."

OG is a "nominal" Darod where "Somalia" is concerned. Mogadishu doesn't concern him, Mudug doesn't concern him, SSC and Hargeisa doesn't concern him, Gaalkacyo and Gelaadi grazing doesn't concern him, in fact HG, Hiraab, bordering them, national equity---none of that fundamentally concerns him whereas the Marehan boy near Nageyle on the Liibaan plains and the MJ boy in Baargaal looking down on Indian Ocean and the Dhulbahante boy in Widhwidh looking across the Cayn valley all equally and sharply look up and think the same thing whether the Hawiye on the coastal plains at Dhusamareb or the Isaaq at Caynabo are brought up and all equally internalize that border with Hawiye at Dhusamareb or that border with Isaaq at Caynaba is "their" border as Darod Somalia.

It is even not surprising that Cumar Jees and SPM were the ones who betrayed Darod in 1991 to "switch" to Caydiid.

Such a luxury.

Do you think Marehan could just frivolously "jump" to switch to Caydiid? Could the Majerteen? Could the Dhulbahante?

Cumar Jees didn't matter to Darod vs Irir in Somalia. The whole fight was a 'video game' to him, even play acting. He had nothing substantively at stake. It was ''political' theatrics.

The Marehan was fighting for his home, his grazing, his life. The MJ the same. The Dhulbahante the same. They were fighting for Caabudwaaq and Baardheere, Luuq and Balanbale, Garacad and Gaalkacyo, Beyra and Dudub, Buuhoodle and Horufadhi, Xudun and Yagoori.

And so MJ knows if things ever go bad and Muuse gobbles them up, MX will shortly thereafter be gobbled up by Irir.

And so MJ knows MX will come to their aid and they are the only ones whom they can plan for backup in case it were required.

And so there is a very, very, very sober conversation taking place in which there is not just "regret" for what they did in Kismaayo and Madoobe, but acidic "disgust."

The nonsense that has been stated in this topic by the MX laymen, very similar to the MJ laymen, is nothing more than the unaware oo "dhaqlo ku jiro."

There is a very, very, very similarly "sober" conversation taking place in the Marehan elite that is just as evocative and nuanced about the frivolity of the old 'rivalry' btw them and MJ that looks more "childlike" and "juvenile" than anything else.

For the reasons you stated and many more it would behoove MX/MJ to work together. Not denying that. That said as the saying goes cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face MJ would theoretically do that to MX when given the chance. I don’t blame the following narratives have sway amongst them:

-Somalia was a MJ Kingdom/Sultanate until MSB came and ruined it
-The decade long war between Morgan/Hiiraale
-MX being Mucaarad on the opposite side when MJ were President in 2007
-Subsequent Governments where it’s always MJ/MX competing for the Darood seat
-Finally nail in the coffin a sitting powerful DAAROOD President in Farmaajo that the institution Puntland bitterly opposed. I don’t care for what potential reasons one could find, it is obvious it was bottom line the fact that Farmaajo was Sade.


You say times are potentially different but I challenge you brother to show real tangible actions that disprove my points.

[Ghiklo]

Why are some of you claiming Farmaajo represented Daarood interests? Here are some facts to jog your memory:

1) Farmaajo gave thirteen senate seats to Hawiye.

2) Su'aashaas waa adagtahay kama jawaabi karo--Farmaajo

[Gubbet]

Gubbet COME ON SXB. Okay Aniga Murax ahaan if UAE gave me bags and said rig the election are you honestly telling me I cannot find 50 MJs who will take the cash in a poverty stricken country where the unemployment is 100% to do whatever it is I tell them to? You DAMN RIGHT they will. That’s exactly what happened last election with Deni/Ceelwalow. Think real world and not fantasy. The exception doesn’t disprove the rule, you know damn well the Ceelwalow process MPs, Madoobe concubines in Kismaayo you mentioned were, and are loathed by the overwhelming majority MX all
Around world. Yes lions share of the responsibility is within us, however the answer isn’t what you’re proposing which is wishing for the very same people who exploited your kal daadsanaan to be in a situation where they can continue to do it.


When life throws you lemons make lemonade. Our cards are our cards nothing we can do. As much as I loathe these prostitute 2 cent hoes Janaan, Fartaag, etc if they are now beating the drums for a MX led Jubbaland with HSM/Hamza remaining as much as I hate to find myself on the same side as these so called MX I’ll have to support that. Let’s put out the fire, then hold them accountable for their treason later.

No. Simply sxb, no.

Mareexaan has a very endemic, "pervasive" HORGAL problem.

Both Mudug and Gedo.

