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Eventhough I dont need to explain myself...what I actually meant was yes...lets assume a scenario where Kenya or Uganda is trying to help somalis to achieve peace and contribute troops to keep the peace abd order and just for the sake of it lets include in that scenario where the current president was NOT A.Yusuf or the UIC didnt exist and we still had the warlords.....
In that case many ppl would be rejecting Ethiopian troops just the same as suppose to Kenyan or Ugandan or Yemenian troops....dont you agree??? Just like the Warlords were against it....do you think that was Nationalism from their part??? I guess not...I see the UIC the same way now...and they are calling for Jihad not because they are patriotic but they are the just like the warlords this time wearing a Khamiis and using the religion card because it suits their real purpose...which to get POWER..
So this is not just about A.Yusuf or Geedi...its more about the hsotility felt by Somalis in general to anything Ethiopian or more correctly Amxaaro...
Maxaa Been la isgu sheegaa nimanyahoow.
One more Q?? why is that almost every Hawiye is supporting the IUC now(and 90% of wadaado are Hawiye anyways)....eventhough they were fighting them just few months ago?? a change of heart?? maybe but I doubt it...
when the long negotiations that took place in mbagathi finaly came to an end and abdullahi was elected as the president, i felt very happy and my heart was at ease for a while. not because abdullahi was darood but because like many somalis in the diaspora and back home awaiting for some form of gov or anything close to it had the chance of seeing one. i felt atleast we will have something in place called gov at last. i also felt the same way when in 2000 abdullkasim was elected in djibouti.
they (abdulqasim's and abdullahi's) all went the same way because the foundation of these gov were crooked, they were based on qabiil and corruption (corruption as in dishing out money to oponents in order to win the presidency i.e abdullahi's election in mbagathi). the dishing out of ministerial posts was also based on the same crooked method i.e qabiil, they forgot qabiil was and still is the main obstacle of establishing a viable government in somalia. there is no hope for A yusuf, he is a goner in my eyes.
contrast this to the wadads, they are winning the hearts of the people because the days of "he is my ina adeer and therefore deserves my sympathy and help" are long gone, they are uniting people with kalimatu laillahah ila lahu maxamada rasulullah. this is not to say they are islamasising the people since somalis in all the regions in somalia are muslims. but most people now believe and kno qabiil ain't taking them anywhere, it hasn't taken them anywhere in last 16 years, it wont take them anywhere in the future. How many alliances and counter alliances have we witnesssed in the last 16 years? how many a times have we seen these same allilances crumble in our very eyes only for another qabiil aliance to come and go in the same way??
I was told the other day, when kismayo was taken over by the wadads, the respeected elders from every tribe living in that region came over to the wadads and said to them " we thank you for removing the iligitimate warlords that have held us to ronsome for the last eight years but we request you to leave us and handover the running of the city to us"
the wadado's reply was " we ain't here for qabiil reasons and we're not gona hand over the running of this city to yous because your qabiils inhabit here, we have our own people whom we trust well and know they will run it without biasness or qabiil interest. the delegation of the wadads were led by two isaaq men from somaliland. imagine an elder from kismayo negotiating the running of his city with an isaaq sheikh from hargeysa or somehwre somaliland?? these is the reality in somalia. muse sudi's bed is currently occupied by a darood sheikh and he is running things in his former stronghold, sheikh sharif recnetly handed over the running of jowhara to amajeerten sheikh. offcourse these is all propaganda to you since in your eyes this is a habar gidir thing.
You may trust who you want and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. but my heart is with the ICU SXB, even if these wadads have qabiil agenda as you and many others put it, i believe their qabiil propaganda is miles better than their opponents. i will choose the lesser evil and sing praises fot the ones that accomodates everyone on their qabiil agenda than a habashi following president and a man who has developed the habit of giving a safe haven to the culprits that held mogadishu at gunpoint, the same culprits that have denied the basic rights of the residents of mogadishu for more than 15 years. abdullahi yusuf's gove is dominated and is based on these very people that have left many somalis homeless for many years. give me ones reason as to why i should be with them or support them apart from qabiil? and like garaad asked someone else on a diffrent thread, how will allegiance to my qabiil help me??
