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Jaamacbuuhoodle wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:45 pm

Xildiiid wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:58 am

Murax wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:47 am



We look at things differently. I had personal family who we’re gunned down by Qeybadiid’s men in Mogadishu 1991. Today he is a Senator in this Government. I’m dead serious if Farmaajo decides to take a pic with him tomorrow I wouldn’t care. Omar Finnish was part of a group that had it on agenda #1 to kill my people yet he was appointed city mayor. I realize at the end of the day as much as I despise these people, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and what Somali needs is iscafis, tanaasul, and a move on mentality. Habar Gedir are my Countrymen even if a lot of them support him. Again that’s just me, but obviously you folks think differently which is why I am 1000% in favor of secession even more than you. A fair demarcation of the Sanaag border, Sool and a referendum in Awdal. Once thats done macsalaama and best of luck

It’s not a matter of perspective..

You’re comparing state sponsored genocide, confirmed by renowned genocide scholars, to casualties from the Darod-Hawiye civil war in order to downplay the seriousness of the crimes committed against my people by a state.

We were not part of the Walaweyn civil war but since you insist, what clan did Isaaq fight?

According to the CIA we had 2.5x the manpower of any group in the Somali Peninsula and 3x the amount of weapons and on top of that a united Isaaq. It would’ve been suicide for anyone to wage war on us in the 90’s.

Also the narrative of reconciliation is ludicrous. We forgave the neighboring clans in 1991 when we could’ve wiped them out completely. We’re not looking for reconciliation with failed state Zoomalia. We’re looking for justice for thousands of innocent people murdered by a state.

Somaliland won’t give up an inch of her territory just because you wish that your minority clansmen could join you in Zoomalia and increase your numbers. The borders of Somaliland are based on the boundaries we had when we gained independence on June 26, 1960.

I found out the iidoor are tough behind their keyboard kkkkkkkkk

Xildiid Adeer Salamadow baad tahaye waanu iis naqaana , maxaad iis la waalaysaa ?
Ma 1991kii baad wax naga qaadi karaysay ? ( cajiib )

Awoodan military ee Isaaq lahaa 1991kii ayaaba yaab leh , anigo ka tirsana ciidamadii Gaaska 2-aad ee duleedka Hargeysa maan ogaynba !
Maanta iigu horaysaa walaahi
Maxaad ku dagaalmi laheed 1991kii ma Af Soomaali mise rasaas ?
29-1-1991kii ayaan ka baxay Hargeysa cid hub Culus haystaa kuma arag jidka uu dhaxeeyay Hargeysa - Berbera - Sheekh - Burco - Caynaba .
Nabada ka jirtaa Waqooyiga Somalia waa Xal ku yimi xaqiiqada dhulka taala lolz .
Caqligaagu ha shaqeeyo Harti Daarood kaliya ayaad ka adkaan wayday ( 1991-2019 ) oo la yaaban tahay sidii baad uu la dagaalmaysaa Dowlada Somalia ?

AbdiWahab252 wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:46 pm Kudos to Farmaajo and Kheyre for buying the Somali Embassy a residence.

cheifaqilbari wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:15 pm Faqash waligood waxa lagu yaqaana huuha iyo kibir. Wa dad aad u faan iyo islaweey badan waliba iyaga oo addunka ugu liita. Somaliland shacab iyo xukumad Maanta alxamdulilah nabad iyo hormar bey u socdan. Farmaajo iyo kuwan faqash qarax iyo dhimaso ku noolYhin . Mujahedtini SNM guul wey gaadey wayo Maanta tuke oo maraynka jooga ba bila shaqa ah oo tuuksanya even uber fired him. Marka anig sawirkan waxa u arka hagey joogan faqash Maanta oo La mida 1991 hagey joogen . Surely the faqash ideology is neofaqishsm siyad baresm is crazyniess for they have lost but still repeating the same over and over again.

AbdiWahab252 wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:24 am Murax

You can not compare Tuuke to Qeybdiid. Qeybdiid is a senator who represents his qabiil. He was elected by them as their representative. His past enemies have forgiven him and welcomed him to their own heartland. Farmaajo has to meet Qeybdiid.

