Dangers of Revisionist History

[AbdiWahab252]

There are numerous characters here on SNET who practice revisionist history about Somalia.

These individuals paint rosey pictures of Somalia under Siyaad Barre's rule. It may have been rosey for some yet for many others that may have not been the case. I do not blame them at all especially since a majority of his most ardent supporters may happen to hail from his same clan. Yet they fail to recognize the havoc, chaos and carnage committed by the Siyaad Barre regime even to members of his own clan.

If Somalia is to ever achieve any lasting peace, the truth must be told of all Somali leaders. There must be acknowledgement of their role in destroying the nation. Hero worship by legions of Guulwade will never change the facts.

Revisionist history simply adds insult to injury of the victims of the character being glorified.

You may wonder why I have raised this topic, I am just worried about the youth being misinformed about the history of Somalia.

[Gedo_Boy]

Aw252,

The fact is that the majority of Somalis would have not supported warlords against MSBarre if they would have known about the personalities of those who sought to overthrow him.

You are trying to criticize M S Barre in post-civil war Somalia. That is a very uphill task and good luck with it

[AbdiWahab252]

GedoBoy:

U are using Excuse No. 1:

Comparing Barre & his government to Warlords as if the two groups had the same resources, power, goodwill of the people.

The fact was Siyaad Barre came to power by force and was unopposed by any faction militarly.

This was unlike the case of the Rebels who faced threats from each other and from Siyaad's comeback attempt.

[Warsame101]

Look at this moron, what makes you an authority of history considering that you have never experienced the civil war and consider Caydiid the 'father of Somalia' and the ultimatate provider of your miracously and yet peculiar apple.

History is analytical followed by substantiated evidence but an ignoramus like you would know nothing about it since you consider everyone's word as verified piece of history.

[Gedo_Boy]

Aw252,

any way you slice it the events of history are not on your side. But why keep the obsession w/ M S Barre's legacy? Why do you feel compelled like you have to make a thread every now and then like you need to alter public opinion about him?

Leave him be.

[AbdiWahab252]

Warsame101,

Dang you are extremely hot and bothered about this.

Siyaad Barre was no angel. Nor was the Caydiid. They both made severe mistakes and contributed to the destruction of Somalia.

A few posts from Western journals which had limited access to report from Somalia due to media restrictions practiced by the Barre regime will not change a thing.

Oral history is a key component of Somali history.



GedoBoy:

I am forced to rebutt some of the Guulwade Kids here who paint a oversimplistic image of Siyaad Barre as a magnanimous ruler.

[Basra-]

' I am just worried about the youth being misinformed about the history of Somalia."


U mean the Marexaan offsprings slash Garaacs?? They seem to make Marexaan 'Hip' and the fashion thing here in SN. Sad...walaal

[Warsame101]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Warsame101,

Dang you are extremely hot and bothered about this.

Siyaad Barre was no angel. Nor was the Caydiid. They both made severe mistakes and contributed to the destruction of Somalia.

A few posts from Western journals which had limited access to report from Somalia due to media restrictions practiced by the Barre regime will not change a thing.

Oral history is a key component of Somali history.
[/quote]

I guess the saying "if you keep repeating the same lies, it eventually be taken as the truth" holds true as as it accurately applies to you. You keep repeating same tired-old allegations and then accuses me of being 'bothered' about it. I am bothered at your broken-record statements.


Do you even know what revisionism stands for? A certain aspects of historical revisionism stands for people who learn certain information about events but are educated about the truth later on but plainly refuse to accept it.

A simple case of you. I am talking to a man who considers Caydiid the father of Somalia, who regards the 1991 civil as a war of revolution and who tries to transfer Caydiid's genocidal and destructive actions to Cali Mahdi.

sxb, who are you kidding. I don't even take you serious.

[AbdiWahab252]

Warsame101,

Let me startle you.


Caydiid was no angel. He was a controversial figure. To some segments he was a hero, to others a villian.

