Happy 21st Of October (42 years and Counting...)

[Based]

How can you argue that SNM was supported wholeheartedly by the entire Isaaq clan, and then argue that the government attacked you out of clannism?

The government was repelling an invasion by the SNM, funded from Addis Ababa to destabilize Somalia. Once again, what country in the world would tolerate an armed invasion by a rebel group funded by your neighbor, a neighbor that not only occupies Somali territory but also one you just fought a devastating war against?

When you say Barre should have left, do you mean he should have acquiesced to the demands of foreign funded armed rebels?

Nobody is debating the fact that innocent civilians were unfortunately killed, but doesn't partial responsibility fall on the rebel groups that decided to invade Hargeysa and turned it into a battlefield?

Based, don't waste your time on these lunatics. If they had an ounce of intelligence and common sense, they would've understood that, the mere fact that SNM took over Hergeisa and Burco was a wrong action by SNM and it's outcome would be horrible.

What I still don't understand is why we're talking about the SNM in a thread dedicated to the Kacaan.

Why aren't they in the Somaliland section discussing the latest thread, "Siilaanyo takes a shit in oodweyne, says it's watery today!"

[zingii]

^ That is dumb. SNM was a unionist movement that was borne out of the failures of gov. .i.e. when it started to become more qabilist.

One man couldnt leave when the nation (most clans) wanted him to.


@Zingii, what would you have done if he died?

what do you mean by YOU?

[Knight of Wisdom]

What I still don't understand is why we're talking about the SNM in a thread dedicated to the Kacaan.

Why aren't they in the Somaliland section discussing the latest thread, "Siilaanyo takes a shit in oodweyne, says it's watery today!"

Oh Shit

It's their way of trying to be noticed. No one hardly talks about their existence.

[Username1]

Here we go again with this tired old sh!t. Every Farah will tell you how much they hate they white man and anything to do with him, but you will see that same unprincipled mother foker lining up at the job centre waiting to collect was giro.
Based if you feel so passionate about the whiteman, leave my dead grandad alone and go back to fokin Gedo, or what ever sh!t village you crawled from. People like you are weak hypocrites who judge others, but turn a blind eye to themselves.
You are weak your ancestors were weak and after you destroyed Somalia, you had to come run to the whiteman as a fockin REFUGEE. Do you know the difference between a fockin REFUGEE and a Man who came here to work.
I will tell you, you BEGGED to get to the west. I didn't, now take the home as homework.

[Based]

I think it's time to return our discussion to the glorious day that was the 21st of October, 1969.



And with that, I think it's time to log off.

Peace

[Based]

Here we go again with this tired old sh!t. Every Farah will tell you how much they hate they white man and anything to do with him, but you will see that same unprincipled mother foker lining up at the job centre waiting to collect was giro.
Based if you feel so passionate about the whiteman, leave my dead grandad alone and go back to fokin Gedo, or what ever sh!t village you crawled from. People like you are weak hypocrites who judge others, but turn a blind eye to themselves.
You are weak your ancestors were weak and after you destroyed Somalia, you had to come run to the whiteman as a fockin REFUGEE. Do you know the difference between a fockin REFUGEE and a Man who came here to work.
I will tell you, you BEGGED to get to the west. I didn't, now take the home as homework.

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Adios.

[Saraxnow]

How can you argue that SNM was supported wholeheartedly by the entire Isaaq clan, and then argue that the government attacked you out of clannism?

The government was repelling an invasion by the SNM, funded from Addis Ababa to destabilize Somalia. Once again, what country in the world would tolerate an armed invasion by a rebel group funded by your neighbor, a neighbor that not only occupies Somali territory but also one you just fought a devastating war against?

When you say Barre should have left, do you mean he should have acquiesced to the demands of foreign funded armed rebels?

Nobody is debating the fact that innocent civilians were unfortunately killed, but doesn't partial responsibility fall on the rebel groups that decided to invade Hargeysa and turned it into a battlefield?

Your first question does not make sense. *Now it does. If you clearly read I said, whether they supported by heart or actions, so not every isaaq was physically involved in SNM.*

Listen you cannot attack a clan and plan to displace them, why did they plan to remove them even before the war started? If thats not clannism then I dont know what it is.

Barre should have left simply because the majority of the people did not want him. The government was failing it was not the same as before. Eventually you will not require outside help to remove your dictator you will do a Libyan and remove him yourself. You cannot sustain power for long when there are large dissidents in your population, it has to give way.
As for Ethiopia. They are happy for the death of any Somali, but that does not make the Somali Government more lovable or tolerable to the people.

