Your opinion of Mudulood and Abgaal Peoples

[Twisted_Logic]

What is your opinion of Mudulood/Abgal people and Gheedi?

[Somali2003]

Twisted logic, good topic. I think Mudolood in general have a big stake in the TFG if they intend to free themselves from the clutches of Habar Gidir.

" Abgaal, however, has the strongest kinship claim to Mogadishu because they have traditionally inhabited the land to the north, starting from Mogadishu itself extending to parts in the Central regions. The control of Mogadishu by the Habar Gidir started with the onslaught of General Aideed’s forces in the early nineties and later continued through Aideed, the son. The Djibouti sponsored Arta Conference of 2000 had crowned yet another Habar Gidir actor to temporarily displace and partially replace Aideed, the son, who hail from the Sa’ad, another Habar Gidir sub-lineage, transferring control to the Ayr sub-clan of the Habar Gidir, as of then. The Habar Gidir subclan, and particularly the Ayr in later years, has taken full control not only of Mogadishu, but also of places as far South as Kismayo and its environs."

"the more mellowed Abgaal remained patient in the hope that a national government would one day come to place to restore Mogadishu to its former national Capital status. Today, however, even with the TFG in place, they continue to pay the highest price in terms of civilian lives lost, in terms of assassinations executed and in terms of the casualties to the bombing and shelling because they are willing to host the national government as a way to get rid of the Ayr control, if for nothing else. The Habar Gidir in its entirety, by the way, comes from the central regions of Somalia."


Arguing from the perspective of this reality, I would think Abgal's hope and survival lies with the TFG. They should not squander this chance as Abdilahi and his Majerten are ready to empower the emasculated Abgal and liberate his territory from Habargidir.

[Password]

^ You can't have a national government(or call such entity a government) if it serves the interests of your clan and that of other clans you consider friendly or fools whom you can use to further your nonworking unislamic focked up beliefs.

Clan based systems never work for the nepotism and the hatred they engender among clans, a fact that is clear in your rants against HabarGidir. Besides, is Ayr interchangeable with HabarGidir? you seem to be confused.


Somalia has no future when guys like you have this warped low mentality. Living in the west should have taught you about useful lessons in governance and how different people can live in peace and under a just sytem.

[Somali2003]

I consider Abgaal great nationalists and peacelovers. Derisnimo Abgaal baa loogu tagaa, ayey Soomali ku maahmaahdaa. The Abgaal really suffered the most during the civil war. Something has to be done about the Hobesian Jungle, which rendered one clan and its territory a victim of the prevailing circumstances.

[Somali2003]

This article is in regards to Ghedi-Yusuf conflict of interest.

Speaking Truth to Power

Heikal I. Kenneded

The bitter dispute between President Yusuf and Prime Minister Ghedi that came into a full blow last week, underscores the fragile state of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia. It is also a grim reminder that the TFG leadership is sadly mired in personal greed and a despotic agenda that threaten to our dream for a viable nation-state in the Horn of Africa. After almost two decades of political squabble and anarchic living, Somali politics have taken a new turn towards further devastation and eradication of our history as we all know it. We all hoped that the Mbagathi peace conference in Kenya that brought to fruition the current TFG would give a new lease on life to the reconciliation and healing process of our society. Following the successful ousting of the callous and incorrigible warlords out of Mogadishu by the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), the TFG leadership failed to seize the moment to rally around the different parties that were vying to run the show, including the ICU. Instead, the "perfect storm," started afterwards, brewed from the perspective of destruction and displacement of the people and perfect in the worst sense of that word.

What inspired the current rift between the TFG’s highest heads of state? This latest rift has been catapulted into the vortex of political turmoil when Prime Minister Ghedi gave the axe the TFG’s attorney general, Mr. Abdullahi Dahir for “illegally” ordering the arrest of the Supreme Court’s chairman Mr. Yusuf Ali Harun and one of his close judges. Attorney General Dahir, who has the full backing of President Yusuf, however, has declined to give up his job as the highest law enforcement in the country; instead, he alleged that the other two judges should face corruption charges. This latest political wrangle has disaster written all over it. There seems to be a constitutional calamity within the TFG in regards to good governance and constitutional transparency. But I also detect the “old” African despotic and corruption phenomenon is at play here.

