Dear ignorant waxmagarato: Rape/Ceeb culture absolutely does exist in Somali society& culture

[Lamagoodle]

Geri and Kaafiye, as ppl claiming to be "Muslims", you should avoid lying and please cease with the constant name calling..

This is my last response to you; so let me be clear here:
a) I would never ban you for calling me names. You have the liberty to do that
b) Do not assassnte the characters of other member who disagree with you
c) If there is a slight suspicion that you are advocating/ spreading wahabism/Salafism you risk not only beingbanned but u also face prosecution for criminal offenses in the countries you domicile in. This is very important because our ppl are under the spotlight and so is this forum.
d) Do not partake in bigotry/racism rants.


Finally, if you think you are a good muslim, try to live by that; convince those you disagree with; use arguments. What you have thus far done on somalinet is against the basic foundation of the religion you claim to hold dearly. Think about that!

Now, enjoy your stay on somalinet and contribute without breaking the rules or promoting hatred and death.

[Kaafiye]

Geri and Kaafiye, as ppl claiming to be "Muslims", you should avoid lying and please cease with the constant name calling..

This is my last response to you; so let me be clear here:
a) I would never ban you for calling me names. You have the liberty to do that
b) Do not assassnte the characters of other member who disagree with you
c) If there is a slight suspicion that you are advocating/ spreading wahabism/Salafism you risk not only beingbanned but u also face prosecution for criminal offenses in the countries you domicile in. This is very important because our ppl are under the spotlight and so is this forum.
d) Do not partake in bigotry/racism rants.


Finally, if you think you are a good muslim, try to live by that; convince those you disagree with; use arguments. What you have thus far done on somalinet is against the basic foundation of the religion you claim to hold dearly. Think about that!

Now, enjoy your stay on somalinet and contribute without breaking the rules or promoting hatred and death.

Don't insult our intelligence and claim to be fair and balanced. You are FAR from an impartial Moderator and you are the worst Mod on this forum.

You keep accusing us of being a "Salafi/Wahhabi" despite my constant denial of being one. You don't even know what a Wahhabi is you blithering moron. You just want to use these terms in an attempt to sound smart, yet you don't even know the meaning behind it.

And now you've resorted to openly supporting liberal degenerates such as SaciidAyanleh, Dr-Yalaxoow and Leftist. Despite your admitted lack of knowledge on Islam, you still resort to defending these characters because deep down you implicitly agree with them.

Crack open a copy of the Prophet's biography. Or better yet just purchase a Quran. Because your extreme lack of knowledge on our Deen is embarrassing. You're a grown ass man yet you don't know the basic fundamentals of Islam. And now you expect me to take you seriously.

[gegiroor]

So, now again is the reminder of the rules in SNET?

Why does Dr Lama always take refuge in these rules? Of course, it is Dr Lama's comfort zone when he feels a bit of a heat from these comments!

This guy claimed he knows nothing about Islam, yet he states this, "If there is a slight suspicion that you are advocating/ spreading wahabism/Salafism you risk not only beingbanned but u also face prosecution for criminal offenses." Waar you need quit hating Muslims. How can someone have so much hate for one particular Muslim group when he knows nothing about Islam? Dr Lama, your hypocrisy is way into the open.

First it was the threat of banning, but again, Dr Lama has issued another threat that he will use the law enforcement agencies of US and Canada against Gegiroor and Kaafiye Ok I remember Dr Lama talking about making many trips and catching flights, so I guess he has let cat out of the guy - basically, who he works for.

Dr Lama, where did you earn your doctorate? Is it one of those they sell online? How can anyone be so dumb on assuming Salafi Muslims are being watched in the USA? A huge portion of American Muslims, if not majority, follow the Salafi school of thought and this guy thinks they are being watched. Sir, your threat is a hogwash. Unless one is in danger to the public, the authority here don't bother anyone.

Do not partake i n bigotry/racism rants.

More like don't talk about my atheist buddies and don't make any threads about the thug culture in AAs ansd Caribs.