Rebel groups enter a city to fight with soldiers/troops stationed there and the solution is aerial-bombard the whole city. Disproportionate use of force. But it didnt matter to the gov. if innocents were killed as they already decided that there were no innocents.

[Username1]

[Knight of Wisdom]

Here is something I dedicated to 21kii Octoobar ee 1969.


Rag wa Ragii hore, hadalna wa intu yidhi.
Guulwade wa Siyaad, Abihii Qowmada Somaliyeed.
Xisbii wa SRC, Hantiwadagii umada Somaliyeed.
Xornimo wa July 1960kii, Talona wa 21kii Octoobar ee 1969kii.
Geysnimo wa Siyaad, Xukuna wa Kacaankii.
Wadana wa Somalia, Dawladiina wa Somali Revolutionary Council.
Madaxweyne wa Major General President Muhammad Siyaad Barre,
Calana wa ka bluuga ah, ee xidigta cad dhexda ku leh, luqadna wa Somali.
Waxan ka dhashtay ragii dhulka hantiiyey, sida nimankii Ahmed Gurey, Darwiish iyo Kacaankii 21kii Octoobar.
Allow uu naxariiso Madaxweyne Muhammad Siyaad Barre iyo ragii dacada aha ee Dawladii Kacaanka !



























Mogadishu, Somalia During Dawladii Kacaanka.





Hergaysa, Somalia During Dawladii Kacaanka.



Somali Airlines, Commercial Airliner Dawladii Kacaanka





Somali Airforce, Dawladii Kacaanka




Here is Ibrahim Meygag Samatar (April 1981): Serving under Dawladii Siyaad Barre ee Kacaankii 21kii Octoobar. Siilaanyo was part of it too.







Happy 21 Octoobar, Countrymen. Add your Tributes !!

[Knight of Wisdom]

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Adios.

It's been 20 years and nigga is still MAD.

[934]

[Saraxnow]

@Zingii, what would you have done if he died?

what do you mean by YOU?

adiga, you, tu iyo dadahaan. maxaad samayn laheed, ma sii sugi laheed mahdigi oo yumul qiyamaha so dhawaato

[Knight of Wisdom]

[DatBreh]

Was that the same clan (Ogaden) that formed the SPM and rebelled against the government?

No country in the world would tolerate an armed invasion by a rebel group funded primarily by their neighbors, who constitute an existential threat to everything they worked hard to build.

If Texas were to receive military aid from Mexico to overthrow Washington, do you think Obama would hesitate dropping an H-Bomb?

If Eastern Somaliland was given weapons by Djibouti, what would Siilaanyo's response be today?

You can ask Ogadens members themselves, I wont speak for them. But what I do know, is Barre used their reer miyi folks and equipped them to fight against SNM. But because SNM was supported whether by heart or actions by the Isaaq, it was eventually a government vs clan war. They used qabiils against each other and fought on that basis, 'Daarood should take the whole of the North regions' , bring ogadens as refugees so that later they can take over left over property and land. This was planned way before the war broke out and refugees stayed amongst the people in Hargeisa.

Its pretty simple to me. Its not why was the government fighting back, its why use disproportionate force + pure clannism. The mission was to completely remove isaaq from their northern territories either by displacement or death, ''Isaaq Tir Tir'' was what some would proudly shout.

Siilanyo would have no right to target all of those who belong to the eastern clan or displace them on a clan basis, if he did, I would be the first to defend them.

All Barre had to do, was leave his position. Nothing else.

Its the decisions of those in charge that is important whether they be generals or presidents, because many of whom were foot soldiers were given false information about what they were fighting.

How can you argue that SNM was supported wholeheartedly by the entire Isaaq clan, and then argue that the government attacked you out of clannism?

The government was repelling an invasion by the SNM, funded from Addis Ababa to destabilize Somalia. Once again, what country in the world would tolerate an armed invasion by a rebel group funded by your neighbor, a neighbor that not only occupies Somali territory but also one you just fought a devastating war against?

When you say Barre should have left, do you mean he should have acquiesced to the demands of foreign funded armed rebels?

Nobody is debating the fact that innocent civilians were unfortunately killed, but doesn't partial responsibility fall on the rebel groups that decided to invade Hargeysa and turned it into a battlefield?

Have you ever heard of the saying "My enemy's enemy is my friend"?

It seems you have this belief that all of those groups who rebelled against Barre did so simply because Mengistu told them to, as if they had no grievances and injustices they we fighting against.

Also on you point about no country tolerating an armed invasion by a rebel group, do you honestly believe that Barre could fund Melez Zenawi and Isaias Afewerki and the rebel movements against Mengistu's rule and not expect the favour to be returned?

[934]

Nigger whats Islam? Huh?