Tuuke is a war criminal convicted on charges. The optics of the meeting look terrible. Tuuke is not an elected representative of his people. Farmaajo could have chosen not to meet with him.

Farmaajo’s protocol officer should be fired.

Voltage wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:48 pm

AbdiWahab252 wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:24 am Murax

You can not compare Tuuke to Qeybdiid. Qeybdiid is a senator who represents his qabiil. He was elected by them as their representative. His past enemies have forgiven him and welcomed him to their own heartland. Farmaajo has to meet Qeybdiid.

Tuuke is a war criminal convicted on charges. The optics of the meeting look terrible. Tuuke is not an elected representative of his people. Farmaajo could have chosen not to meet with him.

Farmaajo’s protocol officer should be fired.

Abdiwahab, no no abti, just stop. Ssshh ok? You and Qaybeed are the last people to talk about any of this. Marka sshhh. Quietly walk away.

As for Qaybdeed, if we aren't at every corner screaming and whining, it's not because of you or him. It's because we are GOB.

Remember that in 2005 when he was released from Prison in European after his arrest, the day he flew back to Mogadishu the Mareexaan in Caabudwaaq sent him that public invitation to come to them and he literally did not stay overnight in Xamar, he was in Caabudwaaq by nightfall.

The Mareexaan led by the Ugaas and Cabdirisaaq Cawl said for the entire Somali people to watch, we forgive you, we do not hold anything against you or anyone, to those who died may God forgive them and those living including you may God forgive you.

That public, unilateral, and really extraordinary step that was taken by us opened the door for the Majeerteen invitation led by the Islaam of Cumar Maxmuud that similarly forgave Qaybdeed.

This was before Shabaab, before ICU, before federalism advamcing, before Galmudug, before Senate,...it was pretty much before any political consideration.

It was a unilateral and non political/state initiative taken by Darod to advance reconciliation.

So abti, there is a DIFFERENCE in the type of people chasing Tuke and the type of people that could have been chasing Qaybdiid.

I don't mean to see one type of people are bad or good, but there are different things motivating them.

Grievance vs. Reconciliation

One says reconciliation as the path that will bring the promised Somalia of tomorrow and one sees grievance as a strategic path to bring the independent Somaliland of tomorrow.

The annual U.N. General Assembly is an orgy of symbolism. Who meets whom on the sidelines? Who tried but failed to secure a meeting with the U.S. president? Who walks out of whose speech? Whom do security officers intercept when they try to exceed the permissions of their visa?

But there’s a second chapter to the diplomatic saga: Who continues on to Washington? What they do there matters. Some go to the White House, others to Congress, and still others hold meetings with their respective diasporas.

President Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, or Farmajo as he is known to his Somali constituents, visited Washington, D.C., to formally open the Somali embassy. Farmajo was once the State Department’s great hope for Somalia. Long a refugee in the United States, he acquired American citizenship and even worked in various local government posts in Buffalo, New York, before returning to Somalia to become president.

The State Department sent Donald Yamamoto, one of its highest ranking Africanists, to head the U.S. mission in Mogadishu. Yamamoto, in turn, promised Somalia almost a billion dollars in aid, although that number has shrunk considerably because of Farmajo’s ineffectiveness against (if not participation in) endemic corruption and a host of unanswered questions about his governance and priorities.

U.S. priorities in the Horn of Africa are promoting peace and stability, countering terrorism, and preventing Chinese inroads. On the latter two counts, Farmajo has already become a liability. He has sold Somali waters to Chinese interests, for example, undercutting Somali fishing and aiding a revival of piracy. In recent months, he has appeared to endorse terrorism as a policy tool against neighboring states.

His visit to Washington should now end any question about whether the Farmajo regime deserves U.S. support.

Less than six months ago, the revelation that an Uber and Lyft driver in the Washington, D.C., area was a confirmed war criminal made international headlines. At the time, numerous Somalis testified that the driver, Yusuf Abdi Ali (better known as Colonel Tukeh), had directed torture and gruesome executions of prisoners during the 1980s.

