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Isxaaqs and Dirs are from the same, Isxaaqs and Daroods are just trying to act like they some Arabs, please go to your Arab masters they will call you a slave. Anyways we are all Somalis, we have one of the best histories in Africa and were worldwide respected and our neighbours feared us. Now? Even jareer niggas like Kenya is coming to our land when 150 years ago we almost eradicated these Kikuyu bastards. We need to come together or we will face extinction, easy as. First mission is to send all jareers back to Tanzania, Uganda Kenya or whatever fuckhole they came from.

PharaohLiban wrote:Isxaaqs and Dirs are from the same, Isxaaqs and Daroods are just trying to act like they some Arabs, please go to your Arab masters they will call you a slave. Anyways we are all Somalis, we have one of the best histories in Africa and were worldwide respected and our neighbours feared us. Now? Even jareer niggas like Kenya is coming to our land when 150 years ago we almost eradicated these Kikuyu bastards. We need to come together or we will face extinction, easy as. First mission is to send all jareers back to Tanzania, Uganda Kenya or whatever fuckhole they came from.

Indeed

We Somalis are being terrorized by these foreign bastards, and now we face the possibility of a permanent extinction....while the rest of these low-IQ Somalis are fighting amongst each other over Qabiil politics SMH. There is no difference between an Isaaq or Hawiye or Darood, yet we have these Somalis fighting each other while we have 20 000 Bantu mercenaries occupying our land and introducing their foreign DNA into our country.

samaalenoble wrote:What a f***tard. Let's finally get to the kadab angling and outright lying that you ever so want to run from.

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You deviously took out "genocide" and inserted "war". I then told you a 14 year war event with 15th century firearms isn't a "population bottleneck". It is a population decline.

Easy there tough guy... don't go having an aneurysm on me now.

I'm well aware of what a population bottleneck is, thanks. And yes, it certainly does include wars like the Futuh al-Habash:

Genetically speaking, a population bottleneck is a phenomenon in which a notable proportion of a population dies leaving only a small part of the population left. The bottleneck occurs e.g. due to starvation, epidemic or war. Only the surviving individuals will pass their genes to the next generations, thereby reducing the amount of genetic variability. A narrow, long-lasting bottleneck has a major impact on gene pool, which might still be recognized (in the absence of immigration) even dozens of generations later.The Finnish disease heritage has for long been explained to be due population bottleneck(s).

Anger management ftw.

samaalenoble wrote:You can't steal their history. You can't steal their history with archeology. And you most certainly can't steal it with science.

I'm not sure what you're on about. The Futuh al-Habash (the actual chronicle of the conquest of Abyssinia) enumerates all of the Somali clans that actually took part in the war. They include the Harti, Ogaden, Dir, Yibir, Madhiban and Garre, among others, as well as some now vanished Somali groups such as the Jairan and Mazra.

samaalenoble wrote:Haplogroup T wasn't the smaller population in the Adal Sultanate Wars, E1b1b was, but you obviously already knew that.

Why do you assume that haplogroup T bearers were more numerous during the Futuh? Simply because Dir played a part in the battles? If so, you should know that many other clans did as well. The actual chronicle of the conquest of Abyssinia makes this clear (see above). It is therefore certainly not a forgone conclusion that E1b1b carriers were less numerous then in the Adal Sultanate area.

Another thing, Trombetta et al. (2015) found that 50% of Somalis in Ethiopia (who, as you know, are mostly Ogaden) were E1b1b carriers. We can assume that the remaining 50% were mainly haplogroup T carriers. The notion that the T clade is or was mainly restricted to the Dir is thus not a given either.

samaalenoble wrote:Anyhow, Somalis need to realize that they must not use their intelligence and wit on each other but on their true enemies: Habeshas, Oromos, Bantus and so on and so forth.

Yes, we should focus on our true enemies. However, this has to be done on a case by case, individual basis.

