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I wonder where in Islam does it state Sharia cannot be applied without Caliphate.

eternauta wrote:I wonder where in Islam does it state Sharia cannot be applied without Caliphate.

I dont know where in Islam it says that a Caliphate is the Pope either..or Muqtada/Osama being the Caliphate??

Listen to what the Akhwan leader in Egypt says about the application of Sharia in todays world..

No Islamic authority no sharia is applicable to the book..i.e cutting hands and legs of the thief when there is hunger..

Now you dont have to put the alternative as secularism..but there is something in between and even Islam allows some compromise in certain things and in certain circumtances.

Cawar wrote:I dont know where in Islam it says that a Caliphate is the Pope either..or Muqtada/Osama being the Caliphate??

Listen to what the Akhwan leader in Egypt says about the application of Sharia in todays world..

No Islamic authority no sharia is applicable to the book..i.e cutting hands and legs of the thief when there is hunger..

Now you dont have to put the alternative as secularism..but there is something in between and even Islam allows some compromise in certain things and in certain circumtances.

You're confusing Caliphate with Caliph. Clarify what you meant by "something in between." If cutting hands and legs aren't applicable without Islamic authority, why do we have to pray salat, fast Ramadan, etc?

You have to pray, fast and pay Zakah because its your duty to do so..as a muslim.

But I dont think I am confusing a calipahet and a caliph either..cos in today's world we dont have either of them.

PS. Something in between simply means..as the prophet said.. "Inna Khayral omuuri awsathuha".. you cant go down with being in the middle/centre of issues..
I.e Beware of the extremes and the extremists.

Half of the world's largest army is stationed in and around Muslim countries.

Shariah law will have to wait just a little bit longer.

How do you have sharia with no caliphate, no universal Islamic power ANYWHERE? There isn't even a Muslim country using sharia today.

Cawar wrote:You have to pray, fast and pay Zakah because its your duty to do so..as a muslim.

But why is praying, fasting and paying Zakah duty without Islamic Authority? Don't you need Islamic Authority in order to pray, fast and pay Zakah?

But I dont think I am confusing a calipahet and a caliph either..cos in today's world we dont have either of them.

Surely, you're confusing the two. A Caliphate isn't a person, therefore, cannot be compared to the Pope.

PS. Something in between simply means..as the prophet said.. "Inna Khayral omuuri awsathuha".. you cant go down with being in the middle/centre of issues..
I.e Beware of the extremes and the extremists.

Islam forbids drinking alcohol, gambling, committing zina/ma'siya, etc. What would be the middle/centre course of those examples that Islam forbade?

Arabman

I have yet to see you contributin anything positive towards any1..be them muslims or not.

All you do here is learn and practise the art of counter arguing to no avail...and this is getting really pathetic.

Look at your counter argument here..even a six yr old muslim can see your lame sarcastic comeback..

"But why is praying, fasting and paying Zakah duty without Islamic Authority? Don't you need Islamic Authority in order to pray, fast and pay Zakah?

Is this what a man with any common sense would utter??

Or you mistaken me by one of them dhoocilo whom you'd expect to answer this stupid Q??

Waryaa isku xixhoo and come back with something that makes sense..instead of not knowing where you stand in the issues..including your snitching and duufsasho of younger kids into your fake wahabism..which I presume you make some cheap money from it.

the shareeca is above all humans and so it should rule us.
the amir al mu'mineens job is to simply uphold the shareeca.

the problem is , how do we agree on the interpretation of the shareeca?

That is nonsense.
To rule by shariahlaw,the citizens of a country have to be majority muslims.

HutuKing01 wrote:That is nonsense.
To rule by shariahlaw,the citizens of a country have to be majority muslims.

True. The areas where Hamas (and similar Islamic movements) controls is ruled with Sharia law, but some individuals here claim Hamas is wrong in ruling with Sharia law because Islamic Authority (Caliphate) doesn't exist. Those individuals are very confused. On one hand, they reason what Allah ordered in salah, zakah, soonka, etc are duties Muslims must carry out when there's no Islamic Authority. On the other hand, they reason what Allah ordered in the punishment of those who violate the laws (i.e. drug dealers, rapists, thieves, murderers, illegal sex, apostasy, etc) are duties Muslims must carry out only when there's Islamic Authority.

lol eternauta is arabman?
war iska waran ninyahow.lol
arabman , cawar wo ka sa7sanyahay in one thing.
you're mixing between ala7kaam wal 3ebadat.
3ebadat such a salat and soom is personal.
you can aply if even you're the only muslim in the qoom.
balse ala7kam shar3iyah need justice system, al qothaat
mo3ayineen men qebel al7akim.
no one appoint himself as qaathi while most of time you can appoint your self as al7akim.lol
it's reality whatever you agree or not.lol
all you need is millitry supporters and you are set.lol

sharia can be applied men qibal al7akim
whatever call himself khalifa or just presedent or malik,amiir , sheikh, imam.
as prophet said kilokum raa3in wa mas'ol 3an ra3eyatihi
also the leader of the nation is responsible of his ra3eya as a father, mother, teacher or official.

regarding intreption of share'a even time of three first khalifata people disagreed and khalifa is there is 7asim the khilaaf.
that is what the leader of muslimiin's job
and he's responsible what happenes.
leader can step up and make changes that he sees fits to his society.
like a zawaj almot3ah
we believe prophet stop it
but abubakar time still was practised
omar stop it
the reason we say is maybe all the people didn't hear
or abubakar was busy for omoor al muslimiin that
more important.

People should look to their local culture and religion for inspiration on how to settle their matters and rule themselves. This has always been the case since time immemorial.

gurey25 wrote:the problem is , how do we agree on the interpretation of the shareeca?

Very Good question