In one case, he had tied prisoners to a tree, doused them with oil, and lit them on fire. In another case, he tied a prisoner to a military vehicle and dragged him to his death. The cases were well documented, and so when Abdi Ali was found living in Canada, the Canadian government deported him. He later entered the U.S. and found work as an airport screener until he was recognized. Ultimately, after a long legal battle, the Federal Court in Alexandria, Virginia, found Abdi Ali guilty and fined him $500,000 in the case of Farhan Tani Warfaa, a Somali whom Abdi Ali had tortured and shot five times while Warfaa was a teenager.

Human rights activists and Somalia watchers were shocked, therefore, not only to see Abdi Ali attending the opening of the new Somali embassy in Washington, but also to pose for pictures with Farmajo. Politicians might get a pass when asked to pose by well-wishers whom they do not know. But in this case, Abdi Ali appeared to be working for Farmajo, setting the security perimeter.

No diplomatic smoke and mirrors can obfuscate Farmajo’s behavior. He is seeking to appeal to the worst elements of his clan rather than promoting reconciliation. In Somaliland especially, where the bulk of former dictator Siad Barre’s genocide against the Isaaq clan occurred, the wounds are still fresh and mass graves still uncovered.

Yamamoto’s strategy has effectively been one of bribery: Flood Mogadishu with aid and allow Farmajo to use it to grease patronage to unite Somalia. The strategy has not worked, however, and instead has worsened corruption, undercut development by distorting salaries, and undermines stability in Somaliland and the southern Jubbaland state, as well as other portions of Somalia that have also seen modest stabilization and success.

Even before Farmajo’s Washington trip, there were ample grounds for the State Department or Congress to review Somalia policy. For a leader such as Farmajo to pose with a war criminal should be grounds for automatic cessation of support. Somalia cannot recover with Farmajo in power. Both Somalis and American taxpayers deserve better.

Xildiiid wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:25 pm

Jaamacbuuhoodle wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:45 pm

Xildiiid wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:58 am

It’s not a matter of perspective..

You’re comparing state sponsored genocide, confirmed by renowned genocide scholars, to casualties from the Darod-Hawiye civil war in order to downplay the seriousness of the crimes committed against my people by a state.

We were not part of the Walaweyn civil war but since you insist, what clan did Isaaq fight?

According to the CIA we had 2.5x the manpower of any group in the Somali Peninsula and 3x the amount of weapons and on top of that a united Isaaq. It would’ve been suicide for anyone to wage war on us in the 90’s.

Also the narrative of reconciliation is ludicrous. We forgave the neighboring clans in 1991 when we could’ve wiped them out completely. We’re not looking for reconciliation with failed state Zoomalia. We’re looking for justice for thousands of innocent people murdered by a state.

Somaliland won’t give up an inch of her territory just because you wish that your minority clansmen could join you in Zoomalia and increase your numbers. The borders of Somaliland are based on the boundaries we had when we gained independence on June 26, 1960.

I found out the iidoor are tough behind their keyboard kkkkkkkkk

Xildiid Adeer Salamadow baad tahaye waanu iis naqaana , maxaad iis la waalaysaa ?
Ma 1991kii baad wax naga qaadi karaysay ? ( cajiib )

Awoodan military ee Isaaq lahaa 1991kii ayaaba yaab leh , anigo ka tirsana ciidamadii Gaaska 2-aad ee duleedka Hargeysa maan ogaynba !
Maanta iigu horaysaa walaahi
Maxaad ku dagaalmi laheed 1991kii ma Af Soomaali mise rasaas ?
29-1-1991kii ayaan ka baxay Hargeysa cid hub Culus haystaa kuma arag jidka uu dhaxeeyay Hargeysa - Berbera - Sheekh - Burco - Caynaba .
Nabada ka jirtaa Waqooyiga Somalia waa Xal ku yimi xaqiiqada dhulka taala lolz .
Caqligaagu ha shaqeeyo Harti Daarood kaliya ayaad ka adkaan wayday ( 1991-2019 ) oo la yaaban tahay sidii baad uu la dagaalmaysaa Dowlada Somalia ?

