Bilis wrote:RoobleAlWaliid wrote:
They already tried in the previous regime and I see they are still trying too.
Well said, tell them camarade!
Who is "they"?
You do realize that most of Adal's forces during the
Futuh were from Darod clans, right?
"It may be said in passing, however, that although Somali clans — principally the Habar Magadle Isaaq, the Harti Daarood, and the Mareehaan — played a strong role in Gran's conquest of Abyssinia, these clans went to war not so much as Somalis but as Muslims."
Are you by any chance Habar Magadle? No? Then by your own logic, you are "stealing" their history.
Say no to passive-aggressive nonsense.
Bilis have you even read Futhul Habash?
The passage you just quoted as evidence is from Laitin and Samatar's book via Wikipedia and is not the complete list of clans that took part in the Futhul Habash wars.
Furthermore, in Futhul Habash, the Harti are mentioned as being from Mait in North Eastern Somalia. Clans from a wide geographic area were drawn to the war against the Abyssinians and not necessarily from the Northwestern region.
Countless of clans are mentioned in Futhul Habash such as the Gurgura (Dir) and as a matter of fact the Gurgura provided more troops than the Mareexan or Harti for instance.
E1b1b Somalis were not systematically killed off in Northern Somalia during the Adal Wars as you have argued because the Habashis did not proceed in earnest to Northern Somalia after the death of Axmed Gurey as both they and the remnants of Axmed Gurey's troops were occupied with the Oromo expansion that overwhelmed them. They were occupied with consolidating the lands they reconquered. The battle lines continued to be drawn in the highlands.
It is an established fact among Somalis that Northern Somalia has always been a homeland for Dir clans and the fact that T haplogroup is found among them at high percentages is possibly a reflection of their common paternal ancestry. Take me for example, my clan ancestor is buried in Northern Somalia and his descendants gradually moved South. Now can it be a coincidence that Surres from Southern Somalia who have done a y-dna ancestry test belong to haplogroup T like the majority of their Northern clan kin who have taken the test?
Similarly, it is not a coincidence that Daroods that have been tested are predominately haplogroup E-V32. The six (Somalia) individuals tested by Trombetta are from Puntland and they all belong to E-V32. Even the 40 plus people that were tested in Jijiga by Plaster et al were overwhelmingly E1b1b1. Jijiga is a mainly Darood city with a Dir minority. Whereas, 80 percent or so of the 18 Somalis tested in Dire Dawa were haplogroup T. Moreover, 75 percent of the the Somalis tested in Djibouti ny Trombetta did not belong to E1b1b and could more than likely belong to haplogroup T. I am not saying we have conclusive proof yet as a subclan by subclan test of all Somalis should be conducted. Nonetheless, one cannot deny that there is a noticeable trend in the results coming out so far, be it on an individual basis or in an academic study.
As for the Somali Ethiopians sample used in Trombetta, Allah knows what clan they belonged to as Southern K5 is very diverse and if I am not mistaken they used a sample from Gode zone as the map indicates. The following article is useful in providing an idea of how mixed the zone is as it contains Ogaden, Karanle (Hawiye), Reer Bare (Bantu) and Bajamal (Dir).
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/eue_web/Godezone.htm
Gode zone is one of the areas in Region 5 inhabited by diverse groups of different clan origin. This social diversity is carried further by the presence of a distinct farming group, constituted of an association of Hawiya and Rer Bare, who live in mixed permanent agricultural settlements along the banks of the Webi Shabelle River in Kallafo district. This cultivating mixed group is known in literature as Rer Bare. The Rer Bare, who are associated with the Hawiya in Gode zone, physically resembles minority Bantu cultivating groups that occupy downstream Webi Shabelle and Juba rivers in southern Somalia.
Out of the six districts in Gode zone, two are largely occupied by Hawiya clans (the border districts of Ferfer Fer and Mustahil), two by Ogadeni clans (Gode and Dhanan), while the remaining two are socially mixed and therefore jointly controlled by the Dir and Ogadeni clans of Kallafo and Iimey (see Table 2 for the distribution of clans in the districts of the Gode zone).
Hawadle and Jidle Hawiya clans form the largest groups in the border districts of Fer Fer and Mustahil respectively. Tolomogge and Rer Ugas Nur form the largest Ogadeni clans in Gode and Dhanan districts respectively. Bah Geri clan of the Ogaden and associated Hawiya and Rer Bare form the dominant groups in Kallafo, while Iimey district is jointly controlled by the Duba of the Dir family and Rer Ammadin of the Ogaden. As Table 2 illustrates, the italicised clan represents the largest group of the district. Smaller groups living with the dominant group are not underlined.
, you see I keep it transparent, while you sugarcoat your clannish side with DNA etc.