Waar I am going to stay on message. You go ahead and carry out your threats of banning me. What is this? A place you can bash Salafi Muslims, a place you protect your atheist fella and all the filth they preach here, and we can't say any thing. This is a Somali forum and 97% of whom are Sunni Muslims. We want the forum to reflect the popular will of Somalis. If any of your atheist and Muslim-hating buddies express their hate here, we're gonna bust their arses. Garbage in, garbage out. You're waving your little MOD privileges as if it is the end of the world. What an insecurity!!

[Ismail87]

Ismaciilow, sidaad u fahantay ma aha xaalku saaxib. The assertion that Islam needs reformation does not mean the basic doctrine that needs to be reformed (I,e, the quran). It is the canons (i.e. the books/perspectives /interpretation of Salafism needs to be reformed. Unfortunately, for the past centuries, the wahabi school (petrodollar islam) mainly based on arab culture has become the conventional wisdom.

Don’t you think that the islam that supports suicide bombing should be reformed? The kind of venom that underlies the murder of innocent people? The kind of acrimony that has engulfed the ummah; the kind that the somalis have been forced to sniff the past two decades? The kind of books that give religious backing to evil?

In order to understand Dr. Leftist, you have to put into context what has been happening the past two decades to our people. And that is where reformation is needed.

Waan gartay laakin there's only one Islam. Suicide bombing, takfiirism and etc is not authentic Islam so I think it is erroneous to say "Islam needs reformation". We need to eliminate dangerous doctrines but none of that Ayan Hirsi mantra please.
Ujeedada Leftist inaad fahansantahay uma malaynayo, meeshana waa lagu batay saxib markaa I will send you a pm soon if time allows me

[Leftist]

What do you propose as a solution? Somalis are pretty good at identifying problems but they suck at problem solving. It looks like you are bothered more by the fact that somalis "deny" the "widespread" of rape in our community and suppress rape victims than the fact that the problem needs to go away. In other words, you want to make a point that rape is swept under the carpet in our community and just that.

Solution:

- Conduct lectures/seminars/halaqas/duroos at the masjid, at the local somali center, at youth groups; where awareness is raised regarding how rampantly pervasive & insidious rape is in the Somali community. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The world has no greater hypocrites who live in denial than us Muslims(in general) and us Somalis(in particular). So the first step in destroying the flimsy veil of denial, is to invite a social worker to the masjid where she(preferably a she, and preferably wearing her regular office clothes), armed with facts, data, and actual cases, gives a lecture and talks about the Somali girl who was raped and impregnated by her uncle, or the wife who was repeatedly raped by her husband because, as Jamaacatu wal Salaf will insist, it's impossible for a wife to be raped by her husband, it's his RIGHT, and he's just exercising his right. And it's not just rape. It's child-molestation, it's incest, it's pederasty, it's domestic violence. ALL of that is happening in Somali & Muslim communities on the regular; the notion that we are "special" or "moral" or have some "purity" is laughable. So bring in the Franklin County social worker, and the Hennipen County Social Worker, and have them tell you about that one time, after dugsi, where Yung-Cabdi raped Lil' Sacdiyo because he knew she would keep quiet thanks to Ceeb/Shaming culture, and how Lil Sacdiyo went on a binge of self-destruction: indiscriminate sex(because she's "ruined"), multiple abortions, substance abuse; a future ruined, a life destroyed. Mean-while Yung-Cabdi made "towba"(how convenient) and became a "shaykh", he memorized boqol iyo afar iyo tobanka; he goes to school and becomes a respiratory therapist, BUT Yung-Cabdi can't leave his perverted nature behind, and he molests multiple patients while they are under sedation, and then he leads Salaatul Jumcah and Taraweeh.