According to reports the recent dispute between the TFG heads of state stems from oil deals that have gone sour, after PM Ghedi vetoed a lucrative, sweet oil deal that the Puntland state was secretly making with foreign Oil companies to explore and produce oil in their state. President Yusuf, who hails from that part of the country, was reportedly flabbergasted and was quick to condemn his PM, for stepping on the wrong toes. While Ghedi who considers President Yusuf a thorn in his side, brushed off the censure and derisively rejected any unilateral oil deals for Puntland without the full endorsement of his cabinet.

This depressing picture is brought into even sharper focus as there is another, deeper reason that the clash between the two premiers intensified, the Prime Minister has allegedly misappropriated donor aid money from Saudi Arabia in the amount of $35 million. President Yusuf was so enraged at his PM that he charged him with contempt and did not communicate with PM Ghedi until very recently, when finally things came to a head out fear of the government disintegrating. Of course, there is no way to confirm the authenticity of these latter charges against the PM, but they do paint the dismal picture of the inner workings of the TFG leadership and the credibility challenges that they face. On the other hand, President Yusuf is accused of contemptuously manipulating the fears and susceptibilities of his government by using clan politics as a way of building and systematizing a following among his clanship or kinfolks.

What should we make out of this bleak picture? Indeed, under the current stewardship of both President Yusuf and PM Ghedi, Somalia’s reconciliation and reconstruction process has fallen into a deep disrepair: everyday life has become beleaguered, general security has deteriorated, hyperinflation that threaten food security (linked to massive counterfeiting of the Somali shilling), crime and corruption have increased, much-needed donor aid funds have mysteriously flowed into hidden bank accounts, and officially sanctioned nepotism and favoritism have become widespread. The problem is not just relative failure, that is, the TFG leadership’s inability to resolve its internal “differences” as fast as possible so that they can concentrate on the paramount national crisis on the ground. Most shocking is the fact that both heads of the TFG leadership have fallen into the old African dictatorship trap of stealing every penny they receive from foreign donors and nepotism favoring their henchmen and relatives in government posts. In fact, this is now very relevant in regards to the latest 2007 corruption index report released by the Transparency Internationals that ranked Somalia as the most corrupt country in the world with a score of 1.4 out of 10. http://www.transparency.org/news_room/i ... 007_table/ This is a good indication of how little the TFG government has accomplished for the last three years and now miserably it has failed with its mandate.



The Way Forward

In an imperfect world, the TFG represents the best we could hope for as a viable government body. Unfortunately, the course of action that is currently being pursued by the TFG leadership in Mogadiscio seems determined in every way you look at it to undermine the long sought out reconciliation and reconstruction of our country. It seems that they are bent only on defeating the insurgency forces, instead of finding a common ground to reconcile their differences with the opposing forces, which will eventually benefit the very people and country they are determined to run. Though it might be true that we need to give the TFG government a chance to stand on its feet and institute its plan of action but it may also be true that they need to purge their circles of influence from the corrupted warlords and other opportunist foreign elements who may be thwarting their good wills to establish a concrete rule of law, impregnable to corruption and chaos.



In other words, the TFG needs to lead by example and govern the country by consensus, not by the muzzle of the gun. By now, it should be obvious to them the solution to our country’s conflict is not rooted in playing deftly clan politics, but in honest and peaceful discussion with the grass roots and all other willing civil society groups, including the ICU. We are inherently a clannish society who can only see things through the elusive prism of clan politics. But the Somali people have a choice to make, whether they desire to be used as scapegoats and consequently see our country being occupied by foreign forces or they wish to see things as they are and hold accountable their leaders for their failures to lead and to recognize their mistakes early before it would lead to catastrophic ends. In addition, it is a crucial time for all Somalis to see beyond the proxy wars between Ethiopia and Eritrea in our country, in order to advance and support only peaceful negotiations the various parties hurdling over power. This will eventually pressure among the fighting powers to reach a healthy consensus and bring forth much needed reconciliation, instead of going empty motions with these mock conferences.

