the case of the phantom marehan state in bari

[sadeboi]

Now I don't really care for your tribal bickering, nor your personal grudges for one another. However, I will explain to you guys that if you are trying to have an academic debate follow a certain logic. I fail to see how the presentation of that document as a source is debunked without evidence from any other source. If you are willing to go as far as saying the author made a mistake, proof it with evidence. You guys are not challenging voltage you are challenging the author of the document and his sources, thus you would need historical sources of your own that would showcase why and how that author was wrong.

You also made the argument that the author mentioned the Marehan Sultanate at the location of the Majeertaan sultanate, you would need evidence or sources that place a Majeertaan sultanate in that area and thus raise a valid argument on the validity of Gabriel's statements.

Also, I was wondering have you read Gabriel's book/document? When he was explaining the Somali tribes locality was it in a present tense or a past tense? I am asking because you of the time line you choose which, as far as I know, is based on the lifetime of Gabriel and not on textual evidence.

[damu]

^^
are you trying to get more of us banned

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Detailed history of the Majerteen sultanates and timeline of the history of Northeastern Somalia starting in 1809 during the start of the reign of Sultan Mahmud the First. From: Atrocious Misery: The African Origins of Famine in Northern Somalia, 1839-1884.

The Marehan, erroneously referred to as being part of Harti, are described as living south of the Cumar Maxamud territories, as they still do today.

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[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Continued:

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[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Last Part:

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[Voltage]

That source you brought is using sources from as late as 1965 Paid. The book itself must have been written post-independence. I knew there was something wrong when it was spelled "Majeerteen" signifying avid Somali involvement in the text. Let's just say it is folklore translated into print using circumstantial evidence derived from corrupted sources and oral folklore.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Just because your recent ancestors were in the bush as late as the 1950s doesn't mean the rest of Somali society was there with you - some people mastered the art of economies and geography quite a while back. This can also explain the disparity between different Somali communities on all mediums.

[Voltage]

How does that negate the fact the source tried to sell as from the 1800's is actually written post-1960?

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

I have no idea how the date of transmission of this compilation text affects the situation.

If you read the footnotes you'd realize that much of the information dates back further. One of the sources in the footnote of the first page I posted, in relation to Majerteen-Bombay trade, uses Transactions of the Bombay Geographical Society as a source, which is a collection of journals dated between the mid to late 1800s. Clearly, sources in Bombay acknowledged their Horn counterparts. This book I pasted from might've been written recently but its sources are detailed in the footnote of every page, and the dates of the sources vary greatly - however, the underlying reality of Majerteen working society is there. Even beyond scholastic sources, its well-known in Somali society that Majerteen have always been active in the trading front - but you've always been known to project your insecurity on us so I'm sure you already knew these facts.

[CoolPoisons]

Walle voltage caadi ma ahan

keeping dhabyacos in check

[FBISOMALIA]

Walle voltage caadi ma ahan

keeping dhabyacos in check

why would southern want to be part of PL history

[Murax]

FBISOMALIA,

I know right?