5 reasons why I support for secession from the Union

[gurey25]

abdi you should understand that we will never be ruled from moqadishu again.
never..
it would be over our dead bodies.

once you understand this, and have no illusions about reality we can move on

Okay abti. So the others who want to be Union will be supported in their quest.

This is your perogative.
I am just telling you how it is.

[gurey25]

My premise is this.
1. GeoPolitical conditions continue to not look favorable to independence.
2. Focus on the south by the IC
3. Political pressure to have talks from IC
4. A reemergence of Somalia from post-civil war era

The youth are the biggest losers in any bad outcome and stagnation.

1. GeoPolitical conditions continue to not look favorable to independence.

no opposition from europe, US and other neutral countries.
opposition from extremely partisan groups like egypt and Italy gone and they have reverted to a neutral position.
other extreme anti -somaliland groups, yemen, north sudan, libya and yemen have internal issues and will not get involved.
Saudia follows egypts lead.
Geopolitical outlook is the best that its been.



2. Focus on the south by the IC
the south is a problem, focus will always be on problem areas.


3. Political pressure to have talks from IC
the pressue is on the south that does not want to talk and had a fanatsy that they could drag this issue on for years.
Somaliland policy since 1991 has been talks with a responsible government with international mediation.
These talks are somalilands agenda and you are being forced into it, not us. and they were decided at the whitehall and the state department in 2007.

4. A reemergence of Somalia from post-civil war era
This is positive towards our goals, a functioning somalia cannot threaten us in any way, and will lead to negotiations.

[SultanOrder]

Gurey, how things are now is little indication of how things will be. Remember that the Post-civil war government, the first Permenant Government of Somalia was just born, it still hasn't even made it's ministers and ministrys. Somalia hasn't even had a chance to glance at you, and frankly it doesn't want to, other than lip service. The leaders in Somalia under no condition desire to let Somaliland go it's on way. There won't be any power able to move us to sign you away and if there is power able to move you to sign back in, what is the solution? The stronger will win, diplomatically, militarily, politically, etc.

[eliteSomali]

sxb aqoonsiga ma somalidaad waydiisan? War somalia iyadaaba rafaadsan. Maanta tabar ay go'aan noocaas ah ku gooyso ma haysato. With that said, your recognition lies with the international community. Achieve that and you are a country. cid idin haysato ma jirto.

[The_Emperior5]

Gurey, how things are now is little indication of how things will be. Remember that the Post-civil war government, the first Permenant Government of Somalia was just born, it still hasn't even made it's ministers and ministrys. Somalia hasn't even had a chance to glance at you, and frankly it doesn't want to, other than lip service. The leaders in Somalia under no condition desire to let Somaliland go it's on way. There won't be any power able to move us to sign you away and if there is power able to move you to sign back in, what is the solution? The stronger will win, diplomatically, militarily, politically, etc.

You are really are taking this permanent government serious as if they have actual power its a government still on life support still
with out the Ugandans Burundians Ethiopians and Kenyans it cant survive a day i tell you a day.

Somalia will never ever be in a better situation than Somaliland when its negotiating in the next talks

Somalia is a country that barely functions as a country let alone a government
It has no territorial control over its territory
It has no army police or governmental institutions
Somalia introduced qabiil federalism there will be new fiefdoms more autonomous states their influence will soon not be beyond Mogadishu and Garbaharay

Somaliland and Somalia will talk and the two must agree on Something now Somalia is the most easiest because they already didn't had Somaliland so they wont lose anything it will be just official . The talks will be between the two sides and Somalia was most of the time against these talks somaliland welcomed it and embraced it as long as we hold the talks some where outside Somaliland and Somalia ,, and there is international mediation from the ic. I am hearing the next talks will be held in Africa Kenya south sudan or Ethiopia one of these 3 countries

[gurey25]

Gurey, how things are now is little indication of how things will be. Remember that the Post-civil war government, the first Permenant Government of Somalia was just born, it still hasn't even made it's ministers and ministrys. Somalia hasn't even had a chance to glance at you, and frankly it doesn't want to, other than lip service. The leaders in Somalia under no condition desire to let Somaliland go it's on way. There won't be any power able to move us to sign you away and if there is power able to move you to sign back in, what is the solution? The stronger will win, diplomatically, militarily, politically, etc.

Somalia hasn't even had a chance to glance at you, and frankly it doesn't want to, other than lip service.

somalia is not soveriegn its a international project, and it has no choice.
these talks are ours, we pushed for it, and the international community your masters have come on board and will push you to sign a deal.
there will be several proposals but in the end we will be recognized.

