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Re: Hundreds dead in Egypt as army cracks down on sit ins

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Arabman wrote:
Mondey wrote:Breaking, the son of Mohamed Badiic (General leader of MB) is reported dead!

175 Morsi supporters died on Friday.

Interim govt. is discussing banning and dissolving of MB altogether.

is it the last days of MB ?
This along with the young daughter of another MB leader who was killed is proof that the Muslim Brotherhood aren't elitists who wouldn't send their children to the frontlines (protest, demonstration, sit-in, etc).
death toll countrywide since Wednesday is 1300 mostly pro Morsi !

It's very clear by now army and secular groups want MB out. this army is more brutal than the Syrian army!

Islamist parties must unite, they should work some sort of coalition to avoid this horrific crackdown on MB.

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The Ikhwan were in a terrible position because, being the largest cohesive post-mubarak political party, they were destined to take over a crumbling state in transition. It didn't help that there were deep state elements working for their failure as well. Moving the country forward though requires building institutions and the rule of law. If the opposition voted him out instead of backing a coup Egypt would be on a totally different path because THE SYSTEM would have legitimacy. If you don't have respect of THE SYSTEM there can never be a peaceful transfer of power. Mubarak dealt with this by just assuring there is no transfer of power. Now, there is no system, there is just the streets and that doesn't help anyone. It is not peaceful AND there is no transfer of power. Egypt has problems. It had problems. It will continue to have problems for some time. There are structural issues at play here that no revolution or no man is going to reverse in a short period of time.

If people are going rush to the meydan every time they are dissatisfied and undergo Ir7al-Ir7al syndrome then the country might as well completely abandon the idea of government and just live in the street.
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FAH1223 wrote:The Ikhwan were in a terrible position because, being the largest cohesive post-mubarak political party, they were destined to take over a crumbling state in transition. It didn't help that there were deep state elements working for their failure as well. Moving the country forward though requires building institutions and the rule of law. If the opposition voted him out instead of backing a coup Egypt would be on a totally different path because THE SYSTEM would have legitimacy. If you don't have respect of THE SYSTEM there can never be a peaceful transfer of power. Mubarak dealt with this by just assuring there is no transfer of power. Now, there is no system, there is just the streets and that doesn't help anyone. It is not peaceful AND there is no transfer of power. Egypt has problems. It had problems. It will continue to have problems for some time. There are structural issues at play here that no revolution or no man is going to reverse in a short period of time.

If people are going rush to the meydan every time they are dissatisfied and undergo Ir7al-Ir7al syndrome then the country might as well completely abandon the idea of government and just live in the street.
FAH, all this protesting may be good and helpful to some sect of the people, but how will all this help Egypt economically and better than that how will Egypt ever recover economically knowing they have a huge public debt (that is still staggering downwards) with no financial reserve!

How Egypt is going to survive and not go bankrupt after all this is over will be a miracle to all!

NB; bear in mind that the money they receive from the Gulf and USA's $1,300,000 is only meant for the army and not for the public!
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Breaking; 38 MB died in prison, MOI says cause of death tear gas suffocation in a truck after gunmen tried to free them!
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Individual wrote:FAH, all this protesting may be good and helpful to some sect of the people, but how will all this help Egypt economically and better than that how will Egypt ever recover economically knowing they have a huge public debt (that is still staggering downwards) with no financial reserve!

How Egypt is going to survive and not go bankrupt after all this is over will be a miracle to all!

NB; bear in mind that the money they receive from the Gulf and USA's $1,300,000 is only meant for the army and not for the public!
My 6th sense tells me the coup had an economic dimension. Morsi, with the help of Turkey and Qatar, was on the verge of improving the economy and freeing Egypt from its dependence on the US, EU, IMF and other debt-inducing organizations. This has caused paranoia among Israel, the US, EU and slavery-causing international organizations (World Bank, IMF, etc). The idea of a debt-free, economically independent and vibrant (a la Turkey) Egypt was too traumatic to them, hence the conspiracy and the green light to al-Sissi (US-educated, trained, financed, etc) to overthrow Morsi. This might sound conspiratorial, but don't be surprised if it's declassified at some point in the future.
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Arabman wrote:
Individual wrote:FAH, all this protesting may be good and helpful to some sect of the people, but how will all this help Egypt economically and better than that how will Egypt ever recover economically knowing they have a huge public debt (that is still staggering downwards) with no financial reserve!