It is equally unconscionable to allow the success of a comprehensive national reconciliation to depend on the caprices of the ICU’s Islamic fundamentalists, militating to install Sharia law in the country, in order to advance their other hidden political agenda – a police state. The first step for the ICU and their political allies, primarily the disgruntled parliamentarians of the TFG, the so called “The Free Parliament” who are currently hunkered down in Asmara, Eritrea, is to break the cycle of impunity for the intractable insurgencies in the capital and cease all acts of violence. They must sit down with the TFG leaders and work towards a peaceful resolution that will ultimately alleviate the fear of displacement from our long-suffering society. Then and only then can they discuss other relevant issues, including security, stability, personal safety, and the undertaking of the Islamic Sharia laws in regards to the judicial processes. Until then they are no different than the warlords they had driven away from the capital or, much worse, should be labeled as terrorists.

It’s my honest believe that there is a way out of this irrational political gridlock, and that it lies in the attempt to give realistic demonstration to the effectiveness of speaking truth to power, without fear of any consequences. In other words, the staunch supporters of the TFG need to realize that the motives of Ethiopia’s Meles Zenawi run much deeper than a desire to stabilize Somalia and realize a lasting peace. The mere presence of Ethiopian troops in our country renders Ethiopia an important ally of the U.S. In effect, this affords Meles’s government unfettered diplomatic support and much needed economic aid from the West. On the other hand, other dissidents who recently met in Asmara, Eritrea, need to understand that the true motives of President Isaias Afworki of Eritrea are as opportunistic and reckless in nature as those of his counterpart, Meles, in Ethiopia. Regardless of whether one chooses to support either of these two countries’ agendas in order to destabilize our country, ultimately it will be Somalia’s demise at the end of this mess. As such, we all need to see where things are headed and what we all can do to curtail the ongoing deadly violence in our country.

I believe reasonable people, including both pro-TFG and dissident alike, need to understand this initial insight, to comprehend what is at stake here and work towards peace. In view of this, it is strange that almost no one has made a serious attempt to explore the implications of such proxy wars in the Horn of Africa in regards to regional affairs. Anyone who has taken Conflict Resolution 101 understands that most conflict resolution paradigms dictate that conflicts can best be tackled at the earliest stages, before they come full circle, to the extent that large numbers of people are being killed. Unfortunately, our beloved capital city, Mogadiscio has become a hotbed for violence and destruction spawned by the callous insurgent fighters of the ICU waging battle against the TFG forces backed by the Ethiopian army. By virtually all accounts, the insurgents are atrocious: stage a hit-and-run attack on government and foreign troops, fire mortar rounds at schools and office buildings, markets and residential neighborhoods. The time is still ripe to put a stop to the deadly conflict between government forces and the insurgents, which has already caused a catastrophic death and destruction.

New conditions on the ground demand a new thinking paradigm that fosters peace and objectivity for all to overcome their past prejudices and hatred. It’s my great hope that we all should prevail over our negligible differences and think about the great suffering of our people both at home and in the Diaspora. Sadly, clan politics, despotism, dependency, and religious extremism have handicapped the Somali people for so long that they now represent what’s known as The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in Somalia. I believe I speak for the great majority of Somalis who categorically oppose the senseless bloodshed in Somalia and reject the divisive nature of these politicians and religious men who are vying to run our country for their personal greed and secret political agendas. Our unified reluctance to support neither conflicted party will bring the necessary negotiations without which the constructive work that builds peace cannot be undertaken. The alternative is only further catastrophic downfall of our society collectively.