The stronger will win, diplomatically, militarily, politically,

somalia will not be achieving the level of unity and cohesivness and stability that we have for years at least.
and diplomatically being recognized will not help because you do not control your own capital city.
and millitarily? you will not have a functioning millitary for years and will not have the ability to threaten us for at least a decade of growth and billion dollars in aid

[Hyperactive]

1- Because we can! and it's our right.
2-Better off this way better that we break....I hate parasitic
3- without recognition we created all the basic institutions
4- I can't stand fake people. In this case when I see heavily accented geeljire like Voltage and Abdiwahab252 who acts they were born and bred in Banaadir
5- You can fool me once but not twice(Somalinimada samada ula baxa)


Le justice
rw

i approve this message. ader dont fake nothing. dadkan marki beenta laku qabto wahey la so baado i was messing around. if somaliland have little asense would never unite with somalia. qalad yo an lo dawanin ba jira and uniting with somalia one of them.


nin wadaninimo meshan ko haya ma jiro,. nin walba ke rerkiisa o sa3binaya. ya wadani nimo iyo somalinimo laku siri. they are wadani as long their tribe gets what they want and hell to rest. somali wa saa ila gofki Allah ka baqayo.

ya la idin sirin , fake wadani nimo.

if it's up to me, i would say puntland iska goosta, koley southern wahba idinku so kordin mahayan. ayagiba ba is 3onaya.

[TheblueNwhite]

Frankly my dear, I just don't care. Now, lets get the after party started. Who's with me.

[KimJongIllest]

Since the SNM came to power in the north, three groups have emerged in opposition to the SNM in Somaliland. Two, the United Somali Front (USF) and the Somali Democratic Association (SDA), are in the northwestern border of Somalia. The USF borders on Djibouti (the USF is predominantly Issa, a group which straddles the border with Djibouti). The SDA is comprised primarily of Gadabursi, a group which the SNM attacked for its alleged collaboration with the Siad Barre government against the SNM before 1991.[55] Both the SDA and the USF participated in the Djibouti talks in July 1991, and the SDA rejects secession as a purely SNM initiative

The SDA (Gadabursi) and the USF (Issa) are both from the northeastern region of Somaliland. Both called for retention of a unified Somalia, a position which the USC endorses but does not have the military capacity to enforce.

Where are the Gadabursi on Somalinet that support Sland? Where are the Warsangeli on here that support Sland? Where are the Dhulbahante on here that support Sland? Where are the Isa from Seylac and area on here that support Sland?

One must ask the question: Why does Somaliland claim areas that fought against secession? Because of colonial borders. They know there is no way in hell they can be given any recognition with only Isaaq lands. The international community will regard it as a one clan state. They only way is getting it through British Somaliland borders.

How do supposedly the most patriotic and Somaliweyn clans, Gadabursi, Isa and Dhulbahante, how do they out of no where support secession just like that?

The reason why you don't see people in some areas of Somaliland demonstrating in their thousands is because the Somaliland govt has made it illegal for anyone to voice their opinion favoring Somalia. You are thrown in jail and silenced. They beat you up and torture you in the dungeons. This is not disputed. The Somaliland govt even throws clan leaders and Somalia MPs from the waqooyi in jail and torture them with only 1 meal a day. No one can lie about this. This happens all the time.

This is the message for you Siilanyo: Let go of the areas that fought against secession. And we will tell the international community to give you guys the one clan state that you so desired.

But continue this retarded policy and you will not receive any support. There will be no understanding on our part. You scream for respect but you occupy the lands of the same people that fought against your forced secession? Why should anyone give you respect when you don't give it yourself?

[AgentOfChaos]

Frankly my dear, I just don't care. Now, lets get the after party started. Who's with me.

[herndonhomer]

1 reason why secession will never happen.

1. if the UN recognizes one clan/tribe-based state then they will have to recognize them all.

[Meyle]

i consider my self a man from the isxaaq tribal family from the Somaliland nationality who speaks the Somali language thats how it is.

You can't prove for a fact that you're the descendant of Sheekh Isxaaq nor can I disprove your claims, however one thing is clear.. You suffer from inferiority complex because why else would you feel the need to disconnect yourself from your Somali brothers and sisters.

Can you proof that you are descendant from you're 3rd grandfather ?

I am very proud of my heritage my tribe my history my country my flag my ancestors and all of that

But i don't consider people from Somalia my brothers

The same way i dont consider people from tanzania my brothers



other than fellow Africans and in religion but thats about it

How is that inferiority complex

I can prove that my 3rd grandfather existed because there are people that have met him that are still alive when it comes to Sheekh Isxaaq thats another story.


Somali people no matter clan affiliation are my people, it doesn't matter where they live.


Its inferiority complex because you can't simply hate them for being enemies because I have pointed out that it was the regime not the people.. You seem to hate them because of dhibaatooyinka heysta and you don't want to be associated with them.

[Meyle]

Its not about Ethnolinguistic its about that the all the different groups in Africa are all separated differently

These groups are divided into linguistic groups first but then they're divided into ethnic groups. For instance Oromos and Berbers are yellow marked just like Somalis but they do not speak Somali nor belong to the the same ethnic groups as Somalis.

[udun]

I wonder why SLers bring in this topics whenever Somalia gets some form of government. Do they really worry about what future holds for them?

For the rest of Somalia, they need to create a stable and representative government. When that is accomplished, they need to do 2 things:

1. Provide funding to all of the groups who are opposed to a secession in the North, and the whole SL being a separate country will be a history.
2. Never pay attention to the calls of discussion between SL and Somalia from the UK and Ethiopian governments. These two countries have always looked after the whole secessionist project from behind the scene; beware of this entrapment.

Right now the focus should be stabilizing South and Central Somalia.

[union]

There's no reason for anybody in the world to recognize somaliland. Declare independence all you want, your decelerations are as worthless as that currency of yours!

LOL