Allah (set) does not change someone's circumstance unless they are willing to change it themselves.

Look at how far Dhulbahante had to come for his unity. Yesterday, every tribal section signed a new Xeer that there can be no one who is Dhulbahante and is on the Somaliland side right now.

Look what that means===ultimate sign of unity that folks "born" Dhulbahante have been excommunicated LEGALLY AND PRACTICALLY by their own diya-paying group (Juffo).

Marehan is Mohamud Sayid Aden who after years in Garbahaareey being against Madoobe one day up and sat down in Kismaayo. It is Kaliil as recent Governor in Garbahaareey being against Madoobe sat himself down in Kismaayo. It is Maxamed Muxumud the same. It is Macalimoow. It is Aw Xirsi flip flopping back to Kismaayo. It is the Hawlraarsame and Habar Yacquub pre-El Wak MPs doing the same when Janan and Fartaag flip flopped back. It is the current kingpin of Marehan Mudug who after going to Kismaayo and Madoobe and being rejected because he was a "Rer Mudug and Rer Diini" ended up putting a isbaaro down in Caabudwaaq that has caused 100% of the political problems in Marehan Mudug of the last 3 years including both city council shenanigans.


Reer Gedo, Reer Mudug, Galti, Guri, Reer Hassan, Reer Ahmed, Talxe, Habar Yacquub, Hawlraarsame, Reer Ugaas Shermaarke, Reer Siyaad, Reer Dalal, Reer Gedo, Reer Mudug, Galti, Guri,

No. Simply sxb, no.

Marehan has a serious, serious, serious problem.

I love history and I know Marehan very, very, very well. Probably---when you take into consideration their history to their present---I could even be one of the people in the entire world who "most' know them.

If we were Dhulbahante, it would be another 10 years before Las Anod revolution.

Do not blame anyone else, walaal, for the extent of the problem manifesting in Marehan of the last decade.

And the responsibility lies with Marehan themselves! No one else!

Waryaa Rer Dalal and Wagardhac are brothers their camels and cows fuck each other, adiga kama hadli kartid Wagardhac you are Rer Siyaad you don't live anywhere near them, waa cadeyse your political orientation with your "Feysal Canood is Horgal" thread, hadaba fashilka ku socotid aan kaa qabto, your mom is Wagardhac, but you have no idea what exist between Wagardhac and Rer Dalal who live right next to each other.

As Rer Dalal waa ka xishooda arimaha Gedo because dad tolkay ah baa degan ha noqdaan Ali Hussein, Farah Ugas, Rer Hassan, Rer Ahmed, Howrarsame etc, I am Rer Dalal its none of my business to have such strong feelings in the internal politics there, even though Adan Low a Rer Dalal made Luuq Ganane capital of its own seperate MX zone which today mirrors Gedo borders, while MSB changed it to Garboharey, look today Luuq is acting once again as the capital of Gedo since Farmaajo, since Gedo unity, waryaa we want MX unity and MX interest, we don't want MX disunity and Shisheeye dan in f-king Goojacade, orad aad Goojacade adiga.

Do you see this guy?



That's Maxamed Muxumud. Ahmed Rasta's older brother. He was the Governor of Gedo. He is Rer Siyaad. You can read what I used to write about him and how much support he had from me.

Since he switched to Ahmed Madoobe, I haven't written more than 1 sentence about him.

I never brought up his name again except like I did earlier in this topic to express profound difference.

If you were Reer Siyaad, given the behavior, personality, and shortcomings you are completely powerless against to overcome, you would ve clawing my eyes out defending this man and would even be implicating me as being against "Reer Siyaad" in your weakness to overcome the negative excesses of qabyaalad.

I told you this before and I don't want to ever say it to you again because I am just simply tired of you---but you display ALLL the negativities of "qabyaalad" or tribalism and absolutely 0, I mean 0 of the positivity of "qabiil" or kinship.

Waxaad la gubanaysid waad is ogtahay.

You are an enabler and none of this problem I have identified within Marehan would even exist if it did not have so much of enabling.

That is why I say no to Murax, the problem is "Marehan" no one else.

Dhulbahante, God bless them, they have implicated themselves in something I can only hope Marehan would be able to sometime soon.

[Hulkujir]

politically I am against you but I am not going to sneak insult Rer Siyaad, I am direct, and I don't want MX disunity even if its small disunity, ninkaas sawirkiis soo dhigtay xitaa I dont get why you are doing that, I don't know him and I know even less what he is up to because it is irrelevant, MX is united, mowqif baa leenahay and its not something habar wacasho and Darood can change ina adeer.