There’s a paper on the military strength of the different armed factions written by the CIA. Riwaayadaad noogu sheekeyneyso yaa kaa dhegeysaneya?

1991 waa tii odayaasha reerkaagu baryayeen Cabdiraxmaan Tuur oo ay Burco ku saxeexeen axdigii ku dhisnaa la soo noqoshada Somaliland!

Waa ta labaadee, adigu xagaad isku qarineysey markuu adeerkey Buhoodle qabsaday 1989 (twice) oo uu ku wada gowracay askartii Faqashta?

Maantaba Somaliland baa naga kaa haysa ee is maad waasheen.

Jaamacbuuhoodle wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:06 pm

Xildiiid wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:25 pm

Jaamacbuuhoodle wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:45 pm

I found out the iidoor are tough behind their keyboard kkkkkkkkk

Xildiid Adeer Salamadow baad tahaye waanu iis naqaana , maxaad iis la waalaysaa ?
Ma 1991kii baad wax naga qaadi karaysay ? ( cajiib )

Awoodan military ee Isaaq lahaa 1991kii ayaaba yaab leh , anigo ka tirsana ciidamadii Gaaska 2-aad ee duleedka Hargeysa maan ogaynba !
Maanta iigu horaysaa walaahi
Maxaad ku dagaalmi laheed 1991kii ma Af Soomaali mise rasaas ?
29-1-1991kii ayaan ka baxay Hargeysa cid hub Culus haystaa kuma arag jidka uu dhaxeeyay Hargeysa - Berbera - Sheekh - Burco - Caynaba .
Nabada ka jirtaa Waqooyiga Somalia waa Xal ku yimi xaqiiqada dhulka taala lolz .
Caqligaagu ha shaqeeyo Harti Daarood kaliya ayaad ka adkaan wayday ( 1991-2019 ) oo la yaaban tahay sidii baad uu la dagaalmaysaa Dowlada Somalia ?

There’s a paper on the military strength of the different armed factions written by the CIA. Riwaayadaad noogu sheekeyneyso yaa kaa dhegeysaneya?

1991 waa tii odayaasha reerkaagu baryayeen Cabdiraxmaan Tuur oo ay Burco ku saxeexeen axdigii ku dhisnaa la soo noqoshada Somaliland!

Waa ta labaadee, adigu xagaad isku qarineysey markuu adeerkey Buhoodle qabsaday 1989 (twice) oo uu ku wada gowracay askartii Faqashta?

Maantaba Somaliland baa naga kaa haysa ee is maad waasheen.

Kaagan yar ee Salamadow waad dagaalmaysaaye ?
Sii caadii ah uma doodii kartid miyaa ?

1- 1989 waaba sanadkii laga adkaaday SNM iyo Ciidamadii Xabashida ee Xuduuda Somalia - Ethiopia ka dagaalmaysay Jabkii ka raacay ayaa ku kaliftay Taliskii Mengistu Haile Mariam ino Guud ahaan jabhada SNM ugu baxo hashiisyadii uu la galay 1982-1986 .
Taariikhda been lagama sheegii karo ,

2- Markaad leedahay Odayaashii Reerkaaga ayaa Axdigii lagu dhisay Somaliland Saxeexay ?

Do you have evidence or documents to support your statement ?
Hore loo yiri beeni raad maleh lolz

Mid kale maxaad hashiis ulaa gashay Hartiga-1991kii , idinku Dhulka Harti qabsan kara lolz
maa laga yaaba inay tahay ,,,,,,
ISAAQ couldn’t defeat HARTI so your people tried another route.

3- Maantaba Somaliland baa naga kaa haysa ee is maad waasheen.

