Bilal(asxabi; companion of the Prophet(scw)was SOMALI

[ZubeirAwal]

Same with our one because how can the qibla be facing jerusalem, if Islam was revealed to the settlers of Zaylac 200 years after Hijra?

It only makes sense that someone or some people who were with the sahaba went to zeylac to spread islam there.

[Meyle]

lol offcourse he came from Ethiopia (not eritrea slavery was not practised by the sea kingdom as proved by qareysh conversation with sea king ashrem when they try to retreat the sahaba) because he was sold as a slave, the question is his origin not where he came from before arriving in arabia. he didn't go further into his research no one in arabia knew who dir or oromo were in arabia, they just called them Bilad al habesha since it was under the controll of the ethiopian king at that time.

Since when has Somalis been referred to as Habasha? Never in our history... its a f-king insult and you're telling Somalis back then were called Habesha and they were happy about it, give me a fuckin break!

Somali inhabited land was called Bilad al-Barbar by Arabs, not Ardul Habasha. They clearly differentiated between these two areas even though they're very close. The Ethiopian king didn't control any Somali territory, it was the Afar king under Axumite empire that controlled Saylac.

Bilad al barbar was refered to the area's north west of africa not somalia stop claiming other people territory, since when was al barbar somali??? what's next??? yu going to claim somalia was known as yajuj and majuj??? Afar governor was under the kingship of ashrem al abher and the sea kingdom, somali were not under the afar controll, somali at that time were known as "dir" and were under the control of the habesh ethiopian king, how could the somali be under the afars when the 2 kings of ethiopia and eritrea fought the somali were on the ethiopian side back then while the afar were known a subject of the sea king.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_(region)

Look it for yourself son, Somalis were known as eastern Berbers even during the times of Axum and not as Habasha. Get things right. Show me references that an Ethiopian king controlled northern Somalia and when did these allegedly side with the Ethiopian king to fight the Eritreans. If they were ruled by an Ethiopian king shouldn't some form of trace from that era be found linguistically, culturally etc.

[gurey25]

The first time an Ethiopian ever set foot on somalis Land was 1343 when emperor Amde seyon launched a massive raid that destroyed the city of amoud and attacked berbera.

this was the first time, i have never heard of any evidence of any ethiopian state moving south of the awash before that time let alone controlling it.

Bilal was probably sold at Zeylac and was probably captured from the usual sources of slaves the wars between the several southern ethipian kingdoms like haddiya, fatajir, the sidamo and many more smaller ones. The afars and the somalis were major slavers and the last slaves were transported to Berbera by an habar awal caravan in the 1875
they were probably oromo and this was stopped by the Egyptian authorities due to British pressure.

[X.Playa]

gurey,

No as i have indicated before Bilaal's father was captured during the raid on the Black Rock at 625 A.D according to his biography , another unreliable source also claim Bilaal had a heavy accent in Arabic (which indicates he was not born at Makka) another fact is he had a sister , the probability him and his sister would be captured as slaves and survive the juorney and be sold at the same town to the same tribe is almost nill.

[InvisibleHand]

This is true, Bilal RA was either Oromo or a subject of Dir which means somali. I always suspected he might actually be somali because according to Amhara history the oromo were not under Abbysinia back then Only Dir.

Pure bullshit... Somalis became muslims 200 years after the Sahaba made their first hijra to Abyssinia, its even recorded that Bilals sister lived in the place the Sahaaba came and that she accompanied them back to Arabia afterwards, so how can he be a Somali?

Somalis became muslims before Mecca was conquered, when the Sahaba made hijra they went pass Zeylac, a mosque in Zeylac is built with a qibla facing both jerusalem and mecca.

If you want me to be more specific, north-western somalis were the first to become muslims, and that was around 610-700

Somali civilization and ethnic group started in what is now Somaliland and thus all Somalis virtually lived together at the time when Islam was introduced. That NW corner was the only place they lived. In fact, you can find many southern clan founders graves in present day Somaliland. The reason why Somalis are so spread out today is because of centuries of invading the Oromos and kicking them out of the land the Somali ethnic group now inhabit.

[InvisibleHand]

I doubt he was Somali. His father was named Rebah and his mother Hamama. Doesn't sound Somali to me.

[MenaceToSociety]

Could he have been an Abgaal? I mean Sheikh Shariif was extremely dark to thepoint where his lips were Red

[MidriGeez]

Same with our one because how can the qibla be facing jerusalem, if Islam was revealed to the settlers of Zaylac 200 years after Hijra?

