SOMALIA at cross roads [secret video]

[DropkickMurphy]

really? ali baba got tired from selling somalis coast to foreign exploiters?

Do you have any evidence that he sold Somalia's coast to foreign exploiters?

[Addoow]

I cringe everytime i see MSB(AUN) and Aideed(AUN) in the same sentence.It is Just me or Are there other people like me who feel the same?
Both of them had their bad sides in history like killing innocent civilians and being power addicted monsters laakin,can you name any single positive achievement of Aideed except death and war? Did he even build a school in baraxleey? joking.

While the dictator was doing everything to hold on to power,the somalia status Qua was in good shape.

[Voltage]

Melo, the Sheikhs you say make takfiir on Barre also make takfiir on Caydiid. Your hero Hassan Dahir Aweys was a disciple of Boqolsoon and also fought against Caydiid in the civil war obviously meaning he shared the views of the Sheikh who was above him and whose sermon I posted where he makes takfiir on Caydiid and his followers like you. I find it funny you choose to call Siad Barre an "apostate" while explicitly calling Aideed a "dead Muslim" although according to the Sheikhs you claim for your Siad gaalayso, I posted an actual audio from those Sheikhs labeling Aydiid a gaal and his followers such as you as one too.

So which is it?

Addoow, you have never shown yourself to be pro-Siyaad but your daacadnimo and objectivity is something to admire. It makes every decent Somali cringe wallahi.

[ciyaal_warta]

Waa sheekada Shariif & Aways kala haysata maanta.

mahdi = shariif.
caydiid (aun) = aways.

true soomaaliya same ruwaayad baa ka socota different actors wallaah

Caydiid= Sh Aweys?

Someone in muqdishu, cabdiwahab has had a heart attack

AW baa 3 biyaano hotel iska soo tuuray baa la maqlayaa

[melo]

ali baba's treachery is known. i am amazed you havent come across this before.

addow: they both were very terrible men in the later years of prominence, but as a claimant to the salafi jihaadi movement, then you know very well that MSB's statements about inheritance were straight out kufr? And there is no proof he ever repented from his actions. how then can you, a salafi jihaadi say AUN?

Your hero Hassan Dahir Aweys was a disciple of Boqolsoon

Im not sure if you are serious or not voltage at this stage walahi.

[ciyaal_warta]

So Aideed was not the President? Ok than why did this Ismaciil Jumcaale guy not become President and why did Aideed refuse going to Djibouti? Maybe he would have been elected.

the guy was at roma not on the grounds fighting plus aideed did coup on him i guess

[Voltage]

You are ignoring my question but you can't ignore God. The same Sheikhs you claim made takfir on both, and I have provided evidence for the one against Caydiid, yet in your mind your tribal warlord is a "dead Muslim" and the one who isn't from your tribe is an "apostate". Munaafaqnimadaas Alle baa kaa goyn doono.

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh_Max ... aalada.ram

[melo]

You are ignoring my question but you can't ignore God. The same Sheikhs you clan made takfir on both, and I have provided evidence for the one against Caydiid, yet in your mind your tribal warlord is a "dead Muslim" and the one who isn't from your tribe is a "apostate". Munaafaqnimadaas Alle baa kaa goyn doono.

You keep on embarrassing yourself.. the only sheikh i've ever quoted who said MSB was a kaafir, was Sheikh Kiskh in egypt. And i didn't even get that quote, it was one of isaaq members on this forum that discovered this. I have inferred that Boqolsoon probably thought MSB was a murtad, but never said so he really dod.


It is not my problem that you lack basic knowledge of Islamic history. There have been far worse criminals and murderers than Caydiid. Yaziid and Al hajjaj being 2 of them. Majority of scholars abstain from saying they are apostates, concluding that they were evil and sinful men.

However, there is Ijmaac that someone who belies the hukm of allah, favouring his own understanding of justice above God's own justice. This is where the sanam lies.