Here is Yung-Cabdi today: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a ... -1.2986446

- More importantly, we are a secretive, insular community where a huge emphasis is placed on bullshit "values" like: Honor, Family Name, Saving-Face, and that favorite of beesha dugaag wal xoolo: Shame, oh how they love them some Shame, especially slut-shaming, the very essence of ceeb culture. So the antidote to that is to foster and promote an atmosphere of brutal honesty and blunt truth-telling, Have the Imam give a lecture of how he was addicted to porn for years, and actually still is ( http://www.muslimlinkpaper.com/communit ... ction.html) ; Have Elder Adeer Jaamac talk about that time he went out with friends, got drunk, got into a fight, got charged with felony assualt and vandalism, and that's why he's unemployed, because no employer will touch him with felony assault on his record. Have Jamacaatu Kaafiye wal Zumaale wal Salaf come in and talk about how they were molested as children by various Sacuudi mashaayikh and tulaab, thanks to extreme gender-segregation ( www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=320575 ), and in the Holy-Lands, Bilaad-ul-Xaramayn where a consensual make-out sesh with a woman/girl is a great sin(zina of the lips!), but raping boys is a national past-time going back centuries to the Umayyads/Abbasids,(entire works of art where written about "boy-love"(pedantry-rape) known as ghilmaniyat; don't take my word for it, google it, brought to you by the exclusive sponsor of perverted deviance: religious dogma)

Let's drag all that shit out to daylight(sunlight is the best disinfectant) and talk about it. No change will occur, no healing will happen, without brutal honesty and open discussion regarding taboo-topics.

So that's my solution. Will it be implemented? No. The Men of the Cloth and the sheeple they control won't have it, and that's why the Reformation will be shoved down their throats, can yadin wa hum saaghiroon.

[Leftist]

LOL Gegigoor, I have been informed of these great threads which were introduced by Dr. Leftist in my absence. I was AWOL for nearly a month. When I returned, my sources informed me about them; in addition, I was also informed that you claimed I was Dr. Leftist (don't deny that during this month of ramadan!!). How dare you make such a comparison. Dr. Leftist is an islamic scholar of the highest order, Jaalle Lamagoodle never passed past Tabaarak!!!!!

Dr. Leftist is our Hegel, Marx and all the other great men with ideas. Lamagoodle is a simpleton .

Mahad-sanid for the kind words, Brofasoore Lamagoodle, it means alot coming from the Nurideen Farah of Cyberspace.

[Leftist]

Leftist

Ina Adeer, much kudos to you how you stir the pot here and bring forth issues that warrant to be discussed. Your inflammatory style is always directed at those who consider themselves to be guardians of our culture with no hear/read evil about it and claim that we possess a perfect culture. Some have a point in stating rape is a decadent global issue, however like everywhere else going through a civil war, Rape has been used widely as a weapon of war in Somalia. Furthermore, sexual violence is under reported in Somalia for many different reasons. Just google Rape in Somalia and you will see U.N reports stating it is rampant in Somalia. We can't get rid of this evil if we keep denying it. Do we have a rape culture? I don't think so. You need to convince your esteemed readers how our culture will tolerate such a despicable act.

Mahad-sanid Awoowe Makaveli, and I'm glad that you understand that my inflammatory style is meant to wake ppl up, it is the equivalent of slapping a drug addict in the face, sometimes that is the only thing that will jolt him back to reality. Hence, my inflammatory style and karbaash of those who are in need of karbaash.

[Leftist]

Do we have a rape culture? I don't think so.

So, Makavelli, let do something that is almost never done in Somalinet: make a retraction and and correct a mistake.

You see, awoowe, I misspoke. The title of this thread should read: Rape/Ceeb is ingrained in Somali society, not culture. Somali culture(fanka, sugaanta, dhaqanka) does not accept or tolerate rape, but Somali PEOPLE and Somali SOCIETY, absolutely does accept, tolerate, and in some cases, promotes rape.

So I agree with you that we do not have a rape "culture", there is nothing in our poetry(Poet Nation) or our music or our story-telling that tolerates rape; but we most definitely do have a rape epidemic where rape is accepted, tolerated, and in some cases(ie, wife-snatching), promoted within the Somali community, both in the diaspora and "back home" as well.

