Muslims for Progressive Values

[Beenaale_No1]

Homosexuality isnt something people choose. It is with them from a very early age. And it is mostly because of Feminist eviroment or upringing without a real father or a man in their life as they grow up. Nobody forces themselves to be gay, there are even many who hide it for fear of beign outcast in their families or being seen as unislamic, thus they force themselves to be the best muslim in the mosque etc etc. But they will always have those gay feelings.

With that said. i do not support Homosexuality in Somalia. Im pretty radical in many things (IF) it is beneficial for Society. But homosexuality isnt.

However the other aspects Union mention i support 100%. These backward losers who are talking shit like abdisamad are two faced bitches. Somalis only know 2 things Islam & Qabil.

The best shiekh in the Somali Mosque is either Qabilist, or is active in some way in Qabil activities.

There was a somali sheikh who led a Somali Mosque in my old hometown, he was doing the 5 salats in theMosque. The guy was from Waqooyi like me. He was a fierce Somaliland supporter, yet a well known shiekh aroudn Sweden because he also went on Tabliq travels.

He hated reunification with southerners even when they are muslim & Somali like him. Yet he had the f-king audacity to preach about Palestine &Iraq & Afghanistan under occupation of Gaalo. Just because hes fellow arab shieks were sitting next to him.

The older Somali generation are failures,lowlive scum who carry the mentality of a sheep with an arab herder. They dont know jack shit, they only know Hebel iyo hebel, but they fail at Education,Assimilation,Community building and every f-king other important aspect of what it means to be PRODUCTIVE & USEFUL.

Whenever they want to sway youth from drugs, they talk about prophets or a quran verse, like the children will f-king identify with a quran verse when they are killing eachother on the street,chewing khat, doing drugs.

Asomali shiekh will preach in the friday prayer about Gaalo this and gaalo that and at the end of the Month he will ask you to help him translate for him so that he can get his welfare money from the social office.

Fuck these losers that are against Reform,Secularism,development. They are bunch of backward qabil infested losers that want to dictate the broad minded younger generation. They have failed & they are now trying to take you down with them.

I end my rant now, before i f-king burst a bicep.

I have never agreed 100% with you, but I do this time. Especially the bolded part.

[UlteriorMotive]

Wallahi I'm not one to accuse people of apostasy easily because that's precisely what I don't like about the likes of al-shabab. However, some of you just need to come out and stop using the 'let me use wahhabism as a code for islam' strategy.

First of all, Islam is a truth for all the ages. The thing about truth is it doesn't change. It's a fact. The fact that you want to change the core beliefs of islam to fit in with the currently dominant western way of thinking indicates you don't think it is truth. That is on you. But wtf is a progressive muslim and why do you feel the need to jump on this bandwagon.

Secondly, morality in the west is relative and is always changing. If homosexuality becomes unpopular again would you insert that in your little charter? How does is feel to have your morals dictated to you by the west?

calaa kuli xaal do what you want but it is a shame how some of you continually attack islam.

[union]

LOL @ human rights being considered an evil western innovation. Only on SomaliNet....

[union]

Personally I have been convinced that homosexuality is not something voluntary. Everyday you read on the news how some gay kid who has been endlessly taunted and tortured killed themselves. How can that be voluntary? Was it all some sort of act all the way to their own immature death? I still have a lingering bigotry against them myself because I don’t fully support their right to be married because I view marriage to be a human institution designed to encourage procreation and in principle homosexuals cannot procreate and I don’t think it’s right for a child to go without a mom, but I do support their right to be in their own domestic relationships and to be protected from hate like other minority groups. Morally I cannot agree that they should be persecuted for who they are, that’s not right.

It's clearly nuture not nature.

Give me a scientific proof that says people are born Gay... there aren't any.

And if you are a believer... how could you believe Allah would create people inherently gay?

Well, it seems like you’ve already made up your mind and there is no amount of evidence scientific or otherwise that will change it. You don’t even accept evolution, which is a basic fundamental guiding principal of science so you clearly don’t have much respect nor confidence in the field. As for your question, I do not know why God created some people gay and I do not presume to know his intentions. Why did he create some people with down syndrome? I don’t know.

[FAH1223]

the premise of my question was along the lines of having people born into sin which is 100% against our religion

human rights are islamic values but accepting stuff like homosexuality and secualrism above our religion is ludicrous

[UlteriorMotive]

My friend, the concept of human rights grew out of a set of circumstances peculiar to Europe, namely WWII. After the atrocities of WWII they made the universal declaration of human rights on which all other human rights documents are based. The rights included in them were in response to the times and only after some bargaining as to what to include. Because they had beef with the Soviets they excluded rights which the soviets and the third world puts emphasis on.

The rights you enjoy now although good are the result of what the allied powers felt fit for you to have. Again how does it feel to have the west think for you?