Cida iis waalaysaa waa idinka Adeer ,, marku dagaalku dhaco Umadda Soomaaliyeed dadka ugu cabaadka iyo Calacaal badan waa Isaaq ( Isaaq reerka Garxajis uun baa ragga iyo dagaal yaqaana ) .
Dhaqanka reerka Daarood Ismaaciil oo dhan Calacaalka iyo hadalada jelescsan laguma yaqaano .
Ninka ragga ah dagaal waa lagaga adkaan kara laakin sida Mahbar : Dhuusa Biixi 30-sano kadib waa nala xasuuqsay TV - ka Calacaal waa dhaqan aad uu liita .

let me break it down for you ,,

Dhaqanka Isaaq waa sababta Isaaq bilaa Xulufo ka dhigay Gudaha Somalia iyo Kilika 5aad .

Somalia ,
1991 : Isaaq wuxuu Xulufo Siyaasadeed iyo taageero buuxda ka haystay Beelaha Hawiye .
2019 Hawiye waaxay Xulufo Siyaasadeed la yihiin Daarood kkkkk . ( Kursiga Madaxweynaha ama RW waa Wareegto ) .

Ethiopia ( kilika 5aad ) .

1991 1991 : Isaaq wuxuu Xulufo Siyaasadeed iyo taageero buuxda ka haystay beelaha Dir .
2019 beelaha Dir waxay Xulufo Siyaasadeed la yihiin Daarood Ismaaciil kkkkk . ( Kursiga Madaxweynaha Maamulka Kilika 5aad intaa badan waxaa leh Daarood Ismaaciil ,
Taariikh ahaanba intaa badan Hogaamiyaha Somalida kilika waa nin Daarood ah )

Isaaq : ma yaqaano sida ragga loola dhaqmo ,
maaha reer khaladka iska qabta ( mentally and emotionally weak ) .
Isaaqu Maba qarsadan Af xumadooda iyo Dhaqan Xumadooda waa Caadii inaad Somaliland TV ka arkto Siyaasii , Oday , Naag , Caruur sheeganayaa Somaliland oo cayaaya Beel Soomaaliyeed ama magaalo Soomaaliyeed .

Daarood Ismaaciil : dhaqan ahaan waxaanu Isticmaalna Siyaasad kale oo ah ( Siyaasad haddaad rabto Nimaan inaad hogaamiye uu noqto ka ilaali Afkaaga ) .

Xataa Samaroon-ka Gobolka Awdal Mustaqbalka Dhaw waxay Xulufo la noqon doonaan Hartiga ,
Sababta Gudabuursi Oo Dir ah Xulufo la noqdo Dhulbahante iyo Warsangali oo uu beesha Isaaq oo Dir ah ku diiday bal iis waydii ?
( sirtu Waa dhaqanka adeer )

Xildiiid wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:23 pm

Jaamacbuuhoodle wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:06 pm

Xildiiid wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:25 pm

There’s a paper on the military strength of the different armed factions written by the CIA. Riwaayadaad noogu sheekeyneyso yaa kaa dhegeysaneya?

1991 waa tii odayaasha reerkaagu baryayeen Cabdiraxmaan Tuur oo ay Burco ku saxeexeen axdigii ku dhisnaa la soo noqoshada Somaliland!

Waa ta labaadee, adigu xagaad isku qarineysey markuu adeerkey Buhoodle qabsaday 1989 (twice) oo uu ku wada gowracay askartii Faqashta?

Maantaba Somaliland baa naga kaa haysa ee is maad waasheen.

Kaagan yar ee Salamadow waad dagaalmaysaaye ?
Sii caadii ah uma doodii kartid miyaa ?

1- 1989 waaba sanadkii laga adkaaday SNM iyo Ciidamadii Xabashida ee Xuduuda Somalia - Ethiopia ka dagaalmaysay Jabkii ka raacay ayaa ku kaliftay Taliskii Mengistu Haile Mariam ino Guud ahaan jabhada SNM ugu baxo hashiisyadii uu la galay 1982-1986 .
Taariikhda been lagama sheegii karo ,

2- Markaad leedahay Odayaashii Reerkaaga ayaa Axdigii lagu dhisay Somaliland Saxeexay ?