Caydiid was a man who came to power in great part to Siyaad's authoritarian rule and Siyaad's campaign against Somalis all over Somalia.

[Luq_Ganane]

A/Wahab, so are you denying that, the incompetence of the "leaders" after Siyad Barre (Caydid, AY, M Dhere, Riyaale Qanyare etc.), adn the stupidity of the people following them has nothing to do with Somalias state? How neat to masquerade a nations stupdity and nacasnimo by dumping it at the feet of a man who died more than ten years ago. Theres dictators in every land, every time. They get repaced and the state moves on. Don't blame the anti-civilization of Somalis on one man. The bottom line is I blame the stupid Somali citizens (civilians) who follow these idiots and never one time question them. Worshiping of political leaders (MSB included) is not right. However one thing is for sure: Your better off worshiping MSB than any of the clown "politicians" that came after him.

[Warsame101]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Warsame101,

Let me startle you.


Caydiid was no angel. He was a controversial figure. To some segments he was a hero, to others a villian.

Caydiid was a man who came to power in great part to Siyaad's authoritarian rule and Siyaad's campaign against Somalis all over Somalia.[/quote]

AbdiWahhab, you were singing a different tune, a couple months back.

If you really want to debate history with me, you need to provide your sources, simple and plain.

If you ever enter an Islamic discussion/debate, they expect that you know your stuff and be able to cite it whenever necessary (whether its the ahadith, the statements of the imams, etc.). Oral history won't cut it in online discussion, I can claim certain things and base it on my observation. This is why oral history is considered a subjective and personal evidence.

Even during the Prophet's (SCW) time, time and effort was made to write down the ahadith, sciences were developed for narration, and this was at a time when Muslim Arabs were known for their excellent memorisation skills.

They would refrain from transmitting orally without consulting their scripts.

[paidmonk]

Caydiid was a Mujahid. I will not step down against it. When other leaders were selling their own people out, this man came to the forefront. He was not the most successful politician, but he was a Mujahid for the Habar Gidir clan. If he was around today, this current division would not have existed.

[DawladSade]

[quote="Warsame101"]I guess the saying "if you keep repeating the same lies, it eventually be taken as the truth" holds true as as it accurately applies to you. You keep repeating same tired-old allegations and then accuses me of being 'bothered' about it. I am bothered at your broken-record statements.


Do you even know what revisionism stands for? A certain aspects of historical revisionism stands for people who learn certain information about events but are educated about the truth later on but plainly refuse to accept it.

A simple case of you. I am talking to a man who considers Caydiid the father of Somalia, who regards the 1991 civil as a war of revolution and who tries to transfer Caydiid's genocidal and destructive actions to Cali Mahdi.

sxb, who are you kidding. I don't even take you serious.[/quote]

[Cilmiile]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]There are numerous characters here on SNET who practice revisionist history about Somalia.

These individuals paint rosey pictures of Somalia under Siyaad Barre's rule. It may have been rosey for some yet for many others that may have not been the case. I do not blame them at all especially since a majority of his most ardent supporters may happen to hail from his same clan. Yet they fail to recognize the havoc, chaos and carnage committed by the Siyaad Barre regime even to members of his own clan.

If Somalia is to ever achieve any lasting peace, the truth must be told of all Somali leaders. There must be acknowledgement of their role in destroying the nation. Hero worship by legions of Guulwade will never change the facts.

Revisionist history simply adds insult to injury of the victims of the character being glorified.

You may wonder why I have raised this topic, I am just worried about the youth being misinformed about the history of Somalia.[/quote]


You are also a revisionist. You claim that Siyaad lost power when Sacad were massacred in Docol.

If you rank all the reasons for Siyaad's fall, this one would be #97 out of 100.

[AbdiWahab252]

[quote="paidmonk"]Caydiid was a Mujahid. I will not step down against it. When other leaders were selling their own people out, this man came to the forefront. He was not the most successful politician, but he was a Mujahid for the Habar Gidir clan. If he was around today, this current division would not have existed.[/quote]


paidMonk