A Thread dedicated to the Arab Lovers

[Itrah]

Itrah, stop sounding like a broken record. Let us finish this and once and for all.

I argue that, we do not have a close male ancestor and that your male blood line is closer to a Beja than me. Is that false? Forget about autosomnal data, like I have said, that does not concern me as my interest in genetics is limited to paternal ancestry.

That is not how you usually state it. You often use the trickery by saying just ''closer''. This leads genetics noobs to think something else altogether.

Secondly, I was not referring to that 2004 study solely, the following study was published in June 2014 and it also hypothesises we did not expand into the Horn simultaneously.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1004393
Please, do not insult my intelligence as I am not denying we genetically match very closely but there is no way in hell you can argue against the fact that we are not of the same male blood line

They quoted older studies (Sanchez again) they did no analysis on Y-lineages themselves. The study was focused on autosomal ancestry and all their analysis was done on that.

Essentially it still relying on that 2004 stuff.

[sahal80]

when did my subsubclan got their ancestry test? im likely to be the first to do...autosomal dna is inherited from both parents thats why its about your ethnicity....you cannot judge the people without known their history......im not from the typical group of my clan we have mixing traditions and look like so.

Aren't you from Beledweyne?

Yeah, you are probably mixed

...with Bantus that is.

we look far better than your region but i dont waste my yime n insult other somalis like your weakself do. again you know shyt about me im not the typical reer beledweyne either we have cad cad affiliations and look more caucasians.

[Itrah]

we look far better than your region but i dont waste my yime n insult other somalis like your weakself do. again you know shyt about me im not the typical reer beledweyne either we have cad cad affiliations and look more caucasians.

Most ''cad cads'' in Somalia are Swahili Jareer mixed Mulattoes.

Congratulations on being part Bantu. You must be proud.

[zumaale]

Itrah, however you spin it, as thing stand the debate leans towards the two the haplogroups not entering the Horn simultaneously.

I have also always been clear to make it plain that I am referring solely to y-dna so do not blame me for a person misunderstanding what I am referring to.

For the record, let us reach a conclusion that we do not share a common male ancestor on account of us belonging to two completely different y-dna haplogroups in the genetic family tree.

[Itrah]

Itrah, however you spin it, as thing stand the debate leans towards the two the haplogroups not entering the Horn simultaneously.

LOL, so you believe Somalis ONLY had E-V32 before T came in?

A population with only ONE haplogroup does not exist anywhere in the world. Especially not one that is 8000 years old.

The odds of the Dir T being a recent entrant is so ridiculously low that I am honestly shocked that you even believe that.

[zumaale]

Itrah, however you spin it, as thing stand the debate leans towards the two the haplogroups not entering the Horn simultaneously.

LOL, so you believe Somalis ONLY had E-V32 before T came in?

A population with only ONE haplogroup does not exist anywhere in the world. Especially not one that is 8000 years old.

The odds of the Dir T being a recent entrant is so ridiculously low that I am honestly shocked that you even believe that.

I do not believe anything in regard to when the two haplogroups entered the Horn only Allah knows for sure. I am just referencing the hypothesis spouted by the scientific community.

What is certain is that the two haplogroups do not share a common male ancestor.

So as to put this repetitive debate to rest, do you disagree with my statement that we do not have a recent common male ancestor in contrast to how close you and a E-V32 Beja are paternally speaking?

[Itrah]

I do not believe anything in regard to when the two haplogroups entered the Horn only Allah knows for sure. I am just referencing the hypothesis spouted by the scientific community.

What community? lol. It is just one guy who proposed that in 2004 without any further updates.

Maybe if the Dir weren't so poor and more were on FTDNA we could do a private analysis with 67 STRs and put this debate to rest.

So as to put this repetitive debate to rest, do you disagree with my statement that we do not have a recent common male ancestor in contrast to how close you and a E-V32 Beja are paternally speaking?

An E-V32 carrying Beja, maybe. But not the A & J carrying ones.

[sahal80]

we look far better than your region but i dont waste my yime n insult other somalis like your weakself do. again you know shyt about me im not the typical reer beledweyne either we have cad cad affiliations and look more caucasians.

Most ''cad cads'' in Somalia are Swahili Jareer mixed Mulattoes.

Congratulations on being part Bantu. You must be proud.

I have posted my relatives pics before and they look like nothing bantu otherwise I would have claimed being black. cadcads first settled in us when they were pure and we mixed only with other somslis like my clan

thats the difference do you get that?

this is how they loook like when they mix with bantu


http://different-strands.com/2013/11/04 ... ahmed-ali/

though some of them who r related to my subsubclan look like pure caucasians who claim being natives who got mixed

so in theory im mixed and my clan call us their cadcads and want to find out my ancestry

[Itrah]

I have posted my relatives pics before and they look like nothing bantu otherwise I would have claimed being black. cadcads first settled in us when they were pure and we mixed only with other somslis like my clan

thats the difference do you get that?

this is how they look like when they mix with bantu

http://different-strands.com/2013/11/04 ... med-ali/ot though some of them who r related to my subsubclan look like pure caucasians who claim being natives who got mixed

so in theory im mixed and my clan call us their cadcads and want to find out my ancestry

War Reer Xamar and Barwaani are Swahili trash you moron. Just because they are light due to Arab input does not remove their Swahili part.

[BlackVelvet]

Well I don't come from a family that engaged in such behaviour so, as someone of "mixed" heritage, that's not what I associate marrying out with.

Also I wasn't told horror stories about other qabiils growing up

No offense meant but as a woman you are less likely to have engaged in conversations with male veterans of the Civil War that hail from a diverse group of clans nor are you the type.