Tan kale always show respect to other juffo, you are not Wagardhac, you are not Rer Dalal you are not any other MX juffo but Rer Siyaad, MXnimada wee inaga dhaxeysa, qof kale afkiis ha ku hadlin on juffo level show respect.

[Gubbet]

politically I am against you but I am not going to sneak insult Rer Siyaad, I am direct, and I don't want MX disunity even if its small disunity, ninkaas sawirkiis soo dhigtay xitaa I dont get why you are doing that, I don't know him and I know even less what he is up to because it is irrelevant, MX is united, mowqif baa leenahay and its not something habar wacasho and Darood can change ina adeer.

Tan kale always show respect to other juffo, you are not Wagardhac, you are not Rer Dalal you are not any other MX juffo but Rer Siyaad, MXnimada wee inaga dhaxeysa, qof kale afkiis ha ku hadlin on juffo level show respect.

The problem is you know I am Marehan whereas I don't believe you are. I have said it multiple times, and it is not an insult or an attack, but I think Marehan is your "reer abti" and you are Hawiye, in fact Cayr. That is what I "think."

But even beyond what I think, what I "know" is your views---particularly about "Goojacadde" is not even just an "extreme" outlier but is "singularly" your own individual viewpoint regarding the Marehan perspective.

Understand again what I just said.

The viewpoint you are trying to express "as" Marehan is not "just" something that is am "extreme outlier" but is even "singularly" yours.

Your viewpoint is not just "unrepresented" in the Marehan perspective but is in fact"contrary" to it.

I have not come across 1 ("ONE") "single" Marehan with your viewpoint.

Your viewpoint is from the "USC" perspective being expressed as the "SNF" perspective.

Regardless, the issue is you do not "represent" the Marehan perspective and I resent that you are "imposing" it as one.

I don't know how much more clarification one needs to be respectfully told 'stop' fighting Marehan people expressing 'the' Marehan perspective.

[skywalker25]

Murax-

If the fight against Muuse Biixi ever goes wrong, the only people Majeerteen expect to get help from---the ONLY people Majeerteen 100% believe will be their only lifeline--is Marehan. They will implicate the "Darod" name, use "Kablalax" against MX, they will even in that moment send ergo to both MX and OG, but every single Majerten 15 year old, forget their 50 year old, knows if it came to that point, it is either MX will come to them or they will perish. Wallahi.

Majerten dhaqluu ku jiray.

Look @ the way Yusuf is talking.

There was a sleeping, Irir giant that was dormant now interested in nothing but interfering in Somalia not even against "Darod" per see or even MJ but "Mohamuud Saleebaan."

That's with the Irir giant towards Mogadishu who seems to despise MJ more viciously and purposefully than even the MX of Darod or anyone else who daily sheds their blood.

MJ dhaqluu ku jiray and the absolutely selfishly unbothered and starkly "alien" stranger Madoobe has shown himself to be after what they did for him particularly when they have had to reface a long reality had sobered their political elite more than even their own layman know.

For the truth is "OG" in Somalia is like Digil and Mirifle in Irir v "Darod."

OG is a "nominal" Darod where "Somalia" is concerned. Mogadishu doesn't concern him, Mudug doesn't concern him, SSC and Hargeisa doesn't concern him, Gaalkacyo and Gelaadi grazing doesn't concern him, in fact HG, Hiraab, bordering them, national equity---none of that fundamentally concerns him whereas the Marehan boy near Nageyle on the Liibaan plains and the MJ boy in Baargaal looking down on Indian Ocean and the Dhulbahante boy in Widhwidh looking across the Cayn valley all equally and sharply look up and think the same thing whether the Hawiye on the coastal plains at Dhusamareb or the Isaaq at Caynabo are brought up and all equally internalize that border with Hawiye at Dhusamareb or that border with Isaaq at Caynaba is "their" border as Darod Somalia.

It is even not surprising that Cumar Jees and SPM were the ones who betrayed Darod in 1991 to "switch" to Caydiid.

Such a luxury.

Do you think Marehan could just frivolously "jump" to switch to Caydiid? Could the Majerteen? Could the Dhulbahante?

Cumar Jees didn't matter to Darod vs Irir in Somalia. The whole fight was a 'video game' to him, even play acting. He had nothing substantively at stake. It was ''political' theatrics.

The Marehan was fighting for his home, his grazing, his life. The MJ the same. The Dhulbahante the same. They were fighting for Caabudwaaq and Baardheere, Luuq and Balanbale, Garacad and Gaalkacyo, Beyra and Dudub, Buuhoodle and Horufadhi, Xudun and Yagoori.

And so MJ knows if things ever go bad and Muuse gobbles them up, MX will shortly thereafter be gobbled up by Irir.