The TFG leaders have only as much legitimacy as they are bestowed upon them by those whom they intend to govern – the Somali people. Their sole platform should be to alleviate the dismal shame of violence, anarchy, and human suffering in our country. Nevertheless, the behavior of the TFG leaders, and that of its supporters, is easier to match with that of its predecessor – the corrupted, authoritarian regime of Siyad Barre who mastered the “rule or ruin” philosophy. I am of the opinion that the TFG leadership suffers from the severe kleptocratic syndrome that plagues many African countries today. But you would assume that President Yusuf should have learned one or two things from his old adversary, Siyad Barre, who dismally hung on to power until he dragged the whole country with him. Enabling the TFG leadership to switch its current destructive course and fulfill its potential will not be easy, simply because it seems the premise of their initial creation was fraught with severe inadequacies and dishonesty in regards to the overwhelming participation of the warlords in the national reconciliation process, and not the least, the notorious 4.5 system that was concocted in the Mbgathi peace conference in Nairobi three years ago. This was the genesis of the current political calamity that we are witnessing within the TFG.



Despite the spiraling violence and chaos around the country, the average Somalis are demanding change and they cannot wait any longer. If the TFG wishes to maintain its credibility with the Somali people, they need to come clean and practice good governance, accountability and transparency in their government. Otherwise, the TFG risks being linked to or even labeled like many of the corrupt warlords that are predominant in their ranks. In effect, they will eventually take the same destructive path of those who came before them. At first, it might be essential to halt the vicious spiral of worsening violence in the capital, but it is also paramount that good governance and transparency dominate in every step that is taken towards nation building. That is, the highest pinnacles of the TFG leadership should themselves be involved in and contribute to the practice of good governance in order to create a viable nation state. If they however veer from the right path, it will lead them to catastrophic ends that will dwarf the current political turmoil in the country.

Finally, given the crucial role that the Horn of Africa plays in the continent, and in regards to terrorism and counterterrorism, the United States and other international donors should support long-term regional peace building initiatives in the region, instead of focusing on their short term security goals and taking such destructive sides with some of the opportunist leaders in the region who are bent on exploiting the volatile situation. In the end, building democratic institutions in the region will benefit both the region itself and the rest of the world, in general.


Heikal I. Kenneded

Washington, D.C.

[Password]

^ Your bias against HabarGidir undermines your comments about Abgaal. If Abgaals were, and plenty of them are, in opposition to the Xabashi rule, you would sing their insults and praise HabarGidir were they in cahoots collectively with the installed foreign managed gangs of warlrods and unpatiotic men.

Save the hollow tears for the clueless.

[Advocatar]

I dont know sxb....I dont think about them much.

[Alchemist]

Just like any other tribe they have their good and bad people... Their known for their generosity and neighborly ways.

[Fale]

They got the best Comedians..

Odey Cabdulle, Jeeyte, Muuse Suudi, Salaad Cali Jeelle, and others.

I also like their accent !

Minaay fatuuro fiiq tiraa, ninkii fadhaa ma fiyowba.

[ciyaal_warta]

muduloood are good pple one of best clans to live among them and by the way gheedi is a tigree he doesnt represent mudolood

mudulood waxa aka dhashay nin somali si fiican u ixtiraamaan al-shiekh shariif shiekh ahmed

[SummerRain]

Great Cooks.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

there is a big diferrent between mudulood before the civil war and the present mudulood

muduloodkii hore waxaa lagu yaqiinay dad shaqeesta oo reer ahlu diin iska ahaa ,laakiin dagaaladi kadib waxay kusoo baxeen bahalo aan caqli laheen.

taasina waxaa u sabab u ah markii ay isku dayeen in ay HABARGIDIR la tartamaan.

waxaan maqlay in ay ku ducaysteen in ilaahay iimaanka ka qaado si ay habargidir xaqooda uga soo dhacsadaan.
ilaahayna ducaadi wuu ka aqbalay.waana araknaa sida ay kusoo baxeen wakhti xadirkan.