By the way sxb, I don't consider you an "enemy". More like a perpetually irate little brother. In future, try not to take things so personally. You'll lead a more fun life that way.

samaalenoble wrote:
The Northern Dir (with a good sum of the Isaaq) are the highest Haplogroup T carriers. They still live, prosper, and reproduce today, in that very region where the Adal Sultanate reigned. These Somalis, have the exact same sexual reproductive behaviors of any other real Somali who want a "laandeer". The Northern Dir faced a "population decline" during and after the Adal Sultanate wars and collapse.

You can't steal their history. You can't steal their history with archeology. And you most certainly can't steal it with science.

They already tried in the previous regime and I see they are still trying too.

Well said, tell them camarade!

Bilis wrote:

samaalenoble wrote:What a f***tard. Let's finally get to the kadab angling and outright lying that you ever so want to run from.

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You deviously took out "genocide" and inserted "war". I then told you a 14 year war event with 15th century firearms isn't a "population bottleneck". It is a population decline.

Easy there tough guy... don't go having an aneurysm on me now.

I'm well aware of what a population bottleneck is, thanks. And yes, it certainly does include wars like the Futuh al-Habash:

Genetically speaking, a population bottleneck is a phenomenon in which a notable proportion of a population dies leaving only a small part of the population left. The bottleneck occurs e.g. due to starvation, epidemic or war. Only the surviving individuals will pass their genes to the next generations, thereby reducing the amount of genetic variability. A narrow, long-lasting bottleneck has a major impact on gene pool, which might still be recognized (in the absence of immigration) even dozens of generations later.The Finnish disease heritage has for long been explained to be due population bottleneck(s).

Anger management ftw.

samaalenoble wrote:You can't steal their history. You can't steal their history with archeology. And you most certainly can't steal it with science.

I'm not sure what you're on about. The Futuh al-Habash (the actual chronicle of the conquest of Abyssinia) enumerates all of the Somali clans that actually took part in the war. They include the Harti, Ogaden, Dir, Yibir, Madhiban and Garre, among others, as well as some now vanished Somali groups such as the Jairan and Mazra.

samaalenoble wrote:Haplogroup T wasn't the smaller population in the Adal Sultanate Wars, E1b1b was, but you obviously already knew that.

Why do you assume that haplogroup T bearers were more numerous during the Futuh? Simply because Dir played a part in the battles? If so, you should know that many other clans did as well. The actual chronicle of the conquest of Abyssinia makes this clear (see above). It is therefore certainly not a forgone conclusion that E1b1b carriers were less numerous then in the Adal Sultanate area.

Another thing, Trombetta et al. (2015) found that 50% of Somalis in Ethiopia (who, as you know, are mostly Ogaden) were E1b1b carriers. We can assume that the remaining 50% were mainly haplogroup T carriers. The notion that the T clade is or was mainly restricted to the Dir is thus not a given either.

samaalenoble wrote:Anyhow, Somalis need to realize that they must not use their intelligence and wit on each other but on their true enemies: Habeshas, Oromos, Bantus and so on and so forth.

Yes, we should focus on our true enemies. However, this has to be done on a case by case, individual basis.

By the way sxb, I don't consider you an "enemy". More like a perpetually irate little brother. In future, try not to take things so personally. You'll lead a more fun life that way.

@50% of Somali in ethiopia are Ogaden!

I get a whiff of Haplogroup-ism qabyaaladeysan from your tone.

A perfect example of what I knew Faraxs will do with the abtiris DNA and habar Haplogroup.

Ma anaa garan geelu doofaar laayay. Lol
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RoobleAlWaliid wrote: They already tried in the previous regime and I see they are still trying too.

Well said, tell them camarade!

Who is "they"? You do realize that most of Adal's forces during the Futuh were from Darod clans, right?