How Egypt is going to survive and not go bankrupt after all this is over will be a miracle to all!

NB; bear in mind that the money they receive from the Gulf and USA's $1,300,000 is only meant for the army and not for the public!
My 6th sense tells me the coup had an economic dimension. Morsi, with the help of Turkey and Qatar, was on the verge of improving the economy and freeing Egypt from its dependence on the US, EU, IMF and other debt-inducing organizations. This has caused paranoia among Israel, the US, EU and slavery-causing international organizations (World Bank, IMF, etc). The idea of a debt-free, economically independent and vibrant (a la Turkey) Egypt was too traumatic to them, hence the conspiracy and the green light to al-Sissi (US-educated, trained, financed, etc) to overthrow Morsi. This might sound conspiratorial, but don't be surprised if it's declassified at some point in the future.
One problem. Morsi and the government were in the ongoing process of getting a $4.8 billion loan from the IMF.
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FAH1223 wrote:One problem. Morsi and the government were in the ongoing process of getting a $4.8 billion loan from the IMF.
With the money they got from Qatar/Turkey, they didn't need the IMF loan. Not to mention, Morsi signed many business/investment deals with both countries.
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AbuQatada wrote: my cousin personally knew the family, we grieve at her loss :(
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Her note about her husband.
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Arabman wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:One problem. Morsi and the government were in the ongoing process of getting a $4.8 billion loan from the IMF.
With the money they got from Qatar/Turkey, they didn't need the IMF loan. Not to mention, Morsi signed many business/investment deals with both countries.
Still seemed like they were gunning for it before the coup
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Arabman wrote:
My 6th sense tells me the coup had an economic dimension. Morsi, with the help of Turkey and Qatar, was on the verge of improving the economy and freeing Egypt from its dependence on the US, EU, IMF and other debt-inducing organizations. This has caused paranoia among Israel, the US, EU and slavery-causing international organizations (World Bank, IMF, etc). The idea of a debt-free, economically independent and vibrant (a la Turkey) Egypt was too traumatic to them, hence the conspiracy and the green light to al-Sissi (US-educated, trained, financed, etc) to overthrow Morsi. This might sound conspiratorial, but don't be surprised if it's declassified at some point in the future.
I love conspiracy theories after all I drank from the Nile, lol. But putting third invisible actors aside, why can't this be power hungry hyenas eliminating one another? Tantawi [out], Morsi [out], Sissi [Out], the Army spokesman [IN] :lol:

Morsi, has phd from USC and 2 of his kids are US citizens.
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Navy,

Morsi is a fool. He should have placated the secular wing and offed them after 3 yrs.
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Economies don't get debt-free and vibrant ala Turkey, surviving on loans. Egypt was/is screwed economically regardless of who is in power.
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Reports: Egypt's ex-president Mubarak may soon be released
Hosni Mubarak, the ex-Egyptian president who was ousted from power in February 2011, could soon be released from detention after being cleared of corruption charges, his lawyer said Monday, according to a Reuters report.

Separately, The New York Times, citing state media, reported via Twitter that judicial authorities and security officials in the nation have ordered Mubarak's release.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... e/2670097/
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Arabman wrote:Reports: Egypt's ex-president Mubarak may soon be released
Hosni Mubarak, the ex-Egyptian president who was ousted from power in February 2011, could soon be released from detention after being cleared of corruption charges, his lawyer said Monday, according to a Reuters report.

Separately, The New York Times, citing state media, reported via Twitter that judicial authorities and security officials in the nation have ordered Mubarak's release.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... e/2670097/
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FAH1223 wrote:
Arabman wrote:Reports: Egypt's ex-president Mubarak may soon be released
Hosni Mubarak, the ex-Egyptian president who was ousted from power in February 2011, could soon be released from detention after being cleared of corruption charges, his lawyer said Monday, according to a Reuters report.

Separately, The New York Times, citing state media, reported via Twitter that judicial authorities and security officials in the nation have ordered Mubarak's release.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... e/2670097/
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what a soap opera!! LOL.
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