To avoid getting bogged down in semantics, let me just say: We have, and always have had, a rape epidemic, that has been kept hidden and taboo-ised by our honor-based, secretive, "shaming" dhaqan

[Leftist]

He was coming to her house again. Little Noreen's heart skipped a beat; her legs froze. She looked around. Everyone was busy, but she couldn''t find anything to do to distract her thoughts. She wanted to hide. She wanted to run. She knew the ritual of his visit; his eyes staring her down, the evil lecherous smile on his face which only she could see while the rest of the family saw as the expression of a loving elder relative

Once the family got busy talking, he would take Noreen into a room, and force her to do things she never knew could be done. Sometimes he forced his hands inside her clothes and touched her private areas. No one had ever talked to her about her body parts but she could feel it wasn\'t right. Sometimes, when he wanted to be touched, he forced her hands inside his pants. Her little hands would shake, her body would tremble, but how could she refuse? She was very young, 5, perhaps 6 and very scared. She knew something was wrong. She shouldn\'t be doing this, she shouldn\'t be here. She wanted to scream but he put his hand on her mouth; she wanted to run to her mother, but he put a sharp knife on her neck threatening to kill her if she ever said a word to anyone.

This hadn\'t happened just once. As he built his confidence, he started having his private meetings with her more often. Sometimes he would even tie her hands, and sometimes he would even tape her mouth so he could take total advantage of his hands and hers. In almost each meeting, there was something new; there was something different. He advanced from touching to kissing to hugging; at times with clothes and at times without clothes. He forced her to engage orally with him, and he showed her how to touch herself in a perverse way [masturbation]; he made her experience everything, only stopping at rape. He had full access to her whenever and wherever he wanted And why wouldn\'t he?

He was her mother\'s nephew; her own elder cousin. After a few incidents the little child gathered up her courage and tried to tell her mother.

That should solve it right? She goes to her mom and mommy makes the bad man go away; mommy makes it all right. Because Mothers would do anything for their children, right? Even in the wild, animals will tear you apart limb by limb if you get close to their ubad. But not when stinking ceeb/shame culture combines with shitty dogma and causes a mother to inflict one of the worst emotional/psychological wounds on her child.

This is how this Somali/Paki/Saudi mother responded:

Little Naureen approached her mother with a trembling body, and fear in her eyes She took little steps towards her mother, the person who was her source of security and protection. She wanted to confide in her mother and find solace. Her mouth felt dry as she talked, gulping down her sobs, but when she looked up at her mother, hoping to be hugged and comforted, her world was shattered by her mother\'s utter disbelief! She felt as if she was under the scorching sun, with no roof above her for shade against the burning heat. She was alone,oh so alone in a home full of her very own. Where else could she go? Whom else could she turn to when her own mother blamed her of imagining things, things that the little girl could not even have known about?

So what have we learned today, kids? That religious dogma + ceeb/shame-culture reduces human beings to a level even lower than wild animals.

http://muslimmatters.org/2009/02/16/sex ... ty-part-i/

[eliteSomali]

What do you propose as a solution? Somalis are pretty good at identifying problems but they suck at problem solving. It looks like you are bothered more by the fact that somalis "deny" the "widespread" of rape in our community and suppress rape victims than the fact that the problem needs to go away. In other words, you want to make a point that rape is swept under the carpet in our community and just that.

Solution:

