This Jubbaland conference is a farce

[Guul13]

Marehan have a neighborhood in Boosaaso known as Buurdhuubo.

Just like Xaafada Xariir right?

Even Mareexaan has two seats in Puntland parliament.

[Colonel]

Murax I find it hard that you've spent your whole life in the West when you'd choose warfare to the option of having inter-tribal political parties in Jubbaland within a few years. Think bigger my friend.

Colonel-

All I remember is the edeb you had during the last clash before the Kenyans interfered. You are not our concern, wallahi waan hubaa forget Kismaayo you can be removed from the entire of Somalia by Marehan in couple hours.

A lot of nonsense. Case in point, Kenyan troops have been supporting OG in lower jubba and MX in Gedo yet we have liberated the whole region while there still hasn't been any progress in Gedo.

Personally I just prefer they duke it out once and for all and settle the issue like it is supposed to be done and I have the absolute confidence Ras Kamboni will be tested at the battlefield by Marehan as soon as God removes the cursed Kenyan gorillas from our land.

When one knows he has been defeated on the political field, their only hope is for chaos to reign.

Remember in 2008 when beesha Sade removed Abdullahi Yusuf's Kablalax administration and sent Koojaar and Afgaduud past Dhooblay? Marehan waited a year and a half under Ethiopian control over Kismaayo with those guys walking around like kings when one morning days after the Ethiopians left fireworks took place.

it's 2013 and you now have Ras Kambony Navy Seals to deal with, getting nostalgic about the old days of warlordism won't get you anywhere.

We can bait our time while the Kenyans will be asked to leave and as soon as they leave...the more militaristic part of Marehan has promised to send Ras Kamboni packing after them.

There won't be any war for House Absame is too politically smart to fall for such tricks, verily you have been check mated in all matters concerning the Holy City.

[The`Republic]

Check mate in what? Because you are a puppet for temporary foreign force? Kenya will leave just like the Ethiopians 5 years ago and just like the Belgians 19 years ago. The political and military score setting will still stand in Kismaayo.

[Murax]

Colonel,

I have nothing against Absame and I've been on record many times, I'm probably the only Marehan here who's said I do not mind a President of a Jubbaland being Absame at all if it came through dialogue, consensus where people freely chose a Absame figure due to His merits. Civilization and law and order dictates that. However I make a exception to this case as to Me, it is a faction who has been supported and enabled by a foreign Army and Government in Kenya trying to use that as a main bargaining chip. Unless You have amnesia it was none other then You and other OG's on this site who referred to the Kenyan Government, IGAD secretary as 'Absame entities' due to guys like Yusuf Xaaji, Mahboub Macalin, etc. So if I oppose a Kenyan backed conference setup by Kenyan Absames, hosted by a Kenyan installed Ogaden regime with the goal of creating a Kenyan Ogaden vassal state, this makes Me a warmongering, hatred enciting guy clamoring for War from My sofa in the West?


Like I said many times, I do not mind a Absame, Marehan or anyone who I feel is selected in a neutral, free zone free from pressure and coersion by a Foreign Militairy who is backing a certain clan. In My mind, and in any neutral person's mind a Absame President of this shir would simply be yet another evidence of what I just talked about. The only thing I will own up to that I was absolutely wrong is saying statements like 'if a Ogaden is elected I will not support it'. The reason I said that wasn't so much from a qabil perspective but more from a angle that I really do wanna see a Jubbaland Federal State and a Non Ogaden is elected it would completely negate the notion that this nothing other than a NFD 2 Maamul conglomeration. That said, I realize this isn't principled and I will go on the record that I do not support this conference or any outcomes that come from it whether it be a Sade, Absame or a martian. As far as I'm concerned every Marehan that is a part of this now from Awlibax, Cali Madoobe, Indhoraadeer in My mind are unprincipled, unscrupaled guys who are doing their clan and Somalia in general a disservice. I could give a damn if they are elected a President of this Azania II flop or not

[Colonel]

Check mate in what? Because you are a puppet for temporary foreign force?

Don't lose your composure brother. How can I be the puppet of Kenya when an Ogaden man is the Minister of Kenya's Defence?

Mohamed Yusuf Haji is an ethnic Somali politician based in Kenya. He is that country's Minister of Defence, and briefly served as its acting Minister of Internal Security and Provincial Affairs in 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Yusuf_Haji

What you're saying simply makes no sense. Why are Kenyan troops in South Somalia in the first place? Because Ogaden politicians such as Minister Yusuf Haji and Gandhi set up a project for an Ogaden lead region to be set up. We have assets at our command, why should we not use them? It's called good politics. If it was Marehan which was Minister Of Kenya's Defence you would praise him on a daily basis. Don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.

Kenya will leave just like the Ethiopians 5 years ago and just like the Belgians 19 years ago. The political and military score setting will still stand in Kismaayo.

You're well known for chest pumping yet you've still failed to answer me as to how and with what forces Marehan will overcome Ogaden troops in the region? Anyway no war will break out (why would you wish for it while comfortably seating in your home?), those times have ended. It is those which are well versed in matters of politics which will come out on top.

Murax,

You've thrown cheap insults at Absame on numerous occasions. A shame considering how close our clans are.
Yes this project was started by Absame politicians yet Marehan is well represented in the Jubbaland project, the evidence of that is the number of Marehan heavyweights supporting it. Including Aw-Libaax, the man that you and many MX on this site branded as the leader of Sade. The same can be said for Col. Radeer.