Do you have evidence or documents to support your statement ?
Hore loo yiri beeni raad maleh lolz

Mid kale maxaad hashiis ulaa gashay Hartiga-1991kii , idinku Dhulka Harti qabsan kara lolz
maa laga yaaba inay tahay ,,,,,,
ISAAQ couldn’t defeat HARTI so your people tried another route.

3- Maantaba Somaliland baa naga kaa haysa ee is maad waasheen.

Cida iis waalaysaa waa idinka Adeer ,, marku dagaalku dhaco Umadda Soomaaliyeed dadka ugu cabaadka iyo Calacaal badan waa Isaaq ( Isaaq reerka Garxajis uun baa ragga iyo dagaal yaqaana ) .
Dhaqanka reerka Daarood Ismaaciil oo dhan Calacaalka iyo hadalada jelescsan laguma yaqaano .
Ninka ragga ah dagaal waa lagaga adkaan kara laakin sida Mahbar : Dhuusa Biixi 30-sano kadib waa nala xasuuqsay TV - ka Calacaal waa dhaqan aad uu liita .

let me break it down for you ,,

Dhaqanka Isaaq waa sababta Isaaq bilaa Xulufo ka dhigay Gudaha Somalia iyo Kilika 5aad .

Somalia ,
1991 : Isaaq wuxuu Xulufo Siyaasadeed iyo taageero buuxda ka haystay Beelaha Hawiye .
2019 Hawiye waaxay Xulufo Siyaasadeed la yihiin Daarood kkkkk . ( Kursiga Madaxweynaha ama RW waa Wareegto ) .

Ethiopia ( kilika 5aad ) .

1991 1991 : Isaaq wuxuu Xulufo Siyaasadeed iyo taageero buuxda ka haystay beelaha Dir .
2019 beelaha Dir waxay Xulufo Siyaasadeed la yihiin Daarood Ismaaciil kkkkk . ( Kursiga Madaxweynaha Maamulka Kilika 5aad intaa badan waxaa leh Daarood Ismaaciil ,
Taariikh ahaanba intaa badan Hogaamiyaha Somalida kilika waa nin Daarood ah )

Isaaq : ma yaqaano sida ragga loola dhaqmo ,
maaha reer khaladka iska qabta ( mentally and emotionally weak ) .
Isaaqu Maba qarsadan Af xumadooda iyo Dhaqan Xumadooda waa Caadii inaad Somaliland TV ka arkto Siyaasii , Oday , Naag , Caruur sheeganayaa Somaliland oo cayaaya Beel Soomaaliyeed ama magaalo Soomaaliyeed .

Daarood Ismaaciil : dhaqan ahaan waxaanu Isticmaalna Siyaasad kale oo ah ( Siyaasad haddaad rabto Nimaan inaad hogaamiye uu noqto ka ilaali Afkaaga ) .

Xataa Samaroon-ka Gobolka Awdal Mustaqbalka Dhaw waxay Xulufo la noqon doonaan Hartiga ,
Sababta Gudabuursi Oo Dir ah Xulufo la noqdo Dhulbahante iyo Warsangali oo uu beesha Isaaq oo Dir ah ku diiday bal iis waydii ?
( sirtu Waa dhaqanka adeer )

Stop lying. In 1988 Afweyne begged Mengistu for a peace treaty and in exchange he would relinquish Somali claims on Kilil 5.

In 1989, SNM controlled Zeila in the West to Erigavo. This is the same year my uncle, a 1977 war hero, destroyed the SNA in Buhoodle and massacred 100’s of Faqash and Walaweyn.

We already defeated your people without exterminating them like we should’ve. In 1991 your elders signed the Declaration of Independence and your kin were allowed to return to Sanaag in 1993 because of Isaaq benevolence. Darod returned in 1997 after additional assurance from Isaaq.

Waxba nagama gelin Zoomalia iyo Kililka Shanaad iyo qabiiladan bilaa nasabkaa. The priority for Duriyadda is Somaliland and once we regain our sovereignty that’s when the real games will begin.