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Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:33 am
by Sir-Luggoyo
Do Somalis interpret this word differently than others.
There is a thin line between bravery and savagery. Sometimes when I hear stories of gallantary that one bragging old man recounts about a certain cousin who killed 2 men, why? .... because he wanted to water his camels first......then you may ask, was there a water shortage? No, on the contrary, water was abundant. This is a common practice among all Somalis excluding the farming and fishing communities.
Would you commit murder, or assault someone for something you could do without? But just because it's "wrongly" in the hands of another man, do you have to sacrifice yourself or become a murderer?
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:42 am
by kambuli
Bravery is when you don't kill or humuliate someone when you have the power to do it, but have the restraining power of not doing it...Self control.
Bravery is when you can stand up for the good cause, even if you have to disagree with your family or clan...
Bravery is when you can settle problems without resorting to taking a a life.
Unfortunately in our culture now, the killers are called" Mujaahid" and I always say " Mujaahidow Xaal Qaado"

Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:56 am
by Warsan_Star_Muslimah
I'm starting to get afraid two topics, and both have the theme of 'murder' in it.

JK.
Bravery is that Mujahid in the battlefield, with his proud horse and sword.
With his fearless looks, and has no fear of what is to come.
It is that muslimah that comes to look after their wounds.
Who stands to fight bravely when the hypocrites run.
Wasalam
My two cents.
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:03 am
by Sir-Luggoyo
Kambuli,
That was an amazingly precise definition of bravery.............. in the sense of rational thinkers. Now, tell that to someone who is from the middle regions of Somalia and they will laugh at your "stupidity"
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:05 am
by Somaliweyn
Sir-Luggoyo wrote:Kambuli,
That was an amazingly precise definition of bravery.............. in the sense of rational thinkers. Now, tell that to someone who is from the middle regions of Somalia and they will laugh at your "stupidity"
Why middle regions per se?
Nomads are everywere, North, South, East, West
I love this exotic, harsh, barbaric image Gobolada Dhexe get.

Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:07 am
by Hyperactive
i noticed, somali qofka dadka ko had gudba, aflagadeya, haqa dadka onna they call him wa gheesi.lol
im like wa thalim, tuug ah.
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:18 am
by kambuli
Hyper,
Not only that, weliba way ka xishoodaan, qofka nacaladda firdhiya... Bal meel kale ha eegin, golahan eeg, qofka aad u caytama waa laga gaabsadaa, qofka xishooda, waa la cayrsadaa..
Luggoyo,
I will rather be stupid or naive than a killer..
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:26 am
by Hyperactive
kambuli wrote:Hyper,
Not only that, weliba way ka xishoodaan, qofka nacaladda firdhiya... Bal meel kale ha eegin, golahan eeg, qofka aad u caytama waa laga gaabsadaa, qofka xishooda, waa la cayrsadaa..
..
lol kambuli, prophet asw said: dadka waha ogu hun qofka sharkisa iyo aflagadadiso, muslimka oga gaabsadan. marka wah fi'an qofka oma aha.
marka aniguba qofki aflagadoda, wan ka ghabsani, kama hishoonayo, illen qof hishooda lagu hishoodaye!.lol
hadad la hadasho armad thanbi oon o kordisa ban is daha.lol
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:16 am
by eyes-only
I don't think a gun wielding bandit can ever consider his actions 'brave'. Bravery is mastering courage as well as mental, physical and emotional strength to do what you believe to be the right thing.
Somalis know what bravery is and no one thinks random pointless murders are acts of bravery.
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:25 am
by Anab
Sir Lug....

If u r asking, is it wrong to kill someone over water? I say, a BIG.YES. It is wrong to kill a life over anything. Period. Once murder is commited, savagery comes in. The only heroic permitted murder is a Jihaad, to fight and u kill only a Kufaar, that is a hero in my eyes. In fact, i will have plenty of mental orgasm over such a strong manly bearded muslim jihaadist hero. But in todays estimate, there is NO jihaad war. No one, puts you & your diin in danger, so i guess- the slim chance to a permitted murder is very slim.
Sir Lug walaal can u stop hanging around with these odeyaals in donut dunkins hang out? They glorify somalia more than it should be glorified, its not good for your mental health.

Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:11 am
by Sir-Luggoyo
Eyes-only,
Greetings to you, we missed your presence in this looney house, welcome back.
Anab wrote:
Sir Lug walaal can u stop hanging around with these odeyaals in donut dunkins hang out? They glorify somalia more than it should be glorify, its not good for your mental health.
Basra,
Horta I thank you for your concern over my sanity, I for sure know that these odeyaal are going to affect my mental stability if I contnue frequenting the Donut. However, darling, it's the closest to the homeland that anyone can get. The bits and pieces of history these odeyal throw around carelessly, have colossal value in my book and I cherish every morsel of it.
Remember the odey who masterminded the baby saga in the bush who strapped it on his back while doing his business with the mother?

He is one of my favorite and a regular. He always comes up with the weirdest and most rediculous stories ever told............. besides, we don't have anything written so why not drain orally what we can?
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:18 am
by sadeboi
when I hear stories of gallantary that one bragging old man recounts about a certain cousin who killed 2 men, why? .... because he wanted to water his camels first......then you may ask, was there a water shortage? No, on the contrary, water was abundant.
Did you actually hear a real story like this, did this scenario ever happen? You cannot make a point with a nonexistent example, it will cause one not to look at things rationally. Goballada dhexe are not abundant as regions, and because of that men had to fight for resources, this is more thoughtful reasoning then to simply imply they love to kill! Bravery even in a worldly view is romanticized with defending and fighting for your own in war.
Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29 am
by Anab
Sir Lug@lol
U r insane.
Intellectually, i do realize the benefits u get from sitting around these odeyaals, i mean, knowing how traditionalist u r, these oral distortion of history is something u will devour upon, but i am asking for moderations here. LOL@the odeey strapping the baby on his back, and doing the deed, walaal do u know i had to seek therapy from a fellow therapist colegue to get over that image in my head?

That image was almost--catastrophic in the sensitivity of my innocense. It spoke of intense horniness at all cost. And the poor baby amidst all that rigorous rhythms-- walaahi--still survved? child abuse was not invented those days ma ha?

And the worst part of this image, the mother allowin all this to happen, is another dimension of the perversion. It shows how the old days somali women were very submissive to their husbands. I find it hard today, to picture , knowing how strong and inhibited somali women are today, i find it hard to picture such an allowance of submission from any somali mother. Waryaa r u sure -this odeey is not fantasizing it? That would even worst if he did, to fantasize is to show someone is more sinister than actually doin it' in the fluke heat of the moment.

Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29 am
by peace-
kambuli wrote:Bravery is when you don't kill or humuliate someone when you have the power to do it, but have the restraining power of not doing it...Self control.
Bravery is when you can stand up for the good cause, even if you have to disagree with your family or clan...
Bravery is when you can settle problems without resorting to taking a a life.
Unfortunately in our culture now, the killers are called" Mujaahid" and I always say " Mujaahidow Xaal Qaado"


Re: Define bravery
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:47 am
by peace-
Sir-Luggoyo wrote:Do Somalis interpret this word differently than others.
There is a thin line between bravery and savagery. Sometimes when I hear stories of gallantary that one bragging old man recounts about a certain cousin who killed 2 men, why? .... because he wanted to water his camels first......then you may ask, was there a water shortage? No, on the contrary, water was abundant. This is a common practice among all Somalis excluding the farming and fishing communities.
Would you commit murder, or assault someone for something you could do without? But just because it's "wrongly" in the hands of another man, do you have to sacrifice yourself or become a murderer?
fu-ck bravery i would rather be a coward, because cowards live to tell the stories of the brave men who
DIED