Secondly, I am safe in assuming you were too young too have experienced anything from the Civil War. My age group and older who were children or in their teens when the war started could not escape witnessing or coming across these horror stories.

Somalinet must have been a blessing in disguise because you became exposed to the vitriol and hate that Somalis in general harbour for each other as a result of past/present grievances. As a result, I am certain that despite the goodwill you have for other Somalis, there are certain clans that you wish not to marry into. Then again, calafka waa caajib.

I think if a family member did the things you mentioned you would definitely know. Uma bahnid odayal to tell you

I plan on ensuring any children I have are ethnic somalis

You on the other hand could marry an Indonesian and they would still be Dir. Since women don't matter....apparently

[zumaale]

Itrah

Dude, the 2014 study does not rely on the Sanchez study alone, please stop twisting things. The references quoted for their statements are from a variety of studies done after 2004.

Y chromosome data are also suggestive of at least two episodes of non-African migration into the HOA prior to 3 ka. First, HOA populations carry E-M78 Y chromosomes at high frequencies [40], [41]. E-M78 originated in northeastern Africa around 19 ka with a descendant lineage (E-V32) unique to the HOA that arrived by at least 6 ka [41]. Because northern African populations in this timeframe are inferred to have substantial non-African ancestry [42], [43], the expansion south of E-M78 could have introduced non-African ancestry into the HOA prior to 6 ka. Second, some HOA populations carry moderate to high frequencies of T-M70 (previously K2-M70) Y chromosomes [44]–[46]. The T haplogroup originated in the area of the Levant approximately 21 ka and the T-M70 sub-haplogroup was present in northeast Africa by at least 14 ka, possibly arriving in the HOA as early as 5 ka [44], [45], [47].

Furthermore, the timespan they quote is totally different to Sanchez. In Sanchez's study they state that T expanded in the Horn 3500 k whereas in this study they hypothesise 5k. So drop the misinformation please.

Secondly, we Dirs are mostly not obsessed with proving an Arab link unlike your clan , hence, why we do no rush to test ourselves. I did it to see whether there was any connection between the Dire Dawa Dirs and Surres.

Latly, thank you for finally acknowledging the fact that we do not share a common male ancestor.

[Itrah]

Itrah

Dude, the 2014 study does not rely on the Sanchez study alone, please stop twisting things. The references quoted for their statements are from a variety of studies done after 2004.

Furthermore, the timespan they quote is totally different to Sanchez. In Sanchez's study they state that T expanded in the Horn 3500 k whereas in this study they hypothesise 5k. So drop the misinformation please.

Brah, did you even go to university? Just look at the references he uses to make that claim. It is not a de novo analysis but a regurgitation of Sanchez.

The other two references did not do any analysis on Somali T and are put there to support the claim on where T originated.

Egg on your face

[zumaale]

I think if a family member did the things you mentioned you would definitely know. Uma bahnid odayal to tell you

I plan on ensuring any children I have are ethnic somalis

You on the other hand could marry an Indonesian and they would still be Dir. Since women don't matter....apparently

So that rules out certain folk

The bloodline flows through males. So my kids, whatever the Hooyo is, will always belong to my Qoolo and will be Somali by default.

There are some experiences that can only be obtained from primary sources who are not necessarily relatives or being in a war zone as they occur.

[zumaale]

Itrah

Dude, the 2014 study does not rely on the Sanchez study alone, please stop twisting things. The references quoted for their statements are from a variety of studies done after 2004.

Furthermore, the timespan they quote is totally different to Sanchez. In Sanchez's study they state that T expanded in the Horn 3500 k whereas in this study they hypothesise 5k. So drop the misinformation please.

Brah, did you even go to university? Just look at the references he uses to make that claim. It is not a de novo analysis but a regurgitation of Sanchez.

The other two references did not do any analysis on Somali T and are put there to support the claim on where T originated.

Egg on your face

The 2011 study did research on Ethiopian T haplogroup carriers and what is the likelihood of them being different than Somali T haplogroup carriers?

Furthermore, the time span they suggested is completely different to Sanchez's so stop regurgitating the lie that their conclusions are exactly the same.

Lastly, you are the one who brings unsubstantiated anecdotal facts to this debate by constantly arguing they migrated together when you do not have any shred of evidence so please spare the pseudo-intellectual crap.

So, again, we come to the same point. There is no proof that they migrated together and I am not of the same blood line as you Mr E-V32. Nothing you say can change those two facts.

[Itrah]

The 2011 study did research on Ethiopian T haplogroup carriers and what is the likelihood of them being different than Somali T haplogroup carriers?

Furthermore, the time span they suggested is completely different to Sanchez's so stop regurgitating the lie that their conclusions are exactly the same.

On the references for the T quote:

Reference 44 = Sanchez - for those dates.
Reference 45 = Soodyall - on T in general and its Levant origin. NOTHING about the Horn of Africa dates/sub-clades.
Reference 47 = Cinnioğlu - used as a backup for #45, nothing about Somalis.

Plaster was only quoted for the fact that there is a high frequency of T in the Horn, nothing else. #46. In Plaster's study they have not performed a TMRCA like Sanchez did either.

Back to square one essentially.

Lastly, you are the one who brings unsubstantiated anecdotal facts to this debate by constantly arguing they migrated together when you do not have any shred of evidence so please spare the pseudo-intellectual crap.

It is not pseudo-intellectual. Find me a population with only one y-lineage that is 8000 years old. When you do, your theory of separate origins stands a chance. Occam's razer.