And so MJ knows MX will come to their aid and they are the only ones whom they can plan for backup in case it were required.

And so there is a very, very, very sober conversation taking place in which there is not just "regret" for what they did in Kismaayo and Madoobe, but acidic "disgust."

The nonsense that has been stated in this topic by the MX laymen, very similar to the MJ laymen, is nothing more than the unaware oo "dhaqlo ku jiro."

There is a very, very, very similarly "sober" conversation taking place in the Marehan elite that is just as evocative and nuanced about the frivolity of the old 'rivalry' btw them and MJ that looks more "childlike" and "juvenile" than anything else.

Everything you've said sounds extremely beside pro MJ position. If you consider all your arguments objectively, then one would understand the main actor in all this is MJ. They created this conflict by using the Dhubahnte, who they know all Darod have soft spot but who they also know are not that smartest. Somaliland has treated the Dhulbahnte well since it took over Las anood and the Dhulbahnte have away broken bread with us equals. The Dhubahnte were not persecuted by Isaaq's in Las anood, instead it was MJ instructed daily assassinations that started this instability. Granted Muse handled the whole thing like a bull in a china shop but he is a bit part player. No Somaliland leader could come out of this situation better. This conflict is not about Dhulbahnte freedom but MJ supremacy. They want use this as a stepping stone to gain more power, be it them increasing in land size or gaining more power politically.The MJ know Isaaq well, they know we are not like the Hawiye and afterwards wont come to their homes and kill them. We've had the power motive and resources to attack Garowe over the past couple of years but never have. This doomsday scenario of MJ destruction is a fantasy. We haven't even destroyed las anood, why Puntland. The bottom line is the MX will be used like the Dhulbahnte condom and discarded if they follow the MJ piper Gubbet.

[Gubbet]

Murax-

If the fight against Muuse Biixi ever goes wrong, the only people Majeerteen expect to get help from---the ONLY people Majeerteen 100% believe will be their only lifeline--is Marehan. They will implicate the "Darod" name, use "Kablalax" against MX, they will even in that moment send ergo to both MX and OG, but every single Majerten 15 year old, forget their 50 year old, knows if it came to that point, it is either MX will come to them or they will perish. Wallahi.

Majerten dhaqluu ku jiray.

Look @ the way Yusuf is talking.

There was a sleeping, Irir giant that was dormant now interested in nothing but interfering in Somalia not even against "Darod" per see or even MJ but "Mohamuud Saleebaan."

That's with the Irir giant towards Mogadishu who seems to despise MJ more viciously and purposefully than even the MX of Darod or anyone else who daily sheds their blood.

MJ dhaqluu ku jiray and the absolutely selfishly unbothered and starkly "alien" stranger Madoobe has shown himself to be after what they did for him particularly when they have had to reface a long reality had sobered their political elite more than even their own layman know.

For the truth is "OG" in Somalia is like Digil and Mirifle in Irir v "Darod."

OG is a "nominal" Darod where "Somalia" is concerned. Mogadishu doesn't concern him, Mudug doesn't concern him, SSC and Hargeisa doesn't concern him, Gaalkacyo and Gelaadi grazing doesn't concern him, in fact HG, Hiraab, bordering them, national equity---none of that fundamentally concerns him whereas the Marehan boy near Nageyle on the Liibaan plains and the MJ boy in Baargaal looking down on Indian Ocean and the Dhulbahante boy in Widhwidh looking across the Cayn valley all equally and sharply look up and think the same thing whether the Hawiye on the coastal plains at Dhusamareb or the Isaaq at Caynabo are brought up and all equally internalize that border with Hawiye at Dhusamareb or that border with Isaaq at Caynaba is "their" border as Darod Somalia.

It is even not surprising that Cumar Jees and SPM were the ones who betrayed Darod in 1991 to "switch" to Caydiid.

Such a luxury.

Do you think Marehan could just frivolously "jump" to switch to Caydiid? Could the Majerteen? Could the Dhulbahante?

Cumar Jees didn't matter to Darod vs Irir in Somalia. The whole fight was a 'video game' to him, even play acting. He had nothing substantively at stake. It was ''political' theatrics.

The Marehan was fighting for his home, his grazing, his life. The MJ the same. The Dhulbahante the same. They were fighting for Caabudwaaq and Baardheere, Luuq and Balanbale, Garacad and Gaalkacyo, Beyra and Dudub, Buuhoodle and Horufadhi, Xudun and Yagoori.

And so MJ knows if things ever go bad and Muuse gobbles them up, MX will shortly thereafter be gobbled up by Irir.