Wallahi, i challenge you, seeing as how you claim to know Umal. We'll send him emails, and i guarentee you will shamed in front of this forum. Ask alchemist on this matter.. oh wait, he is another qabiilist. I forgot

[TheSultaan]

The problem with Most Somalis they cannot give an honest opinion on things based on facts and reality on the ground People will accuse General Caydiid of being a power hungry warlord who didn't do anything good constructive in his life time, whilst at the same time another General msb will be Compared to the Angles of Allah.People need to move and grow up and talk rationally and observe things from different angles..

King of awdal the usc was formed and created by a group of Hawiye elites in roma in begin 1989 Caydiid was just the most skillful general but was not one of the founders of USC, the united Somali congress.

[melo]

Voltage, can you also give us references on how Sh aweys was boqolsoon's disciple? I'm dying to know


I'm actually very interested. Shible and aweys sitting down, while Sh Boqolsoon gives them dars. Very interesting

[Voltage]

If you ever wanted to see what a fish starved for water is, look at Melo. Melo, I never called Siad or Caydid kaffirs. I have also never heard of any well known Sheikh making takfiir on any Somali leader except Boqolsoon on Caydiid.

This means you either no care for Boqolsoon and his opinion is without merit in your opinion or you are a hypocrite for very clearly ignoring the fact we have evidence right here of the foremost Sheikh to have come from the Somali people in the last century labeling Aydeed and his followers such as you of having committed "kufr"

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh_Max ... aalada.ram

[King-of-Awdal]

So Aideed was not the President? Ok than why did this Ismaciil Jumcaale guy not become President and why did Aideed refuse going to Djibouti? Maybe he would have been elected.

the guy was at roma not on the grounds fighting plus aideed did coup on him i guess

And in return Ali Mahdi did a Coup on Him?

[BlackVelvet]

So Aideed was not the President? Ok than why did this Ismaciil Jumcaale guy not become President and why did Aideed refuse going to Djibouti? Maybe he would have been elected.

the guy was at roma not on the grounds fighting plus aideed did coup on him i guess

And in return Ali Mahdi did a Coup on Him?

And the cycle continues

I wonder if there has ever been a leader who came to power through a coup and managed to govern peacefully and step down respectfully? Seems like a case of live by the gun, die by the gun.

[melo]

If you ever wanted to see what a fish starved for water is, look at Melo. Melo, I never called Siad or Caydid kaffirs. I have also never heard of any well known Sheikh making takfiir on any Somali leader except Boqolsoon on Caydiid.

This means you either no care for Boqolsoon and his opinion is without merit in your opinion or you are a hypocrite for very clearly ignoring the fact we have evidence right here of the foremost Sheikh to have come from the Somali people in the last century labeling Aydeed and his followers such as you of having committed "kufr"

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh_Max ... aalada.ram

Look at this stage, you, union and murax's lies against me have been utterly smashed. My statements on caydiid aun are known. I believe he was absolute justified in removing the sanam from power, but then the lust of power got the better of him, which resulted in the destruction of the country and his eventual death. He died as a evil man, and will be remember as that. I have said this many times. Call AW in here, and ask him if im an caydiid loyalist lol. Its just that, compared to an apostate, the late general was an angel.

Now i am waiting for you, to even speak a word against the sanam. But you won't. Despicable.

You going to cry to the moderators to ban me now?


By the way voltage, walahi im interested. Boqolsoon was Aweys teacher? Link me up walaal..

[Voltage]

I don't care what you thought about his fight. You just called him a "dead Muslim" while calling Siad an "apostate" yet in this very last sermon of Boqolsoon, the Sheikhs you claim to follow and respect made takfiir on Caydiid and his supporters and labeled them as having committed "kufr". This means, according to the Sheikhs you claim to follow, he died in apostasy and for you to call him a "dead Muslim" is invalid according to the same reasons you call Siad an "apostate". How hard is it to understand this simple premise.

The choice is you either simply have no regard for the Sheikhs you claim to follow and are picking and choosing what fatwa you want based on tribal political reasons or you also agree that man died in apostasy and you cannot call him a "dead Muslim". Simple as that.

http://www.addacwah.com/Muxadaro/Sh_Max ... aalada.ram