Why did the USC fail?

[James Dahl]

One question that has bothered me for some time is why the USC, the strongest faction emerging from the civil war, failed so utterly to stay together, and fragmented into so many pieces? It can be argued that this is due to the ego of two men, General Aidiid and Ali Mahdi, but if that were true then we would only have two USC factions today, one grouped behind the Abgaal and another behind the Habir Gidir. This isn't the case, every single sub-subclan of the Hiraab has carved their own turf out of central or southern Somalia.

While I am sure the myriad of Darod on this board will have a simplistic explanation for me with the word "mooryans" thrown in there, but initially this wasn't the case, the gangsterism grew out of the chaos over time, and central Somalia was no more chaotic than anywhere else in Somalia in the early 1990s. Elsewhere however, historical structures emerged. The Harti came together into Puntland, the Issaq and Gadabursi came together like they did in the days of Adal and created Somaliland.

While the south's lack of cohesion can be blamed on a lack of homogenity due to the dizzying array of tiny tribes, of varying lineages and ethnic groups throughout lower shabelle and Jubbaland, this is simply not the case in southern Mudug, Galgadud and middle Shabelle, where virtually everyone is Hiraab.

Why then, with the same conditions as in Somaliland and Puntland (homogenity, traditional state to build on, etc) did the Hiraab and the USC fail so utterly to create a state?

[The_Emperior5]

its focking becous hawiye dont use siyaasad


darood wont excist if hawiye took isaaq tallo

this was the plan caydiiid would be president
and abdurahmaan tuur would be raisal wasaare uu meel dhexe baa la isku imman laha

dee abgaal iyo habargedir baa meeshii markii danbe isku qabsaday and the funny part is they dident even work together iyaka is diilay and thats when somaliland said we are independent and we where out

if hawiye would listen to isaaq somalia would be alive today

[gurey25]

Its primarily due to the differances in Political culture in the clans

the Darood are more likely to be hierarchal and submit to authority
albiet thier own darood authority.

Isaaq are anarchistic and individualistic but are able to come to a consensus
despite thier anarchistic tendancies.

the Hawiye do not have the culture of consensus isaaq have or the ability to submit to authority like the darood, so they let the natural Somali tendancy for anarchy to get loose.

another differance is that the USC did not have enough time to coalace
and get together as a unit.
The SNM had more than 10 years and still had severe differances and oposing factions.

[The_Emperior5]

all the clans of the isaaq put there wapeons away only that garxajis and the arab those to clans kept there wapeons

but eventually cigaal made them

[Gedo_Boy]

if you're only united in the overthrow of a regime, then once that regime is overthrown you don't really have much else to agree on.


I think the SNM had a more ideological and intellectual basis/consensus and I think they actually had a political plan post-Govt. The USC just merged a manifesto-wing and a military wing.

Add that to the fact that the South is much more diverse......Caydiid pretty much convinced even people like Raxanweyn to kill Daroods and he had no cohesive plan for them. I have a relative who is bi-polar and believe he reminds me so much of Caydiid.

The USC just drugged people and gave them guns. I think this had a more disastrous effect on the Hawiye themselves b/c you can't turn off a person taken from the Baadiyo who is addicted to drugs.

[Somali_4Life]

Its the fault of Ali Mahdi(May Allah give him what he deserves!). Tallahi,he started the first fire of mistrust amongst the hawiye. Aideed was the right succesor/heir to the presidency.
Whats the matter with Ali Mahdi for not allowing Aideed to be president? This would avoid civilwar. The same with Muawiya r.a. Whats the matter with him for not allowing Ali r.a to be the khalifah even though 90% of the muslim ummah chosed Ali r.a?!

[Somaliweyn]

The unfortunate death of the leader of USC, was the prime cause of division which led to the Ali Mahdi vs Aideed saga.

Ismaciil Jimcaale passed away too early.....the other influential leader of the USC of Rome, Ali Wardhiigle, passed away too.


Illahay Ha u naxaristo, two great men.

[SummerRain]

Too many people wanted their own Isbaaro and sharing was out of the question.

[Somaliweyn]

GB,

Before uttering your deep feelings towards the people of Mogadishu, read history. And see whether reality comes near to your imagined reality.

[Cawar]

USC who???

[Somali_4Life]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]The unfortunate death of the leader of USC, was the prime cause of division which led to the Ali Mahdi vs Aideed saga.

Ismaciil Jimcaale passed away too early.....the other influential leader of the USC of Rome, Ali Wardhiigle, passed away too.


Illahay Ha u naxaristo, two great men.[/quote]

The real leader was Ismacil Jimcaale.When he passed away,Aideed was the heir/succesor. But Ali Mahdi wanted to usurp this from Aideed. I believe its the fault of Ali Mahdi.

[galia]

This could be simply be explained by Hawiya having callous warlord's that used qabil to destroy the somali nation and to make some profit outta the hawiya people.

Basically hawiya had selfish leaders that never gave a toss abt the people they claimed to represent, they had no somalimo in them nor did they have any plans for the somali people.

Basically Hawiya were led by stupid utter dumb warlords.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

it was fault of aydiid why USC desrtoyed somalia qaasatan xamar becouse aydiid started THE war between hawiye on hawiye 1991.

aydiid only thing he was intressted was become madaxweyne no matter what, or how people will die.

ALI mahdi after siyaad bare collapse 1991 hes was elected as somalis president in jabuuti. the country was not destroyed.every thing was perfeckt.

but thanks to madman aydiid he started the hawiye on hawiye.that idiot was stupid late aydiid all yaa raxma

[kambuli]

Empror, quote " darood wont excist if hawiye took isaaq tallo"

Thanks you said it all....

That was the problem...The Hawiyas trusted the Isaaqis too much..They listened and did everything that was dictated for them... Xasuuqa Daaroodka...aka Faqashta laaya...

The Hawiya should have have fought with the Regime not an old lady selling tomatoes....It was sad to see neighbors pointing their fingers to houses and saying " Faqash aa ku jirto meehaas"...Probably an old lady who even happened to be a grandmother of a Hawiye person or a mother in law of a Hawiye person...And guess what when things fall apart.. The Isaaqis said" walaahay maanta ayeynu u aarnay Hargeysa and they declared their hidden agenda aka Somaliland...

USC shouldn't have based their war on qabiil they should have based on Regime change...It was strange that the rule was '" You are safe as long as you are Hawiye, no matter how much power you had with the Regime even if you were a vice-president, no matter how you looted the nation"

That was what haunted the USC till today...Let us face the truth..Why are we beating around the bush? Like it or not...Qabiil would never be a nation...

They will fight each other for the same qabiil cause..Qabyaalad as I said before will never stop it is just like onion rings..

[Luq_Ganane]

I can't believe this Madackaris is still posing as a White man. I won't dignify your post with a response until you stop this silly act Iljeex kid.