I see what your talking about and it makes sense to many ppl....BUT...
There is always that BUT...if the wadaado are the lesser eveil...then I am against them in full range...because a wadaad cannot be a qabilist or a part time qabilist....he is more or less God's spokesperson for the average faarax...but if on the other hand ...they are not based and function on qabil....which many of us are not convinced yet...because of some of their actions...then everyone who wants peace will accept them...
I Never said they are qabilists sxb, i said even if their agenda is based on qabiil as you guys say, they are miles better than their opponents in the qabiil propaganda.
I love Ethiopians. I eat Kifte in their restaurants. Their Injera gives me heartburn nowadays but I dont mind. I love the history of the place and I appreciate their ancient adherence to their mountain christianity.
But I am utterly against them coming to Somalia except as friends tourists and traders. The idea that they support one Somali side against another is just unaceptable to me. The very thought of Ethiopians shooting at Somalis annoys me in a way that a Somali shooting at another Somali doesnt. Irrational and and silly I know but there you go.These things dont always make logical sense.
I do know few Ethiopians here and most seem to be against Meles Zenawi and his regime. They dont like his policies of Wag The Dog to his domestic problems and are against Zenawi going to war in Somalia. I love to see the day the Horn of Africa united like the E.U, and wars fought over between these two nations while their public cant feed themselves put an end to it. The more the hostilities are elevated to a dangerous nationalistic level, the only loosers are the public of both nations who are a baskecase and rely on overseas charities for survival, while politicians yearn to achive for cohesion from such a destructive course. Hatred of each other benefits only politicians and not the public of both countries.
"I love to see the day the Horn of Africa united like the E.U,"
Mohawk
No fock them. I would rather join with the injirley Yemenis than injirley Ethiopians. Why cant the fockers leave us alone in our misery? We will sort out our chit in our own traditional way: Kill each other.
Somalia waa 100%muslims and Ethiopians are 60%muslims the only thing that can unite us is Islam. [qoute]
Galol [qoute]
Mohawk
No fock them. I would rather join with the injirley Yemenis than injirley Ethiopians. Why cant the fockers leave us alone in our misery? We will sort out our chit in our own traditional way: Kill each other.[qoute]
Neither the Somali people and nor Ethiopians will ever enjoy prosperity and become self sufficient as long as there are leaders who promote hatred on either side of their fences. A real Patriot should focus their attention on how make their countries and people relevant to the 22 century. They should establish their people can feed themselves, instead of buying weapons and spending on wars with their limited resources, and expecting foreign NGO's feed their people. Somalis and Ethiopians are both known to be a basket case for overseas aid. If the majority of Horn of Africans are Muslims, then it advantages Muslims in a Union with others in the Horn. We need peace and prosperity and not a cyclic war that only produces more suffering to the populations of both countries.
U have to beat her according to their custom so as to instill respect.
Another Afar custom: In order to marry, an Afar man must go kill an Issa and bring his xiinyo back as proof.
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Sorry this is bit late but I had to renew this post since I was gone over 2 weeks now. So, anywayz, I don't know if u guys will believe me Walahi oo bilahi my awoowe cut and Ethiopian man's xininyo and brought to her family since he wanted to marry. This was not in Djbouti but in Ethiopia. I still can't believe my awoowe did that
Oh yeah, I hate Ethiopians with all of my heart but Oromos and Eritreans are da bomb
[quote="Samatr"]I have no problems with Ethiopians. I have some Ethiopian friends they are nice people. I don't know where Somali hate for Ethiopians stems from, Ethiopians are not the reason why we are here in the west, Somalis just like to blame everyone else but themselves. Somalis are the ones who fukked up Somalia, the sooner we accept that, the sooner we will move forward.[/quote]
How could agree with what Iidoor samatr said about ethiopians being good people.Did you not know what they do to your people?YOu should be ashame wallahi.
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