- Conduct lectures/seminars/halaqas/duroos at the masjid, at the local somali center, at youth groups; where awareness is raised regarding how rampantly pervasive & insidious rape is in the Somali community. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The world has no greater hypocrites who live in denial than us Muslims(in general) and us Somalis(in particular). So the first step in destroying the flimsy veil of denial, is to invite a social worker to the masjid where she(preferably a she, and preferably wearing her regular office clothes), armed with facts, data, and actual cases, gives a lecture and talks about the Somali girl who was raped and impregnated by her uncle, or the wife who was repeatedly raped by her husband because, as Jamaacatu wal Salaf will insist, it's impossible for a wife to be raped by her husband, it's his RIGHT, and he's just exercising his right. And it's not just rape. It's child-molestation, it's incest, it's pederasty, it's domestic violence. ALL of that is happening in Somali & Muslim communities on the regular; the notion that we are "special" or "moral" or have some "purity" is laughable. So bring in the Franklin County social worker, and the Hennipen County Social Worker, and have them tell you about that one time, after dugsi, where Yung-Cabdi raped Lil' Sacdiyo because he knew she would keep quiet thanks to Ceeb/Shaming culture, and how Lil Sacdiyo went on a binge of self-destruction: indiscriminate sex(because she's "ruined"), multiple abortions, substance abuse; a future ruined, a life destroyed. Mean-while Yung-Cabdi made "towba"(how convenient) and became a "shaykh", he memorized boqol iyo afar iyo tobanka; he goes to school and becomes a respiratory therapist, BUT Yung-Cabdi can't leave his perverted nature behind, and he molests multiple patients while they are under sedation, and then he leads Salaatul Jumcah and Taraweeh.

Here is Yung-Cabdi today: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a ... -1.2986446

- More importantly, we are a secretive, insular community where a huge emphasis is placed on bullshit "values" like: Honor, Family Name, Saving-Face, and that favorite of beesha dugaag wal xoolo: Shame, oh how they love them some Shame, especially slut-shaming, the very essence of ceeb culture. So the antidote to that is to foster and promote an atmosphere of brutal honesty and blunt truth-telling, Have the Imam give a lecture of how he was addicted to porn for years, and actually still is ( http://www.muslimlinkpaper.com/communit ... ction.html) ; Have Elder Adeer Jaamac talk about that time he went out with friends, got drunk, got into a fight, got charged with felony assualt and vandalism, and that's why he's unemployed, because no employer will touch him with felony assault on his record. Have Jamacaatu Kaafiye wal Zumaale wal Salaf come in and talk about how they were molested as children by various Sacuudi mashaayikh and tulaab, thanks to extreme gender-segregation ( viewtopic.php?t=320575 ), and in the Holy-Lands, Bilaad-ul-Xaramayn where a consensual make-out sesh with a woman/girl is a great sin(zina of the lips!), but raping boys is a national past-time going back centuries to the Umayyads/Abbasids,(entire works of art where written about "boy-love"(pedantry-rape) known as ghilmaniyat; don't take my word for it, google it, brought to you by the exclusive sponsor of perverted deviance: religious dogma)

Let's drag all that shit out to daylight(sunlight is the best disinfectant) and talk about it. No change will occur, no healing will happen, without brutal honesty and open discussion regarding taboo-topics.

So that's my solution. Will it be implemented? No. The Men of the Cloth and the sheeple they control won't have it, and that's why the Reformation will be shoved down their throats, can yadin wa hum saaghiroon.

Why does what the social worker wears matter? Is there anything wrong with her not wearing her "office" attire? Rape is not unheard of in the Somalia community as any other community across the globe but it is definitely not as prevalent as you make it seem. I've been around longer than you and I can count the amount of times I have been seen/heard a rape case with one single hand. You're trying a little to hard but unfortunately for you, you are wasting your time on the wrong issue. Little Abdi and little Sacdiyo are fictional characters that live in your imagination.

[SomaliWarSavage]

Do we have a rape culture? I don't think so.

So, Makavelli, let do something that is almost never done in Somalinet: make a retraction and and correct a mistake.

You see, awoowe, I misspoke. The title of this thread should read: Rape/Ceeb is ingrained in Somali society, not culture. Somali culture(fanka, sugaanta, dhaqanka) does not accept or tolerate rape, but Somali PEOPLE and Somali SOCIETY, absolutely does accept, tolerate, and in some cases, promotes rape.

So I agree with you that we do not have a rape "culture", there is nothing in our poetry(Poet Nation) or our music or our story-telling that tolerates rape; but we most definitely do have a rape epidemic where rape is accepted, tolerated, and in some cases(ie, wife-snatching), promoted within the Somali community, both in the diaspora and "back home" as well.

