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Mogadishu being the capital of Somalia and much of the south will not benefit from a so called Federal system in Somalia, the main interest if a government comes in Somalia it needs to work and needs centralize the government , in Mogadishu. A strong government in Mogadishu can solve the problems, not different entity’s such as puntland galmudug or the so called jubbaland. now since the tfg was established in 2004 they never showed the Somali people how the federal structure of a government of Somalia would look like , not even a single plan was brought on the table.

Most of the south is self sustainable, because of the great agricultural land; most of the south is very productive unlike other parts of the country that have good governance.
Somalia from the begin 1960 was never a federal country It used to have national unity government and its parliament was in Mogadishu it didn’t had 2 or several parliaments across the country. Which is ridicules to have a federal constitution while Somalis have the same language color culture religion

A country of 12 provinces should work on its national unity not on division.
Somalia is already divided in to smaller clan fiefdoms a national unity government must build bridges between the people so, it’s not in the interest of the people of Mogadishu a federal state

i agree - puntland must not separate - the last remaining province of the 12 , Bay , Bakool , Gedo , Jubbada Hoose , Jubbada Dheexe , Shaabele Hoose , Shaabele Dheexe, Benadiir , Mudug , Hiraan , Bari , Nugaal

The tng had a better offer to build bridges but there where warlords in Mogadishu . If sh sharif and cumar abdirashid where in power in 2000, A national unity government would worked in Somalia.
Lets say if this federal idea would be installed in Somalia parts of northern Somalia is build and got stable infrastructure while the south is in ruin right , and a new government will come in power in 2011, and he will swift all the power from Mogadishu to garowe and build north somalia with the international money that is given to the so called tfg from the international community , there will be a big gap between north Somalia and Mogadishu and more division, which wont bring the people of somalia together. So a national unity government of sh sharif is a good begin in somalia.

khalid, federalism cannot work in Somalia. There isn't a model African/Muslim country you can point to and say federalism works there. Somalia has seen democracy, dictatorship, Marxism, communism, socialism and anarchy, and all have failed Somalis. Only an Islamic state that unites all Somalis (including the breakaway regions of S-Land & P-Land) can successfully work for Somalis.

Somalia would sound perfect with 15 regions. Let us have Bari, Nugaal & Mudug, you SNM/USC thugs can have each other.

khalid ali wrote:The tng had a better offer to build bridges but there where warlords in Mogadishu . If sh sharif and cumar abdirashid where in power in 2000, A national unity government would worked in Somalia.
Lets say if this federal idea would be installed in Somalia parts of northern Somalia is build and got stable infrastructure while the south is in ruin right , and a new government will come in power in 2011, and he will swift all the power from Mogadishu to garowe and build north somalia with the international money that is given to the so called tfg from the international community , there will be a big gap between north Somalia and Mogadishu and more division, which wont bring the people of somalia together. So a national unity government of sh sharif is a good begin in somalia.

the problem is this sheikh shariif is not willing to do anything to bring puntland and the south together or any kind of unity government - heck this guy cant even f-king make speeches - like a president should do

No its not sh sharif fault sh sharif was given to Somalia ,and they told him to clean the mess cabdilahi yusuf left the biggest mess in xammer he was the one who divided the Maxakiim he was the one who worked with the Mogadishu warlords. He was the one that brought Ethiopians in, remember sh sharif cleaned the mogadisho warlords out of Mogadishu. Abdilahi yusuf brought them back. So indirectly we can say because of the division of the maxakim alshabab was created and who is responsible, cabdilahi yusuf and they expect sh sharif to clean the mess.

Federalism can work in Somalia but the problem is, Somalis do not have the correct conception of federalism.

They want their clan states to monopolize resources and commerces inside that state, there is no benefit of any higher national cause with that i.e. no sharing and thats mostly because of the bullshid that happened nearly 2 decades ago.

It'd be like the USA during the Articles of Confederation

FAH1223 wrote:Federalism can work in Somalia but the problem is, Somalis do not have the correct conception of federalism.

They want their clan states to monopolize resources and commerces inside that state, there is no benefit of any higher national cause with that i.e. no sharing and thats mostly because of the bullshid that happened nearly 2 decades ago.

It'd be like the USA during the Articles of Confederation

We want our affairs to be separate from the rest of the Somalis, while simultaneously rule the rest of the Somalis.

What's wrong with a clan that knows how to play the game well?

Cinque Mtume wrote:

We want our affairs to be separate from the rest of the Somalis, while simultaneously rule the rest of the Somalis.

What's wrong with a clan that knows how to play the game well?

Thats not federalism. And there is no national agenda there, its just "my clan gets rich, while we rule the rest of the country"

People with qualifications need to rule Somali, and qualifications do not include what they were born into.

FAH1223 wrote:
Thats not federalism. And there is no national agenda there, its just "my clan gets rich, while we rule the rest of the country"

That's what I'm talking about nigga, that's what we love about it...HIGH FIVE!!!!

I'll take a turn of direction and agree with FAH1223.

Federalism works in a country split by regional political/social interests, not clan or ethnic interests. Just compare the US or Germany to Ethiopia - see the difference.

I'm sure though, Somalia as fucked up as it is, can't get any worse whether we apply federalism or villagism. Somalia is in no condition to function let alone pick a system of governance.

To be honest, even meriting a Sheikh Hotel topic with a reply is a waste of time, so lets wait a few months (or possibly years, maybe 20-30) for something to happen so nationwide decisions will actually have real effect.

Cinque Mtume wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:
Thats not federalism. And there is no national agenda there, its just "my clan gets rich, while we rule the rest of the country"

That's what I'm talking about nigga, that's what we love about it...HIGH FIVE!!!!

eyl mafia nicca,

paidmonk wrote:I'll take a turn of direction and agree with FAH1223.

Federalism works in a country split by regional political/social interests, not clan or ethnic interests. Just compare the US or Germany to Ethiopia - see the difference.

I'm sure though, Somalia as fucked up as it is, can't get any worse whether we apply federalism or villagism. Somalia is in no condition to function let alone pick a system of governance.

To be honest, even meriting a Sheikh Hotel topic with a reply is a waste of time, so lets wait a few months (or possibly years, maybe 20-30) for something to happen so nationwide decisions will actually have real effect.

TFG is a f@ggotry system, and you can't parachute a government to Mogadishu.

But its too late now, the teenagers are gonna take shid over there

Cinque Mtume wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:Federalism can work in Somalia but the problem is, Somalis do not have the correct conception of federalism.

They want their clan states to monopolize resources and commerces inside that state, there is no benefit of any higher national cause with that i.e. no sharing and thats mostly because of the bullshid that happened nearly 2 decades ago.

It'd be like the USA during the Articles of Confederation

We want our affairs to be separate from the rest of the Somalis, while simultaneously rule the rest of the Somalis.

What's wrong with a clan that knows how to play the game well?

Very selfish


Thats why federal doesent work