And so MJ knows MX will come to their aid and they are the only ones whom they can plan for backup in case it were required.

And so there is a very, very, very sober conversation taking place in which there is not just "regret" for what they did in Kismaayo and Madoobe, but acidic "disgust."

The nonsense that has been stated in this topic by the MX laymen, very similar to the MJ laymen, is nothing more than the unaware oo "dhaqlo ku jiro."

There is a very, very, very similarly "sober" conversation taking place in the Marehan elite that is just as evocative and nuanced about the frivolity of the old 'rivalry' btw them and MJ that looks more "childlike" and "juvenile" than anything else.

Everything you've said sounds extremely beside pro MJ position. If you consider all your arguments objectively, then one would understand the main actor in all this is MJ. They created this conflict by using the Dhubahnte, who they know all Darod have soft spot but who they also know are not that smartest. Somaliland has treated the Dhulbahnte well since it took over Las anood and the Dhulbahnte have away broken bread with us equals. The Dhubahnte were not persecuted by Isaaq's in Las anood, instead it was MJ instructed daily assassinations that started this instability. Granted Muse handled the whole thing like a bull in a china shop but he is a bit part player. No Somaliland leader could come out of this situation better. This conflict is not about Dhulbahnte freedom but MJ supremacy. They want use this as a stepping stone to gain more power, be it them increasing in land size or gaining more power politically.The MJ know Isaaq well, they know we are not like the Hawiye and afterwards wont come to their homes and kill them. We've had the power motive and resources to attack Garowe over the past couple of years but never have. This doomsday scenario of MJ destruction is a fantasy. We haven't even destroyed las anood, why Puntland. The bottom line is the MX will be used like the Dhulbahnte condom and discarded if they follow the MJ piper Gubbet.

I think Sahal was the only one who noticed, probably because of his obsessive attention to detail about anything I write, and in fact alluded to it a number of times without necessarily pointing it out ----that I, although quiet about it and sometimes even expressed contrarily, am extremely pro-MJ in terms of their value, role, and participation in Somali national politics. I would be the number Barre Hiiraale supporter against Morgan right this second were it 1997 again and Kismaayo, but I would also be lobbying within Marehan to push Abdullahi Yusuf through the finish line in 2004 embagathi when it become apparent it was either him or Qanyare. I would be helping remove Koojaar and Afgaduud from Lower Jubba when their dulmi against MX become too much in Kismaayo but would be lobbying within Marehan to shore up Abdullahi Yusuf if his position ever become untenable when he was in Jowhar and then Mogadishu. I would be doing what I can to repel Reer Bicidyahan when they instituted land dispute against MX in Yamaaruglay buy would be bringing as much effort to support them in Gaalkacyo where they ever seriously burdened again from Hobyo. I am not these new age MX and MJ whose frame of reference is post-SSDF vs Kacaan. Knowledge of history has made me an old school MX and MJ. Protecting what is mine on one hand, protecting what is ours on the other hand. Congratulations---it has taken you Goojacadde to see the real "Darod" framework.

[Hulkujir]

Gubbet I have one question niyow, is Mohamed Ali the Wagardhac who is one of the biggest MX political commentator Horgal yes or no.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

I get it you are yearning for a working relationship with the MJ political class. You’re making many cases for why it’s mutually advantageous, which are legit reasons. However I’m sorry to tell you this isn’t a desire that’s reciprocated on the other side. If you carry on making this case I’m afraid it’ll only make us look lonely, needy at the end of the day.


Personally I think MX’s best card is as a standalone type clan. We are the only ones who neighbor:

-D&M
-Hawiye
-Dir (Galgaduud, a respectable small Dir community in Luuq)
-All Darood in Wardeer, along with OG in Jubooyinka

Only clan we don’t share a border with are Isaaq


No other Somali clan comes into close contact with as much Somali clans as we do. MX’s advantage should always be being that center clan most Somalis have working relationships with.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

I get it you are yearning for a working relationship with the MJ political class. You’re making many cases for why it’s mutually advantageous, which are legit reasons. However I’m sorry to tell you this isn’t a desire that’s reciprocated on the other side. If you carry on making this case I’m afraid it’ll only make us look lonely, needy at the end of the day.


Personally I think MX’s best card is as a standalone type clan. We are the only ones who neighbor:

-D&M
-Hawiye
-Dir (Galgaduud, a respectable small Dir community in Luuq)
-All Darood in Wardeer, along with OG in Jubooyinka

Only clan we don’t share a border with are Isaaq


No other Somali clan comes into close contact with as much Somali clans as we do. MX’s advantage should always be being that center clan most Somalis have working relationships with.