"It may be said in passing, however, that although Somali clans — principally the Habar Magadle Isaaq, the Harti Daarood, and the Mareehaan — played a strong role in Gran's conquest of Abyssinia, these clans went to war not so much as Somalis but as Muslims."

Are you by any chance Habar Magadle? No? Then by your own logic, you are "stealing" their history.

Say no to passive-aggressive nonsense.

jalaaludin5 wrote:@50% of Somali in ethiopia are Ogaden!

I didn't say that; look again.

jalaaludin5 wrote:I get a whiff of Haplogroup-ism qabyaaladeysan from your tone.

A perfect example of what I knew Faraxs will do with the abtiris DNA and habar Haplogroup.

Ma anaa garan geelu doofaar laayay. Lol

That's not my link either ninyahow.

Billis, you seem to be well versed in this subject but downplaying Dir's presence in the region makes me wonder about your sincerity and motive. I am no history buff nor a geneticist but the snippets I read about, and of, Futuh does not mention Herti or Ogadayn. Care to share with us a screenshot of the actual page it mentions these two groups? In fact, the only Darod clan it mentions that I am aware of is Merehan, and the impact they had with respect to the war was minimal.

Your belief that Haplogroup E1b1b-V32 had significant presence in the region does not lend itself to reconcile with science, history or anthropology. The population of the north then, as now, was and still is predominantly Dir. Henceforth, one can make statistical supposition of Haplogroup T presence and dominance in the northern region then as now.

Culturally and linguistically we are monolithic though our genes have two separate Y-DNA sources. That said, look at the Brits, a potpourri of nations (and genes) Anglos, Saxons, Celts, Romans, Viking, etc. but all call that island home. I don't see any different if "T" and "E1b1b" call the Somali peninsula home.

Bilis wrote:

jalaaludin5 wrote:@50% of Somali in ethiopia are Ogaden!

I didn't say that; look again.

jalaaludin5 wrote:I get a whiff of Haplogroup-ism qabyaaladeysan from your tone.

A perfect example of what I knew Faraxs will do with the abtiris DNA and habar Haplogroup.

Ma anaa garan geelu doofaar laayay. Lol

That's not my link either ninyahow.

Lool

(who, as you know, are mostly Ogaden)

Nothing has change sxb. Qabyaalad using falsified historical events and gabayo rag leeyihin been associated with anyone but the rightful owner....to using habar Haplogroup language to perpetuate same old lies.

Am not pointing a finger but just trying to draw your attention to why I was apprehensive about the obsession with DNA testing because i knew it will just be the modern way of qabyaalad. (Sophisticated modern qabiilist well versed in the science of habar-haplo).
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Bilis wrote:

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: They already tried in the previous regime and I see they are still trying too.

Well said, tell them camarade!

Who is "they"? You do realize that most of Adal's forces during the Futuh were from Darod clans, right?

"It may be said in passing, however, that although Somali clans — principally the Habar Magadle Isaaq, the Harti Daarood, and the Mareehaan — played a strong role in Gran's conquest of Abyssinia, these clans went to war not so much as Somalis but as Muslims."

Are you by any chance Habar Magadle? No? Then by your own logic, you are "stealing" their history.

Say no to passive-aggressive nonsense.

You lack reading comprehension, so out of "they played a strong role", you interpreted it as '"much forces""?



Nothing you say will erase history. Beesha Direed were at the forefront and played the biggest role. The Adal Sultanate was a predominately Beesha Direed Sultanate. It's not a coincidence they renamed the northern gobol as Awdal.

They said the center of Ahmed Gurays army the core was from Adal, with the cavalry surrounding him. With common sense this would obviously have been the most numerous.

Even if other clans were the most numerous , they were in it mostly for the looting and quickly dispatched after they got what they were in it for.

Beesha Direed will always be at the forefront of Somalinimo.

Your clan quickly dispatched after looting like cowards and like geesiyaal we stayed and fought , thus leading to a population decline.

Now in return for the traitorship , your cousins in the 21st century are getting humiliated by Bantus.