[Luq_Ganane]

Actually Abgal are pretty down to earth people. With Abgal you have two types: The ones who managed to grow up in Xamar, travel overseas go to University etc. back in the Dawlad days. Wacaysle Abal especially were one of the backbones of the previous Dawlad, and the number two or three guy was Wacaysle Abgal (Kaalmoy, I have a picture of him in my house). Then you have the former Reer Badiye turned ruffians (post-1991). Abgal suffer from the same ailments as their other Hawiye brothers today in that for the last 17 years they lived in the zoo formerly known as Shabeelaha. Its going to take time for them to break off from the isbaaroyin, criminal and mooryan type behavior. Its going to take time. I have no doubt that once a real Gov't comes Abgal will become constructive forces in Somali society again. My family was invited to a martiqaad at an Abgal families house the other day, and they said that they made the wrong decision when they blindly supported the USC headed by Caydid (Allahu naxaristo). They were saying they didn't get anything from it. Who knows maybe they were just trying to please their guests.


Anyway welcome to the forum bro, as Abgal are the least represented qabil on Somalinet by far. This forum is teeming with Dhabayacos, Ilkayar, Iljeexs, Idoors, Ealys, Leysaans and even a Mehri but few Abgals, except for the hilarious Mr. Yalaxow and occassional cameos by donkey and demolition man whom I assume are the same person. My personal impression about Abgals is that there probably the funniest, coolest Somalis with the least cuqdad. In my area most of the Abgals I see are just interesting in singing at arooses, hitting up the pary circuit, enjoying themselves and just living life. By the way do you guys have any special dances taht you do? I saw these dances at an Abgal wedding, and then I saw Mohamed Dhere doing the same dance on Aljazeerah when they showed clips of his innaguration for the mayor of Xamar. . Basically its just a little shoulder shimmy to the beat of the drums.

[Luq_Ganane]

Adovo didn't you encounter Abgals in Xamar post civil war.

[DONKEYMAN]

Our generals are assasinated every day by the Iljeex. We need to revenge them.
Jen. Axmed Jilacow Caddow oo goor dhaweyn Muqdisho lagu dilay

Jimco, October 05, 2007(HOL): Waxaa daqiiqado ka hor lagu dilay Isgoyska Afarta Jardiino ee Magaalada Muqdisho Jen. Axmed Jilacow Caddow oo ka tirsanaa Saraakiisha Ciidamadii Soomaaliya.



Kooxo Bastoolado ku hubeysnaa ayaa la sheegay in ay ka dambeeyeen dilka Marxuumka, kuwaasi oo markii ay dilka geysteen kadib baxsaday, waxaana jira warar kale oo sheegaya in markii Jananka la dilayay uu dhaawac soo gaaray darawalkiisii iyo nin kale oo gaari la saarnaa.



Jananka oo dhaawac ahaan loogu qaaday Isbitaalka Keysaney ayaa halkaas ku geeriyooday, sida uu xaqiijiyay mid ka mid ah wiilashiisa oo lagu magacaabo Jabriil Axmed Jilacow.



Jananka ayaa dhawaan waxaa loo doortay guddoomiyaha Dallada Ururrada Bulshada Deegaanka Banaadir, iyadoo xafladdii lagu dooranayay oo ka dhacday guri ku yaala Degmada Yaaqshiid-na ay ka qeybgaleen mas’uuliyiin ka socotay Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya, kuwaasi oo uu horkacayay Ra’iisal Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geeddi.



Marxuum Jen.Axmed Jilacow Caddow oo la sheego in uu ka tirsanaa Booliska Caalamiga ah ee Interpol ayaa wuxuu ka mid ahaa Saraakiishii la soo shaqeysay Dowladdii hore ee mudada 21-ka sano ahayd ka talineysay Soomaaliya.



Si kastaba arrintu ha ahaatee, Dilka loo geystay Jananka ayaa wuxuu ku soo beegmayaa iyadoo maanta gudaha Suuqa Bakaaraha lagu dilay Shan ruux oo mid ka mid ah uu ahaa Xeer ilaaliye ka tirsanaa Maxkamadda Gobolka Banaadir, kuwaasi oo la sheegay in ay dilkooda ka dambeeyeen Kooxo Bastoolado ku hubeysnaa.