While you view this from tribal glasses, I and many others see the potential that a stable and peaceful Jubbaland presents. Do you believe that it will remain a tribally ruled enclave? No, as Somalia progresses so will Jubbaland and perhaps in a few years time there will be many political parties to replaced tribal ones and to decide how the region is run.

[Murax]

Colonel,

There is 2 options for Jubbaland:

1) It becomes a official NFD colony, paying real tribute to Gaarisa and Nairobi with the leaders annointed from there.
2) It becomes a place where the locals can decide their future and leaders regardless of clan are elected by the locals without interference and coercion by Foreign Countries


For reasons that are understandable to Me You prefer option #1 while I prefer option #2. It doesn't matter what You say or I say, time will tell so lets just sit back and watch.

[Colonel]

[SultanOrder]

Colonol what regions have you guys liberated? Yusuf Hajji will no longer be minister of defense as soon as Kenyatta makes his new administration, yet during his reign you know what happened to Garrissa by the Kenyan army. And don't get me on Raskambooni navy seals, I hope to god your just joking.

[Colonel]

Colonol what regions have you guys liberated?

I guess HSM decided to just retreat from Lower Jubba by themselves...

Yusuf Hajji will no longer be minister of defense as soon as Kenyatta makes his new administration

Has Kenyatta told you that himself?

yet during his reign you know what happened to Garrissa by the Kenyan army.

The Kenyan Parliament (which is also run by an Ogadeni Politician) launched an investigation into the Garissa crackdown.

Deputy Speaker Farah Maalim allowed a request by the Administration and National Security and the Defence and Foreign Relations committees to probe the November 10 Baragoi killings in which 42 police officers were killed by bandits.

The House also ordered that the team comprising members of the committees on Justice and Legal Affairs and Equal Opportunities to inquire into the chaos that rocked Garissa town following the killing of three Kenya Defence Forces personnel and Nairobi’s Eastleigh Estate violence after a grenade attack on a moving vehicle that killed seven people on Sunday.

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Parl ... index.html

And don't get me on Raskambooni navy seals, I hope to god your just joking.

You guys seriously need to relax a bit, this Jubbaland issue really is getting to your heads. Yes it is a joke, have a look at page 6 for an explanation.

[SultanOrder]

Colonel, only 3/5 of the districts in Lower Jubba are free, that is Kismaayo, Afmadow, and Bu'ale. That leaves Xagar and Jamaame in the hands of Alshabab, and 100% of Middle Jubba. Now, don't think whole districts are free, just the cities, for the country side that is still the domain of alshabab, even 10k outside of Kismaayo Alshabab can move freely.

As for Yusuf Hajji, he is most likely going to be replaced, most new administrations want to have new ministers. But we shall see.

As for the atrocities of Garrissa despite "investigations" nothing has come to light, nor any prosecutions. Again we shall see.

[Colonel]

Ras Kamboni and the KDF pushed through the majority of Lower Jubba with ease, the only reason the assault ended is because of the ongoing Jubbaland Conference. What reasons does Sade and KDF Gedo for the slow progress?

Your point about Minister Yusuf Haji is an assumption therefore I won't address it. Finally investigations take time, months of even years here in the West yet we expect corrupt African countries to come up with an answer at once?

[SultanOrder]

Ras Kamboni and the KDF pushed through the majority of Lower Jubba with ease, the only reason the assault ended is because of the ongoing Jubbaland Conference. What reasons does Sade and KDF Gedo for the slow progress?

Your point about Minister Yusuf Haji is an assumption therefore I won't address it. Finally investigations take time, months of even years here in the West yet we expect corrupt African countries to come up with an answer at once?

It took Kenya nearly a year, and that was with most of it's 5,000 ground force, plus air support, and a naval blockade of Kismaayo. And still it took them nearly a year going a few hundred Killometers. Colonel don't forget that we have been following Somalia's affairs closely. And still, only 3/5 of L.Jubba's main cities are free. While Gedo has Beledxaawo, Luuq, Garbaharay, and Dolow free, all in a shorter time span. Only Baardheere district is under Alshabab.

Anyways, before we get stuck in the details, all I'm saying is your inflating RasKambooni/Ogaden's position.

[ModerateMuslim]

marehan have historically been irrelevant in the jubbas. jva days are an outlier. sure, hag might have replaced cayr as marehan's surrogate (although only in name), but this time the wamo natives are more organized (even if they sold their souls to fufus).

[xaliye123]

why can u get along with each other?

yaab iyo amakaag.

[Colonel]

Perfect Order,

I haven't heard of any progress made in Gedo concerning Sade troops with the backing of Kenyans and apparently Ethiopians too. A few months ago there was a 'race to Kismayo' yet Sade troops have been stuck in the same place for Lord knows how long. Furthermore RK troops have been in charge of Kismayo's and the Conference's security, on the other hand Sade troops have no excuse for not making any progress for months as the large majority of their troops are in Gedo and free of policing the hotspot that is Kismayo.

What do you think will happen once the Conference concludes? Ras Kamboni and KDF will move towards Middle Jubba and HSM will once again retreat to the countryside. That time the race to Middle Jubba will be between Ras Kamboni and the SFG while you'll still be focused on capturing Bardheere.