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: You lack reading comprehension, so out of "they played a strong role", you interpreted it as '"much forces""?



Nothing you say will erase history. Beesha Direed were at the forefront and played the biggest role. The Adal Sultanate was a predominately Beesha Direed Sultanate. It's not a coincidence they renamed the northern gobol as Awdal.

They said the center of Ahmed Gurays army the core was from Adal, with the cavalry surrounding him. With common sense this would obviously have been the most numerous.

Even if other clans were the most numerous , they were in it mostly for the looting and quickly dispatched after they got what they were in it for.

Hey, I didn't write the Futuh (which you clearly have not read).

Don't like it? Blame the author Shihab ad-Din. He was Ahmed Gurey's personal chronicler, by the way.

For the rest, your petty qabil talk means nothing. "Stealing history" kulaha.

RoobleAlWaliid wrote:

Bilis wrote:

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: They already tried in the previous regime and I see they are still trying too.

Well said, tell them camarade!

Who is "they"? You do realize that most of Adal's forces during the Futuh were from Darod clans, right?

"It may be said in passing, however, that although Somali clans — principally the Habar Magadle Isaaq, the Harti Daarood, and the Mareehaan — played a strong role in Gran's conquest of Abyssinia, these clans went to war not so much as Somalis but as Muslims."

Are you by any chance Habar Magadle? No? Then by your own logic, you are "stealing" their history.

Say no to passive-aggressive nonsense.

You lack reading comprehension, so out of "they played a strong role", you interpreted it as '"much forces""?



Nothing you say will erase history. Beesha Direed were at the forefront and played the biggest role. The Adal Sultanate was a predominately Beesha Direed Sultanate. It's not a coincidence they renamed the northern gobol as Awdal.

They said the center of Ahmed Gurays army the core was from Adal, with the cavalry surrounding him. With common sense this would obviously have been the most numerous.

Even if other clans were the most numerous , they were in it mostly for the looting and quickly dispatched after they got what they were in it for.

Beesha Direed will always be at the forefront of Somalinimo.

Your clan quickly dispatched after looting like cowards and like geesiyaal we stayed and fought , thus leading to a population decline.

Now in return for the traitorship , your cousins in the 21st century are getting humiliated by Bantus.

The "humiliation of his cousins by bantus" is your humiliation (as a Somali) .
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Habar haplogroup. Transparent and predictable but entertaining in a PS3 kind of way

jalaaludin5 wrote:The "humiliation of his cousins by bantus" is your humiliation (as a Somali) .

I'm not even from konfurta, so I'm not sure what this guy's on about.

I agree with the Somalinimo thing, though, btw.

jalaaludin5 wrote:Nothing has change sxb. Qabyaalad using falsified historical events and gabayo rag leeyihin been associated with anyone but the rightful owner....to using habar Haplogroup language to perpetuate same old lies.

Am not pointing a finger but just trying to draw your attention to why I was apprehensive about the obsession with DNA testing because i knew it will just be the modern way of qabyaalad. (Sophisticated modern qabiilist well versed in the science of habar-haplo).

Please be more specific sxb. What are these "falsified historical events" you allude to? Cause the Futuh is actually written medieval history.

Click on the link if you don't believe the 50% Somali Galbeed haplogroup thing. It's in the seventh tab at the bottom.

Bilis wrote: Hey, I didn't write the Futuh (which you clearly have not read).

Don't like it? Blame the author Shihab ad-Din. He was Ahmed Gurey's personal chronicler, by the way.

For the rest, your petty qabil talk means nothing. "Stealing history" kulaha.

Did you quote the book or ""Somalia: nation in search of a state""

I have not read that book, but who's to say it's the only source of information on that event.

The book will arrive at my doorsteps pretty soon.

Petty qabiil talk you say , you see I keep it transparent, while you sugarcoat your clannish side with DNA etc.