To avoid getting bogged down in semantics, let me just say: We have, and always have had, a rape epidemic, that has been kept hidden and taboo-ised by our honor-based, secretive, "shaming" dhaqan

you're an absolute liar, what somali family wouldn't take serious the rape of their daughter. rape does happen due to somalia being a warzone, but is not accepted nor promoted, and has started clan wars in the past.

[Kaafiye]

you're an absolute liar, what somali family wouldn't take serious the rape of their daughter. rape does happen due to somalia being a warzone, but is not accepted nor promoted, and has started clan wars in the past.

It is best not to engage with this Leftist troll. He wants to defame Somali people and make us look like a society of rapists. F This guy.

[InaSamaale]

I haven't read through all the replies but yes rape is kept on the hush hush. Sexual violence isn't the easiest thing to feel safe about reporting. This is standard cross cultures though and isn't specific to the Somali people.


I don't know why people would argue otherwise. Perhaps naivety or simply wilful ignorance.

[jalaaludin5]

The Enemy Within – Al Munafiqeen

One of the most destructive roles in the war between Haq and Batil, the battles between Islam and Kufr is that of some people who claim to be Muslims in order to destroy the Muslims and the Muslim Ummah from within; in particular, when these enemies play their role from within the Muslims rather than openly from the side of the real enemy (i.e. the Kuffar).

Whatever the strength or power of the kuffar may be or whatever they may plot, they can never cause as much damage to us as the enemy within.

It is essential to see what Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (saw) orders us to do about this deadly enemy. Ordinarily, the enemy can never pass the shield, pass the fronts of the Muslims, but if they have one of their people behind this shield then it is easy for the enemy to destroy us from the inside.

They will come to us in the name of the Deen, or /in the name of the Muslim brotherhood. These people can cause destruction for us from within the body of the Muslim Ummah. They can hammer at the Islamic culture and identity which we speak about; they can destroy all our dignity, they can destroy every seed of goodness in the Ummah.

Our real enemy is outside us and not inside and verily they (the Kuffar) knew the fact that they can never defeat us directly or militarily, rather they cannot defeat us except from within.

Always in the past, whenever they try to fight us militarily, the Muslims were undefeated, in fact, we find that whenever we were defeated – it was always actually a defeat from within.

When the enemy realised this, they went to all those people within us, those people who are the apostates, the Munafiqeen, those people who are secular etc. They are the hammer that the kuffar use to destroy us from inside. That is why the enemy outside of us no longer wants to face us face to face; instead they start to rely on our enemy within to fight us.

That is why we are in a very dangerous situation unless we deal with that enemy within. We see them, how they sell out their own deen and honour for a very small price. In the past it was the Baatinis, the Alqamis, and the Raafidis etc who were enemies within. Those enemies from the Munafiqeen always tried to cause destruction for the Muslim Ummah, we see how they come out proudly and loudly declaring their betrayal, they become well respected among the kuffar and that is because they become the ambassadors of the Kufr and the shirk and the representatives of the mushrikeen.

[TheMightyNomad]

I haven't read through all the replies but yes rape is kept on the hush hush. Sexual violence isn't the easiest thing to feel safe about reporting. This is standard cross cultures though and isn't specific to the Somali people.


I don't know why people would argue otherwise. Perhaps naivety or simply wilful ignorance.

People don't report sexual assaults for many reason they feel powerless, or ashamed, or they blamed themselves or just want to move on.

United States 293,000 instances sexual assault each year 68% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police

Canada 100 incidents of sexual assault, only 6 are reported to the police

Uk 473,000 adults being victims of sexual offences with less than 1 percent reporting the crime

Now I don't think American, British or Canadian parents are telling their kids "isku xishood" It's not problem exclusive to just Somalis its a problem with society in general. Most victims keep it to themselves and don't even tell their own parents let alone the police.

I'm sick of you propagating professional victims f-king use your brains for once instead regurgitating some stupid shit you heard from someone else