It only makes sense that someone or some people who were with the sahaba went to zeylac to spread islam there.

Very possible indeed because there is alot of records in Eritrea of "belew" who are arabs or arab/horners mixed who moved along the coast south since the early migration, so it is possible that from the second or third sahaba migration some might went further south as it was possible at that time because the borders was open along the coast all the way to somaliland (as opposed crossing to ethiopia as there was tension as we see today and war escalated few months after anyway), Ahmed Gragn was also known as "belew" so whether he was arab who drifted south or arab/somali mix is still unclear but his army he united was all made up of somali that is for sure. This is intresting indeed i will be scanning for arabic sources for this msajid and i will report if i find something if this is what it seems to be then this is a heritage not only for somali but all muslims in the horn.

[MidriGeez]

lol offcourse he came from Ethiopia (not eritrea slavery was not practised by the sea kingdom as proved by qareysh conversation with sea king ashrem when they try to retreat the sahaba) because he was sold as a slave, the question is his origin not where he came from before arriving in arabia. he didn't go further into his research no one in arabia knew who dir or oromo were in arabia, they just called them Bilad al habesha since it was under the controll of the ethiopian king at that time.

Since when has Somalis been referred to as Habasha? Never in our history... its a f-king insult and you're telling Somalis back then were called Habesha and they were happy about it, give me a fuckin break!

Somali inhabited land was called Bilad al-Barbar by Arabs, not Ardul Habasha. They clearly differentiated between these two areas even though they're very close. The Ethiopian king didn't control any Somali territory, it was the Afar king under Axumite empire that controlled Saylac.

Bilad al barbar was refered to the area's north west of africa not somalia stop claiming other people territory, since when was al barbar somali??? what's next??? yu going to claim somalia was known as yajuj and majuj??? Afar governor was under the kingship of ashrem al abher and the sea kingdom, somali were not under the afar controll, somali at that time were known as "dir" and were under the control of the habesh ethiopian king, how could the somali be under the afars when the 2 kings of ethiopia and eritrea fought the somali were on the ethiopian side back then while the afar were known a subject of the sea king.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_(region)

Look it for yourself son, Somalis were known as eastern Berbers even during the times of Axum and not as Habasha. Get things right. Show me references that an Ethiopian king controlled northern Somalia and when did these allegedly side with the Ethiopian king to fight the Eritreans. If they were ruled by an Ethiopian king shouldn't some form of trace from that era be found linguistically, culturally etc.[/quote]

lol Do you know what Barbar means in arabic??? savages and uncivilsed, many places were charted as Balad al barbar according to arab mapping at that time, it means that people that live in that area don't even have civilzation nor require attention for even and expedition. and that is what i said about the afar king, the afar king was under the sea king of Eritrea why do you think axumite fell and both the eritrean king and ethiopian king went to war??? because the afar kingdom which was called the adulite complained to the sea king ashrem al abher about the intrusion of the ethiopian king into their land and stealing everything, so the battle was fought north between the sea kingdom which compromised of 4 kingdoms (Midri bahri,adulite,beja and belzin) against the north ethiopian kingdom which the sea kingdom scored a major victory, it was narrated that the sahaba wanted to join the fight as well with the eritrean king who sheltered them but ashrem refused, however one sahaba observed the battle "Battle of the mereb" and prayed for ashrem to be victorius and jumped for joy when he saw that the ethiopian king "estifanos the second" was defeated and ran back. From there the 4 kingdoms split and axumite declined and folded and the 4 kingdom were known as the "Beja confiderncy" which lasted another 800-900 Years with peace and prosperity. However Not all somali were under the afar kingdom at that time some somali who lived more inland came under the ethiopian incursion, This is why axum fell because of ethiopian harrasment of area's occupied By somali and afar, ask any red sea afar and he would tell you that Axum fell because of the harrasment of ethiopian king to their kingdom and the rest of the other 3 eritrean kingdoms went to war with the ethiopian king for them.

[MidriGeez]

The first time an Ethiopian ever set foot on somalis Land was 1343 when emperor Amde seyon launched a massive raid that destroyed the city of amoud and attacked berbera.

this was the first time, i have never heard of any evidence of any ethiopian state moving south of the awash before that time let alone controlling it.