[union]

the premise of my question was along the lines of having people born into sin which is 100% against our religion

human rights are islamic values but accepting stuff like homosexuality and secualrism above our religion is ludicrous

It's generally understood that Islam prohibits homosexual sex which is proven to be a public health hazard. The AIDS epidemic of the 80s was largely caused by gay males engaging in unprotected sex with one another. Such a prohibition would make sense. I don’t think the condition of having an attraction to another male in of itself is a sin, because Islam doesn’t make thought a sin unless you act upon it.

[union]

My friend, the concept of human rights grew out of a set of circumstances peculiar to Europe, namely WWII. After the atrocities of WWII they made the universal declaration of human rights on which all other human rights documents are based. The rights included in them were in response to the times and only after some bargaining as to what to include. Because they had beef with the Soviets they excluded rights which the soviets and the third world puts emphasis on.

The rights you enjoy now although good are the result of what the allied powers felt fit for you to have. Again how does it feel to have the west think for you?

Wait…. You were serious? You genuinely believe the concept of human rights was dreamed up after WWII in order to control the minds of people?

[TheblueNwhite]

Pastor Osteen on Homosexuality

I dont believe that God will create you against something he tells you not to be

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video?id=8995468

[union]

Pastor Osteen on Homosexuality

I dont believe that God will create you against something he tells you not to be

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video?id=8995468

How about children born to non-believing parents? Like a child born to radical Zionist settlers....

[Coeus]

My friend, the concept of human rights grew out of a set of circumstances peculiar to Europe, namely WWII. After the atrocities of WWII they made the universal declaration of human rights on which all other human rights documents are based. The rights included in them were in response to the times and only after some bargaining as to what to include. Because they had beef with the Soviets they excluded rights which the soviets and the third world puts emphasis on.

The rights you enjoy now although good are the result of what the allied powers felt fit for you to have. Again how does it feel to have the west think for you?

Wait…. You were serious? You genuinely believe the concept of human rights was dreamed up after WWII in order to control the minds of people?

[accident]

My friend, the concept of human rights grew out of a set of circumstances peculiar to Europe, namely WWII. After the atrocities of WWII they made the universal declaration of human rights on which all other human rights documents are based. The rights included in them were in response to the times and only after some bargaining as to what to include. Because they had beef with the Soviets they excluded rights which the soviets and the third world puts emphasis on.

The rights you enjoy now although good are the result of what the allied powers felt fit for you to have. Again how does it feel to have the west think for you?

Wait…. You were serious? You genuinely believe the concept of human rights was dreamed up after WWII in order to control the minds of people?

[Voltage]

I am a believer in progressive values. I don't know why Somalis become pretentious and try to beat each other in terms of who could seem the most "conservative" or unreasonable when it comes to any issue not concerning them but if we must look at it, ALL the freedoms we enjoy in Western society from the right to worship our faith, the right of our mothers to cover their heads, the right to be equal under the law even though we are racial minorities, the right to speak, and vote, and lobby, etc all stem from progressive movements. Just as some of you say you spit on the ground when you see homosexuals on the street, so too are there people who spit on the ground and are livid throughout the day on seeing your black skin in their neighborhood or your Muslim identity in their towns. The value in progressive movement is that neither you have anything to do about the right of individual to be who they are and nor do they have anything to do with your own right to be who you are. Let's not try to paint progressive values in negative light now as it stands in our Western homes because abolition of slavery was considered the most radical idea at one point, and progressive fighters took it on. Civil rights for ethnic minorities was considered the most radical of ideas at one point and progressive fighters took it on. The right of us to sit in the same classroom as whites was considered the most radical of ideas and progressive fighters took it on. And now most progressive activisim is towards economic justice and even if they would go and champion homosexuality and abortion, what is it to you? Let live and live life. The limits to freedoms in these societies doesn't stop at your doorstep, rather it will move beyond you as swiftly as it came to you.

Still, I think a distinction has to be made between a secular Western society and a faith like Islam. Islam is a complete way of life and you are either a subscriber to it or a detractor of it. You cannot try to mold it to whatever whims and desires you have. Islam grants many rights to humanity and it is true oftentimes individuals have abused the name of the faith for political humanly purposes much as the same as the papal clergy had done in medieval Europe but let's not abuse the nature of the faith by likening it to clay molding it however suits us.

[UlteriorMotive]

Union yes I'm serious. Ever human rights document in the world from the european convention to the african charter is based on the universal declaration on human rights. This declaration was made in 1948 in response to WWII. What's so funny about that?

Perhaps you can enlighten me and your two cheerleaders as I'm sure they don't quite know why they're laughing.

[union]

Union yes I'm serious. Ever human rights document in the world from the european convention to the african charter is based on the universal declaration on human rights. This declaration was made in 1948 in response to WWII. What's so funny about that?

Perhaps you can enlighten me and your two cheerleaders as I'm sure they don't quite know why they're laughing.

So there was no concept of human rights before 1948? The absurdity of your belief is what drove people to laughter.