Bilal was probably sold at Zeylac and was probably captured from the usual sources of slaves the wars between the several southern ethipian kingdoms like haddiya, fatajir, the sidamo and many more smaller ones. The afars and the somalis were major slavers and the last slaves were transported to Berbera by an habar awal caravan in the 1875
they were probably oromo and this was stopped by the Egyptian authorities due to British pressure.

that wasn't the first time, this was the second coming of ethiopian expansion which the rest of the horners are still fighting off today, this was during the time of the solominic Dynasty of yekuna amlak taking power, you need to go back roughly 1000 Years before that, axum fell in the 7th century and the 4 kingdom lived peacefully till the amhara took power again in the 13th century and their obsession for sea and land expansion began, the Beja confiderncy started to become weaker during these times and they didn't even attempt to attack the other kingdoms till 100-150 Years after. in the 600 years prior to that the ethiopians were paying tax to the 4 kingdoms just to make them happy. as soon as the confiderncy became weaker they switched gifts with war and invasion.

[MidriGeez]

I doubt he was Somali. His father was named Rebah and his mother Hamama. Doesn't sound Somali to me.

slaves adopt masters cultural names, like american slaves for example. His parent Names can't be used as a strong evidence to try to find his origin imagine finding who is somali these days based on their names, lol most is arabic.

[gurey25]

midigreez Yekuno amlak started the expansion but he had Damot, the manz, Ifat, Haddiya and a couple more kingdoms to go before he could meet somalis.
this was the late 1200's.
As far as i know ethiopians did not go past the muger river, which is north of Addis Abba today.

yekuna amlak and his decendents were a northern problem, you problem and maybe Ifats somalis were thousands of kilometers away.

[Meyle]

lol Do you know what Barbar means in arabic??? savages and uncivilsed, many places were charted as Balad al barbar according to arab mapping at that time, it means that people that live in that area don't even have civilzation nor require attention for even and expedition. and that is what i said about the afar king, the afar king was under the sea king of Eritrea why do you think axumite fell and both the eritrean king and ethiopian king went to war??? because the afar kingdom which was called the adulite complained to the sea king ashrem al abher about the intrusion of the ethiopian king into their land and stealing everything, so the battle was fought north between the sea kingdom which compromised of 4 kingdoms (Midri bahri,adulite,beja and belzin) against the north ethiopian kingdom which the sea kingdom scored a major victory, it was narrated that the sahaba wanted to join the fight as well with the eritrean king who sheltered them but ashrem refused, however one sahaba observed the battle "Battle of the mereb" and prayed for ashrem to be victorius and jumped for joy when he saw that the ethiopian king "estifanos the second" was defeated and ran back. From there the 4 kingdoms split and axumite declined and folded and the 4 kingdom were known as the "Beja confiderncy" which lasted another 800-900 Years with peace and prosperity. However Not all somali were under the afar kingdom at that time some somali who lived more inland came under the ethiopian incursion, This is why axum fell because of ethiopian harrasment of area's occupied By somali and afar, ask any red sea afar and he would tell you that Axum fell because of the harrasment of ethiopian king to their kingdom and the rest of the other 3 eritrean kingdoms went to war with the ethiopian king for them.

You dont know what you're talking about, you're lost son.. the word Berber or Barbaroi as it was from the beginning is a greek word that describes all people that were not greek. They mainly used it to describe Persian and Medes. The Roman adopted the word like they did with everything else that was greek and they used to describe foreign people mainly the people in north Africa, that they interfered with peacefully and sometimes violently through wars like the punic wars etc. The word is not of Arabic origin and the term was used to describe Somalis in the book periplus of the erythraean sea and not by Arabs, The man who wrote the book was greek and said that the eastern Berbers were famous for their trade with frankincense, according to Ancient Egyptians we were known for our frankincense trade aswell.

The fact is clear, people differentiated Somalis from Habash. So you can believe in your own lies, Somalis have never been called Habasha and never will. Which excludes Bilal from being Somali. He was a Habasha just like you!

Secondly, I said give me references that proves that Somalis were under the Ethiopian king during the times of Axum and give me references about the wars with the Eritrean king etc. I didnt ask you to tell me what an ''red sed sea afar'' thinks.

[IRONm@N]

Look at the geographical proximity to Arabia

Bilal Xabashiy was abyssinian aka ethiopian not somali. Stop trolling man !

at that time Somalia and Ethiopia was one. and I'm thinking actually the Ethiopians that converted to Islam after the sahaba immigration, moved down South and made their own Sulnate, and were finally call themselves Somalis. that is the thing that makes most sense.

[Gara Man]

"Somali Civilization..."